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Post by Admin on May 20, 2011 15:07:24 GMT -5
Location:
Large rooftop of a 2 story building in Hells Kitchen, New York, NY. 6pm, raining. Unpopulated.
Rules:
-Begin 20 feet apart.
-Both have standard gear.
-Moon Knight has his carbonadium armor and is pre-Bendis craziness.
-Morals apply.
-Standard elimination rules apply.
-Remember, DEBATE! Don't just say "name wins." Show some knowledge and give valid reasons!
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Post by Admin on May 20, 2011 15:07:53 GMT -5
I was hoping a few here already know Shrike, but I'll make scans and what not, too.
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Killshot Caine
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Post by Killshot Caine on May 20, 2011 15:13:30 GMT -5
Whose Shrike are we talking about..Marvel's or DC's?
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Post by Admin on May 20, 2011 15:16:05 GMT -5
DC, the Grayson villain.
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Killshot Caine
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Post by Killshot Caine on May 20, 2011 15:21:55 GMT -5
What is regular equipment for Moon Knight now?
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Post by Admin on May 20, 2011 15:23:49 GMT -5
I'd say:
-Carbonadium armor
-Truncheons (for melee/throwing, or can extend into a bo-staff/nunchaku)
-Crescent daggers
There's plenty of other weapons he's used, but I'd consider that the norm.
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Killshot Caine
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Post by Killshot Caine on May 20, 2011 15:31:36 GMT -5
I really don't know who to say is the winner.This could definitely go either way.Shrike is very skilled but Marc, I think evens it out with his equipment because he's a better weapons master than he is h2h combatant.
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Post by Admin on May 20, 2011 15:40:24 GMT -5
Agreed, and that's exactly why I made it  |
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Post by Admin on May 20, 2011 17:56:12 GMT -5
His victory over Drake was absolutely brutal. I'll make scans.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on May 20, 2011 18:11:58 GMT -5
Honestly, I'd give a small majority to MK.
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Post by Admin on May 20, 2011 18:22:25 GMT -5
I'm working on creating scans. It's taking some time, but hopefully it will give this debate quite a bit of life.
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Post by Admin on May 20, 2011 23:51:52 GMT -5
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Post by Admin on May 21, 2011 2:25:48 GMT -5
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Post by Dane on May 21, 2011 2:29:51 GMT -5
Tim Drake got served but to be fair he's just a kid there and fighting skills were a real low point for him as Robin. I expect current Red Robin would fair better against Shrike but then again even at his highest, Tim Drake isn't the best h2h fighter in DC by any stretch.
The question for me is, how much better is Dick Grayson over Moon Knight? Most of Shrike's appearances I've seen have been against Nightwing and he has never even held his own against Grayson.
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Post by Admin on May 21, 2011 2:34:01 GMT -5
He only does well in one fight with Grayson, the other is a total stomp. Grayson is clearly superior, but I think Shrike is deserving of a high 5 (where-as we have Grayson in the mid or high 6). I'm working with limited feats here, so I'm basically going to show everything that isn't flat out jobbing (for example, the first fight with Batgirl is pointless to show. She's obviously superior).
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Post by Admin on May 21, 2011 2:34:53 GMT -5
As for Moon Knight, I believe we have him at a mid 5. I can see him as a mid-high 5, tbh. I think Shrike's style is more impressive, but Moon Knight is bringing superior tech (armor, variety of weapons) to the table.
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Post by Admin on May 21, 2011 2:35:53 GMT -5
Well, I suppose he technically "defeats" Grayson once, but that's via prep and only trapping him in a net, lol. His rogue gallery is lackluster to say the least.
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Post by Dane on May 21, 2011 2:48:38 GMT -5
Grayson's stories are always much more about him than his enemies. Nightwing's main series is really about him breaking out from being Batman's sidekick and a Teen Titan. It's about him being his own man. The point of the series is naturally completely undermined when they had him take up the cowl and become Batman himself and now just doesn't make any sense now that Bruce is back as Batman.
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Post by Admin on May 21, 2011 2:49:20 GMT -5
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Post by Admin on May 21, 2011 2:50:49 GMT -5
Grayson's stories are always much more about him than his enemies. Nightwing's main series is really about him breaking out from being Batman's sidekick and a Teen Titan. It's about him being his own man. The point of the series is naturally completely undermined when they had him take up the cowl and become Batman himself and now just doesn't make any sense now that Bruce is back as Batman. Handling SOME degree of interesting competition certainly wouldn't hinder the title, though. I actually enjoyed his moments with Amagdalya (or whatever). It was somewhat touching when his apartment is destroyed and his friends are killed, and Grayson basically has to hit him with the reality of the situation to have him stop and essentially break down emotionally. |
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