yaujtapool
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Post by yaujtapool on Apr 28, 2011 6:37:11 GMT -5
These two immensely powerful magical beings battle it out here, they start off from opposite ends of the image and all the space shown in the image is available to them.  Battle is to the Death, if one of them cannot be killed than its K.O. This is the Johnny Blaze version of Ghost rider with the Spirit of Vengeance in control. Most recent version of Etrigan. No BFR. Both have their usual equipment (Which means GR has his bike). Ghost Rider www.comicvine.com/ghost-rider/29-4268/ VS Etrigan www.comicvine.com/etrigan-the-demon/29-7367/ |
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Apr 28, 2011 14:33:55 GMT -5
Ghost Rider.
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Killshot Caine
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Post by Killshot Caine on Apr 28, 2011 18:22:40 GMT -5
I want to say GR because i've actually read his comics but I don't know anything about Etrigan at all.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Apr 29, 2011 12:21:15 GMT -5
I want to say GR because i've actually read his comics but I don't know anything about Etrigan at all. Etrigan completely trounces Ghost Rider physically, he's also comparable in the mystical department. However, he has nothing to make him immune to the Penance stare. Hence GR wins. |
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yaujtapool
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Post by yaujtapool on Sept 10, 2011 5:58:00 GMT -5
I dont believe this thread has properly run its course yet .
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whacknasty
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Post by whacknasty on Sept 15, 2011 10:08:32 GMT -5
Penance stare only works if the target feels guilt or remorse, right? If so, I don't know if I've ever seen Etrigan show repent or guilt for whatever he does...but my readings of him are very few...lol.
Also a question...since Etrigan knows the mystic arts/magic, are his blows automatically charged with mystical energy, making them actually able to harm GR?
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Post by Killshot Caine on Sept 15, 2011 12:51:59 GMT -5
I want to say GR because i've actually read his comics but I don't know anything about Etrigan at all. Etrigan completely trounces Ghost Rider physically, he's also comparable in the mystical department. However, he has nothing to make him immune to the Penance stare. Hence GR wins. I think people think that Ghost Rider isn't very strong because he doesn't have alot of strength feats but i've seen him effortlessly hurt class 100's. |
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yaujtapool
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Post by yaujtapool on Sept 15, 2011 12:54:05 GMT -5
Etrigan completely trounces Ghost Rider physically, he's also comparable in the mystical department. However, he has nothing to make him immune to the Penance stare. Hence GR wins. I think people think that Ghost Rider isn't very strong because he doesn't have alot of strength feats but i've seen him effortlessly hurt class 100's. His WWH fight ? |
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Post by Killshot Caine on Sept 15, 2011 12:57:09 GMT -5
I think people think that Ghost Rider isn't very strong because he doesn't have alot of strength feats but i've seen him effortlessly hurt class 100's. His WWH fight ? There are more instances than that but that's a good place to start considering that was him taking it easy on Hulk. |
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yaujtapool
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Post by yaujtapool on Sept 15, 2011 13:08:25 GMT -5
There are more instances than that but that's a good place to start considering that was him taking it easy on Hulk. yeah i would reckon one of his most impressive h2h fights |
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Sept 15, 2011 13:13:55 GMT -5
Penance stare only works if the target feels guilt or remorse, right? If so, I don't know if I've ever seen Etrigan show repent or guilt for whatever he does...but my readings of him are very few...lol. I don't think so. It is based on the suffering the victims of the target have endured, transmitting it to the target instead. It shouldn't have anything to do with guilt. Is GR harmed by magical attacks? Wasn't it that the only thing that could harm him was hellfire? (Granted, Etrigan can do Hellfire, so that may be a moot point) |
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Post by Morpheus on Sept 15, 2011 13:15:31 GMT -5
Holy weapons, not hellfire. He spits hellfire himself.
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Post by yaujtapool on Sept 15, 2011 13:15:46 GMT -5
Penance stare only works if the target feels guilt or remorse, right? If so, I don't know if I've ever seen Etrigan show repent or guilt for whatever he does...but my readings of him are very few...lol. I don't think so. It is based on the suffering the victims of the target have endured, transmitting it to the target instead. It shouldn't have anything to do with guilt. Is GR harmed by magical attacks? Wasn't it that the only thing that could harm him was hellfire? (Granted, Etrigan can do Hellfire, so that may be a moot point) He was hurt by weapons from heaven, dont know if that counts as magic . |
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Sept 15, 2011 13:17:33 GMT -5
Holy weapons, not hellfire. He spits hellfire himself. Oh, my mistake. That's certainly not on the table then... |
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Sept 15, 2011 13:27:35 GMT -5
I think people think that Ghost Rider isn't very strong because he doesn't have alot of strength feats but i've seen him effortlessly hurt class 100's. I never said Ghost Rider isn't super-strong. I'm pointing out Etrigan is much more powerful physically, he's almost superman class. he can fist fight him physically. GR ain't that powerful. Etrigan has a vast suit of potent mystical abilities ranging from hellfire conjuring, ability to control demonic creatures and influences, incorporealness, flight etc. Etrigan is powerful second circle demon nobility. However the penance stare would affect him since his host, feels immense remorse and he can feel the pain of his sins and of his victims. It's one of the many ways Spectre and others and lain him flat. |
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Sept 15, 2011 13:37:12 GMT -5
Superman is weak against magic and Etrigan is pretty magical. Using them is not the best way to gauge Etrigan's physical strength.
And to be frank, Etrigan's strength varies. In Reign in Hell he had a hard time dealing with Blue freaking Devil (though he had been upgraded to a greater demon rank at the time, IIRC), and made it pretty clear he had no bloody chance against Lobo. That's not someone who can take Superman on a good day.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Sept 15, 2011 13:43:41 GMT -5
Superman is weak against magic and Etrigan is pretty magical. Using them is not the best way to gauge Etrigan's physical strength. It is when Etrigan can wrestle him and stop him in his tracks with pure strength. And to be frank, Etrigan's strength varies. In Reign in Hell he had a hard time dealing with Blue freaking Devil (though he had been upgraded to a greater demon rank at the time, IIRC)italicized for emphasis on why your argument isn't good. Self-explanatory. and made it pretty clear he had no bloody chance against Lobo. That's not someone who can take Superman on a good day. Lobo's superiority at the time against Etrigan is not even mostly predicated on physical superiority. |
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Sept 15, 2011 14:30:19 GMT -5
It is when Etrigan can wrestle him and stop him in his tracks with pure strength. No, it's not. Blue Devil is a very minor demon. Being bumped up a rank doesn't make him able to take Superman either. Then what? |
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Post by Morpheus on Sept 15, 2011 14:36:24 GMT -5
The Blue freaking Devil fight may had been Keith freaking Giffen writing out of his ass, if I may say so. I've never seen anything before, or after that would suggest that the bump in rank should make him a match for Etrigan, whom I've seen keeping up with powerhouses on multiple occasions.
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Sept 15, 2011 14:43:34 GMT -5
The Blue freaking Devil fight may had been Keith freaking Giffen writing out of his ass, if I may say so. Heresy. ;D I, on other other hand seem to recall him being taken out by a fire extinguishing arrow.  And I'm pretty sure that's not the only time he's had trouble handling low level either. |
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