yaujtapool
Team Buster Ledger
There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the latter ignorance
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Post by yaujtapool on Oct 23, 2011 10:49:25 GMT -5
Cant believe this hasnt been done.... -Both armed with normal equipment -Most normal versions of each -Won through K.O, Death, Incapacitation -Normal morals apply. -No knowledge on each other -Environment is destructable -Batman - A -Captain America - B Takes place here   |
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Post by Supreme Marvel on Oct 23, 2011 10:59:45 GMT -5
Possible a drawn out battle which would result in Captain America winning.
Unless Batman has a gadget that could help him.
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Post by Power NeXus on Oct 23, 2011 12:05:22 GMT -5
I've never been able to really call this one, but I always vote for Cap anyway just because I'm biased toward Marvel.
Anyway, I'd say Cap's small physical advantage might be enough to overcome Bats' small skill advantage.
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Post by xdmempstrikesback on Oct 23, 2011 12:34:37 GMT -5
Lol. Me too. I'm totally biased toward Cap. Since I'm kid, I'm a Cap Fanboy. Whereas I like bad characters like Deathstroke, Sinestro or Prometheus...  ...I'm a crazy guy. Thanks to Comics Ledger...I'm totally fan of this picture (I have never seen it).  For the debate I think that Cap has the durability to overcome Batman (SSS) |
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Post by Lord Barbatos on Oct 23, 2011 13:02:18 GMT -5
It has been done here.
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Post by Supreme Marvel on Oct 23, 2011 13:14:05 GMT -5
Not as a OAFA battle.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Oct 23, 2011 13:19:10 GMT -5
Batman wins. Smarter, more skilled, broader options with his gear. No actual meaningful physical advantage with them. Bruce Wayne would emerge on top.
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susanoo
Jobber Ledger
Don't hate me because I'm awesome
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Post by susanoo on Oct 23, 2011 14:03:12 GMT -5
In this set up, Batman wins.
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Post by Power NeXus on Oct 23, 2011 20:27:05 GMT -5
In this set up, Batman wins. How, in your opinion, does the setup effect the outcome? From what I can see, the setup does not give an advantage to either one of them. |
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spidey_17
The Unstoppable Ledgernaut
With Great Power Comes Great.... suffering?
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Post by spidey_17 on Oct 23, 2011 20:33:24 GMT -5
In this set up, Batman wins. How, in your opinion, does the setup effect the outcome? From what I can see, the setup does not give an advantage to either one of them. I'm pretty sure that he means that the long distance between them and the objects around, could let Bruce use stealth to sneak up on Steve.  |
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Post by Admin on Oct 23, 2011 21:16:41 GMT -5
Remember that time Slade beatdown Wayne not because he was more skilled, but had the physical edge of being enhanced? Sure, they have different methods of combat (Slade/Steve), but in terms of unarmed level of effectiveness, I can't imagine Steve is too far behind.
Yeah, just saying.
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Post by Admin on Oct 23, 2011 21:20:08 GMT -5
Translation: I think it's an ugly double standard.
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Post by ckal on Oct 23, 2011 21:27:48 GMT -5
Bruce use stealth to sneak up on Steve. I love how people who debate for Batman think this is the only thing they need to say which results in an auto win for Bruce, and they go on thinking they are good debaters. |
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Post by Admin on Oct 23, 2011 21:29:14 GMT -5
Stealth can definitely play a role in this location, but in character I strongly disagree with that being the absolute answer to justify Bruce getting a majority. Can it warrant an immediate edge in a few matches? Certainly, but then that's also ignoring Cap's own reflexes. It's not like Batman getting the slight jump on him would = auto-win, lol
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Post by ckal on Oct 23, 2011 21:32:04 GMT -5
Even if Batman were to sneak up on Cap and get 3 good shots in before Cap even did anything, that still wouldn't mean Batman wins.
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spidey_17
The Unstoppable Ledgernaut
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Post by spidey_17 on Oct 23, 2011 21:47:08 GMT -5
Bruce use stealth to sneak up on Steve. I love how people who debate for Batman think this is the only thing they need to say which results in an auto win for Bruce, and they go on thinking they are good debaters. Well, i did not even debate for Bruce. I was just explaining to Nexus what i believed Susanoo was trying to say by mentioning the set up. |
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Post by Power NeXus on Oct 23, 2011 22:02:10 GMT -5
Remember that time Slade beatdown Wayne not because he was more skilled, but had the physical edge of being enhanced? Sure, they have different methods of combat (Slade/Steve), but in terms of unarmed level of effectiveness, I can't imagine Steve is too far behind. Yeah, just saying. Yes, but I don't think Cap has physical stats on the same level as Deathstroke. Cap is peak human or very slightly above, but Deathstroke is legitimately superhuman across the board, and he can think faster and more efficiently than normal people. |
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Post by Admin on Oct 23, 2011 22:03:50 GMT -5
Last I knew, Deathstroke was enhanced (Morph told me 'strength of ten men'), as was Cap (I believe Civil War-era or shortly after is when they confirmed he's enhanced, not peak). Slade is obviously smarter, but I don't see how that has any role when I'm talking about a direct slugfest.
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Post by Power NeXus on Oct 23, 2011 22:24:59 GMT -5
Last I knew, Deathstroke was enhanced (Morph told me 'strength of ten men'), as was Cap (I believe Civil War-era or shortly after is when they confirmed he's enhanced, not peak). Slade is obviously smarter, but I don't see how that has any role when I'm talking about a direct slugfest. I don't see how it wouldn't help in hand-to-hand. Fights for people at their skill level is almost like chess. You have to be able to out think and out manuver the other guy to win. It would be easy to stay ten steps ahead of your opponent when you can think nine times faster than he can. |
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Post by Admin on Oct 23, 2011 22:27:40 GMT -5
That's entirely going off on a tangent from my original point.
And Cap ISN'T one of the top tactical minds Marvel has to offer? Perhaps if he was sporting average intellect or was in idiot this would be valid, but he's not. He's not as smart as Slade, but he's more than competent in this regard (I shouldn't really need to prove he's tactical in unarmed combat) and my dispute stands. His physicals---speed & strength---appear on par with Slade, and I think it's a double standard we can accept Slade stomps him in unarmed combat, but it's a heated-dispute that Cap takes a small majority in unarmed combat. Do Cap and Slade operate in different ways? Yes, but I've always viewed a big reason Slade can take Wayne unarmed are his physicals on top of his skill. The same should hold true for Cap, and I can't comprehend why so many people don't make that same connection.
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...I'm a crazy guy.
