Painkiller
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Post by Painkiller on Dec 30, 2010 6:54:35 GMT -5
Fight takes place: A Large Cage (made of Adamantium) with a solid concrete floor.
Frank's Equipment: Crowbar, Combat Knife, Piano Wire (45CM long).
Fisk's Equipment: Brass Knuckles
Rules:
-Spectators will be present (lots of them)
-Morals are off (what morals?)
-Win via Kill
-Both are wearing normal clothing, no body armor ect.
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spidey_17
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Post by spidey_17 on Dec 30, 2010 7:46:22 GMT -5
I would vote for Frank in this one due to his weapons.If it was an h2h fight i'm not sure. Fisk has beaten extremely skilled fighters in the past but i don't know if any of these fights were valid examples.
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Post by Power NeXus on Dec 30, 2010 11:32:26 GMT -5
I'm really not sure, but I'm kinda leaning towards Fisk. The guy is just a freaking beast. He tanks hits from Spider-Man all the time (when Spidey is holding back at least). I might have to see more of his current feats to really have a solid opinion here though.
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spidey_17
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Post by spidey_17 on Dec 30, 2010 11:51:03 GMT -5
I don't really see how Fisk can withstand a tag from a knife...
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Post by djSWIZZLE on Dec 30, 2010 11:53:40 GMT -5
I don't really see how Fisk can withstand a tag from a knife... =] ...and if he does, then I'm sure the crowbar will do the job. |
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Post by spidey_17 on Dec 30, 2010 11:54:31 GMT -5
True.
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Post by Admin on Dec 30, 2010 12:57:39 GMT -5
I don't really see how Fisk can withstand a tag from a knife... =] Fisk has defeated Punisher when he was armed with two knives before. |
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Dec 30, 2010 13:14:42 GMT -5
Punisher should win with no PIS.
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Post by Killshot Caine on Dec 30, 2010 13:17:10 GMT -5
Believe it or not Fisk outclasses Frank in just about everything.He's going to need more than a knife.I've seen Kingpin get shot several times with a handgun in the chest on more than one occasion and he was still fighting.One time I think he had a smile on his face.Frank will have to really dominate him.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Dec 30, 2010 13:19:24 GMT -5
Believe it or not Fisk outclasses Frank in just about everything.He's going to need more than a knife.I've seen Kingpin get shot several times with a handgun in the chest on more than one occasion and he was still fighting.One time I think he had a smile on his face.Frank will have to really dominate him. Since he has no powers whatsoever a lot of these are PIS. |
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Post by Morpheus on Dec 30, 2010 13:22:09 GMT -5
Cassandra Cain has no superhuman attributes whatsoever either, and I've seen her outrunning bullets. Not dodging - outrunning the damn thing.
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Post by Killshot Caine on Dec 30, 2010 13:23:51 GMT -5
Believe it or not Fisk outclasses Frank in just about everything.He's going to need more than a knife.I've seen Kingpin get shot several times with a handgun in the chest on more than one occasion and he was still fighting.One time I think he had a smile on his face.Frank will have to really dominate him. Since he has no powers whatsoever a lot of these are PIS. Can't be PIS EVERYTIME.If it happened once..maybe.The Kingpin has ridiculous durability.He always has.Knives aren't going to do anything unless Frank carves his eyes out or re-enacts what Moon Knight did to Bushman.Fisk is faster than Frank and he's stronger too.Captain America had trouble with him hand to hand. |
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Dec 30, 2010 13:24:29 GMT -5
Cassandra Cain has no superhuman attributes whatsoever either, and I've seen her outrunning bullets. Not dodging - outrunning the damn thing. Well true enough... but she's been listed by checkmate and Amanda Waller as actually being a low-level metahuman on more then one occasion. She at least gets away with it by the argument of having done nothing but learning martial arts, how to kill, and how not to die since she was born and having a physique that kind of supports it. Kingpin, huge bulky and fat dude (even if super-muscular) |
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Post by Admin on Dec 30, 2010 13:25:55 GMT -5
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Post by Killshot Caine on Dec 30, 2010 13:26:21 GMT -5
Cassandra Cain has no superhuman attributes whatsoever either, and I've seen her outrunning bullets. Not dodging - outrunning the damn thing. Well true enough... but she's been listed by checkmate and Amanda Waller as actually being a low-level metahuman on more then one occasion. She at least gets away with it by the argument of having done nothing but learning martial arts, how to kill, and how not to die since she was born and having a physique that kind of supports it. Kingpin, huge bulky and fat dude (even if super-muscular) The Kingpin isn't just some fat dude.He's peak human in every way and he's been trained in combat. |
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Post by Morpheus on Dec 30, 2010 13:27:21 GMT -5
The Kingpin is not fat - it has been mentioned on several occasions that all his bulk is actually muscle. He has had formal training, too, which he thrives to improve on every occasion. Not on Cassandra's levels or anything, but you get my point. When he used to restrain Spider-Man back in the day, yeah, that's PIS because he can't possibly be that strong. But he is well built, and trained, no question about it.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Dec 30, 2010 13:30:33 GMT -5
I never said he wasn't well trained I'm just arguing that he's gotten away with a lot of stuff he shouldn't over the years without any attempt at argument. While Cassie at least has one.
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Post by Admin on Dec 30, 2010 13:31:48 GMT -5
I never said he wasn't well trained I'm just arguing that he's gotten away with a lot of stuff he shouldn't over the years without any attempt at argument. While Cassie at least has one. I'm just pointing out his skill because without it, Frank attacking his eyes or jugular would be easier to pull off. But because he's skilled AND physically superior to such a degree, I don't see Frank having much hope here. |
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Post by Killshot Caine on Dec 30, 2010 13:31:49 GMT -5
I never said he wasn't well trained I'm just arguing that he's gotten away with a lot of stuff he shouldn't over the years without any attempt at argument. While Cassie at least has one. What has he gotten away that he shouldn't have? |
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Post by Admin on Dec 30, 2010 13:33:26 GMT -5
I never said he wasn't well trained I'm just arguing that he's gotten away with a lot of stuff he shouldn't over the years without any attempt at argument. While Cassie at least has one. What has he gotten away that he shouldn't have? I think the only examples we agree on being PIS are from his classic era, where he's overpowered Spidey and laughed off shield attacks from Cap. Other than that, I don't have an issue with low caliber hand gun bullets not being fatal when striking certain regions of the chest, primarily due to his extended mass. |
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