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Post by Admin on Dec 30, 2010 18:32:36 GMT -5
Location: The Island of Utopia. Unpopulated, begin at opposite ends of the entire island. Midday. Exterior only.
Rules:
-Both are aware of who they are facing.
-Scorpion's tail has tear gas and energy blasts.
-Morals apply.
-Elimination by all standard methods.
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Post by Morpheus on Dec 30, 2010 18:33:13 GMT -5
Beast wins on account of being the lesser pushover of the two.
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Post by Admin on Dec 30, 2010 18:36:49 GMT -5
Beast wins on account of being the lesser pushover of the two. I don't believe it would be an easy victory for Beast (on account of when he does win, that is...Let's get a debate going, lol). |
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Post by Morpheus on Dec 30, 2010 18:41:11 GMT -5
Pretty sure we debated this before, and came to an amiable conclusion.
Normally, Beast shouldn't be able to win more than 1-2/10, if Scorpion was written up to standard; standard that should, for all intends and purposes, render him superior to the wall crawler. But that is not to be, therefore Beast can edge out wins.
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Post by Admin on Dec 30, 2010 18:49:03 GMT -5
Pretty sure we debated this before, and came to an amiable conclusion.
Normally, Beast shouldn't be able to win more than 1-2/10, if Scorpion was written up to standard; standard that should, for all intends and purposes, render him superior to the wall crawler. But that is not to be, therefore Beast can edge out wins. More like therefore, shh your face. But really, the good battles Parker wins over Gargan are through essentially speed blitzing him and not holding back. I have no issue with those victories what-so-ever. The problem is the 3 times or so when writers used Scorpion and a third-rate villain in a bigger story, and they literally had him one-shotted or something along those lines. For example, when he got the dagger of his tail stuck in a tree, and he focused on that, obvlivious to Spider-Man, who then uppercutted him. Somehow I doubt a 15 ton individual would have such an issue with such a skinny tree, lol. He hasn't had a victory in 34,391,065 issues, but I believe he's capable of being a good match for Beast. Like you said, we, for the most part, reached an agreement last time, so I won't continue unless you want me to, sugar. |
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Post by Morpheus on Dec 30, 2010 18:55:26 GMT -5
The only real advantages in Beast's favor are his agility, and the fact that he is actually intelligent (even though not extremely tactically brilliant in combat), as opposed to Gargan being casually written as more of an idiot than a ton of bricks.
Gargan hasn't had a ictory over Spider-Man since 1976, I believe. When he became Venom, things got worse before they got better.
Hopefully, Slott will finally manage to turn him into a credible threat.
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Post by Admin on Dec 30, 2010 19:04:10 GMT -5
The only real advantages in Beast's favor are his agility, and the fact that he is actually intelligent (even though not extremely tactically brilliant in combat), as opposed to Gargan being casually written as more of an idiot than a ton of bricks.
Gargan hasn't had a ictory over Spider-Man since 1976, I believe. When he became Venom, things got worse before they got better.
Hopefully, Slott will finally manage to turn him into a credible threat. I agree on every point. However, despite not winning, he's still had a few...fair....showings along the way (it's sad to think one of his best showings is actually VS Cardiac for post-classic era). Beast's two advantages (agility, intellect) are why I believe he has the potential to eventually take down Gargan (hit and run tactics, likely), however, a tag or two in return by Gargan could easily turn the tide. |
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Post by Morpheus on Dec 30, 2010 19:07:06 GMT -5
The only real advantages in Beast's favor are his agility, and the fact that he is actually intelligent (even though not extremely tactically brilliant in combat), as opposed to Gargan being casually written as more of an idiot than a ton of bricks.
Gargan hasn't had a ictory over Spider-Man since 1976, I believe. When he became Venom, things got worse before they got better.
Hopefully, Slott will finally manage to turn him into a credible threat. I agree on every point. However, despite not winning, he's still had a few...fair....showings along the way (it's sad to think one of his best showings is actually VS Cardiac for post-classic era). Beast's two advantages (agility, intellect) are why I believe he has the potential to eventually take down Gargan (hit and run tactics, likely), however, a tag or two in return by Gargan could easily turn the tide.
He's had also several embarassing showings with Spider-Man absolutely dominating him, and him running away, or begging for mercy. 
Sorry, I couldn't help myself.
Pretty sure Beast would take a solid majority if Whedon was writing. He was one of the few writers that gave Beast attention, both as a character, and as a powerful street leveler. |
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Post by Silver on Dec 30, 2010 19:09:34 GMT -5
More like therefore, shh your face. But really, the good battles Parker wins over Gargan are through essentially speed blitzing him and not holding back. I have no issue with those victories what-so-ever. The problem is the 3 times or so when writers used Scorpion and a third-rate villain in a bigger story, and they literally had him one-shotted or something along those lines. For example, when he got the dagger of his tail stuck in a tree, and he focused on that, obvlivious to Spider-Man, who then uppercutted him. Somehow I doubt a 15 ton individual would have such an issue with such a skinny tree, lol. He hasn't had a victory in 34,391,065 issues, but I believe he's capable of being a good match for Beast. Like you said, we, for the most part, reached an agreement last time, so I won't continue unless you want me to, sugar. LOL. As funny as this comment was worded, it is sadly true. If Gargan was written properly, I believe he could win this without very much difficulty, but as it stands, Beast should take the majority, albeit with difficulty. |
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Post by Admin on Dec 30, 2010 19:11:17 GMT -5
I agree on every point. However, despite not winning, he's still had a few...fair....showings along the way (it's sad to think one of his best showings is actually VS Cardiac for post-classic era). Beast's two advantages (agility, intellect) are why I believe he has the potential to eventually take down Gargan (hit and run tactics, likely), however, a tag or two in return by Gargan could easily turn the tide.
He's had also several embarassing showings with Spider-Man absolutely dominating him, and him running away, or begging for mercy.
Sorry, I couldn't help myself.
Pretty sure Beast would take a solid majority if Whedon was writing. He was one of the few writers that gave Beast attention, both as a character, and as a powerful street leveler.Yeah, I pointed out one of those examples (the one-shot uppercut). Their sewer fight was also quite brutal, but IIRC, Gargan didn't even want to continue being Scorpion at that point. That character development was ignored, just like Shocker's massive upgrade. lol Whedon's Beast is, for lack of better words, a beast. |
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Post by Admin on Dec 30, 2010 19:13:25 GMT -5
Speaking of Shocker, I need to make a good battle for him. Gambit might even be a good option, TBH.
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Post by Morpheus on Dec 30, 2010 19:14:05 GMT -5
He's had also several embarassing showings with Spider-Man absolutely dominating him, and him running away, or begging for mercy.
Sorry, I couldn't help myself.
Pretty sure Beast would take a solid majority if Whedon was writing. He was one of the few writers that gave Beast attention, both as a character, and as a powerful street leveler.Yeah, I pointed out one of those examples (the one-shot uppercut). Their sewer fight was also quite brutal, but IIRC, Gargan didn't even want to continue being Scorpion at that point. That character development was ignored, just like Shocker's massive upgrade. lol Whedon's Beast is, for lack of better words, a beast.
I need to go back and reread those issues to be certain, but it left a sour taste to my mouth concerning his efficiency as a villain.
Indeed. The Doctor enjoyed the respect he deserves. But, really, aside from Logan, all of Whedon's X-Men had great feats. |
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Post by Morpheus on Dec 30, 2010 19:15:09 GMT -5
Speaking of Shocker, I need to make a good battle for him. Gambit might even be a good option, TBH. |
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Post by Silver on Dec 30, 2010 19:15:59 GMT -5
Shocker is fairly underrated, in my opinion.
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Post by Admin on Dec 30, 2010 19:20:04 GMT -5
Shocker is fairly underrated, in my opinion. We're in agreement on that. *cough*favorite non-jedi/sith thread*cough* Morph, unfortunately during that era of Spider-Man (pre/early clone saga), Scorpion was written as a total joke. |
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Post by Morpheus on Dec 30, 2010 19:21:04 GMT -5
Agreed.
Then again, Mark Waid having Spider-Man one-shot him with a kick, and also having him expel electricity (!) from his gauntlets, didn't exactly improve the situation.
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Post by Admin on Dec 30, 2010 19:25:17 GMT -5
Agreed.
Then again, Mark Waid having Spider-Man one-shot him with a kick, and also having him expel electricity (!) from his gauntlets, didn't exactly improve the situation. And the same kick took out Tombstone... How do editors let that pass? Silver, I agree with you regarding Scorpion. I love his classic showings (proud to say I own the first appearance ;D too ) |
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Post by Silver on Dec 30, 2010 19:30:07 GMT -5
@k4tz: Haha. Alright, alright.
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Post by Power NeXus on Dec 30, 2010 21:18:45 GMT -5
I would put up an argument here, but Olorin has already said everything I was thinking.
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Post by Power NeXus on Dec 30, 2010 21:20:32 GMT -5
Pretty sure we debated this before, and came to an amiable conclusion.
Normally, Beast shouldn't be able to win more than 1-2/10, if Scorpion was written up to standard; standard that should, for all intends and purposes, render him superior to the wall crawler. But that is not to be, therefore Beast can edge out wins. But really, the good battles Parker wins over Gargan are through essentially speed blitzing him and not holding back. I have no issue with those victories what-so-ever. The problem is the 3 times or so when writers used Scorpion and a third-rate villain in a bigger story, and they literally had him one-shotted or something along those lines. For example, when he got the dagger of his tail stuck in a tree, and he focused on that, obvlivious to Spider-Man, who then uppercutted him. Somehow I doubt a 15 ton individual would have such an issue with such a skinny tree, lol. He hasn't had a victory in 34,391,065 issues, but I believe he's capable of being a good match for Beast. Like you said, we, for the most part, reached an agreement last time, so I won't continue unless you want me to, sugar.  Do not speak such words!! It summons the dark one... |
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