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Post by djSWIZZLE on Oct 26, 2010 12:54:31 GMT -5
Alright folks, this one is for the MU's literal avatar of death, Frank Castle-The Punisher. Most people who either don't know their comics or are just blinded by their own fanrage make ludicrous claims like, "Punisher is only good against random street peddlers and other such everyday rejects with guns"...this couldn't be more opposite of the truth. Frank Castle has training that rivals (started at infantry at the age of 18, and then due to his unrivaled learning curve and versatility blitzed his way through all forms of military-Marine Recon, Spec Ops, Black Ops, Navy Seal, Green Beret-and due to his unparalled level of skill, tactical expertise, and ability in live combat allowed him to quickly work his way up the ranks as well-becoming the Captain of his own special forces squad during the time of 'Nam) that of the Batman, but the difference between them is the same as that of Deathstroke-Frank's training revolved entirely around the art of killing efficiently and the innerworkings of war-whereas Bruce's training was built entirely on fighting and thinking nonlethally (with all the comforts and advantages that his billion dollar inheritance allotted him), and certainly not in live-combat scenarios, let alone on the spot in the midst of the *mildly* less-forgiving face of war. NOTE-Now before all you raging Batfans out there go on to rant how this comparison is totally ludicrous and unwarranted and then go on to say that Batman, despite his lack of comparably intensive training, can somehow in fact repel even the most rabies-raged demon badgers with the business end of his pelvic thrusts and that indeed, given the right amount of prep time, can singlehandedly prove God's existence and then proceed to solo Him along with His entire Heavenly Host just because well-he's the goddamned Batman, then you can be rest assured knowing you don't have to work those tired little fingers, because I didn't set out to provoke a flame war, nor to say one is outright "better" than the other. I was simply making the comparison to make the point that if there's any nonpowered character from the MU that can be wholeheartedly claimed to match, if not potentially rival, the Bat's level of pants-shitting badassery it is none other than Frank Castle, The Punisher. If this thread convinces you of at least that, I will have done my job. -Scans in no apparent order- I have an attachment here from the one-shot Secret Wars-Files From Nick Fury, in which Fury gives his own personal evaluations on characters (meta and otherwise) during Secret War. This is Fury's own personal evaluation on Castle, who was on his list of "Omega Agents" that would have deployed to Latveria if Fury and his team happened to be killed. The first of these teams was to be about stealth, the second-destruction, and Frank would have been one of the latter's core members. Notice Fury's admiration and almost genuine fear of Frank's tactical skill and destructive cabability, going so far as to compare his proficiency for the latter to an even greater extent than that of an enraged Hulk! Attachments:
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djSWIZZLE
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Post by djSWIZZLE on Oct 26, 2010 13:04:30 GMT -5
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Post by djSWIZZLE on Oct 26, 2010 13:14:56 GMT -5
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Post by Lord Saturn on Oct 26, 2010 13:39:24 GMT -5
awesome stuff... The Punisher is a very cool character IMO
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Post by Strafe Prower on Oct 26, 2010 13:45:53 GMT -5
I can't wait for gerald to get ahold of this. Added this to the list.
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Post by djSWIZZLE on Oct 26, 2010 13:54:00 GMT -5
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Post by djSWIZZLE on Oct 26, 2010 15:29:30 GMT -5
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Post by djSWIZZLE on Oct 26, 2010 16:04:18 GMT -5
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Post by djSWIZZLE on Oct 26, 2010 16:48:37 GMT -5
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Post by djSWIZZLE on Oct 26, 2010 17:08:19 GMT -5
I can't wait for gerald to get ahold of this. Added this to the list. Yeah sorry it this isn't every organized, or if that intro was a bit ranty haha, pretty passionate about the character.
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spidey_17
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Post by spidey_17 on Oct 26, 2010 17:51:04 GMT -5
Can i ask something? No disrespect to Punisher's Marksmanship abilities. I know that he is amazingly good and expert marksman. But how is he supposed to shot characters that can dodge bullets after they were fired, without using his tactical intellect? There are occasions when he tagged a speedster and spider-man, because he was able to predict their location. He basically used his tactical intellect. But apart from these instances, he was able to shot them, by just shotting. Do his bullets move faster than the usual ones or what? Again, no disrespect to the character or his abilities, I'm just asking because i can not find a logical explanation of how he was able to shot bullet timing characters without using his tactics. =]
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Post by djSWIZZLE on Oct 26, 2010 18:00:50 GMT -5
Can i ask something? No disrespect to Punisher's Marksmanship abilities. I know that he is amazingly good and expert marksman. But how is he supposed to shot characters that can dodge bullets after they were fired, without using his tactical intellect? There are occasions when he tagged a speedster and spider-man, because he was able to predict their location. He basically used his tactical intellect. But apart from these instances, he was able to shot them, by just shotting. Do his bullets move faster than the usual ones or what? Again, no disrespect to the character or his abilities, I'm just asking because i can not find a logical explanation of how he was able to shot bullet timing characters without using his tactics. =] You would be correct my friend, he has indeed tagged Spidey and also a Speedster in War Journal iirc (have yet to post these). Although you're making the execution much more complicated than it is I believe. The only time he's ever been able to shoot bullet-timing characters is when, as you said yourself, he was able to successfully predict the outcome of their dodge, and then combined with his peerless marksman capabilities, hit them. There are no other instances that I can recall where he's done the same without first applying the tactics above.
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Post by spidey_17 on Oct 26, 2010 18:08:13 GMT -5
Can i ask something? No disrespect to Punisher's Marksmanship abilities. I know that he is amazingly good and expert marksman. But how is he supposed to shot characters that can dodge bullets after they were fired, without using his tactical intellect? There are occasions when he tagged a speedster and spider-man, because he was able to predict their location. He basically used his tactical intellect. But apart from these instances, he was able to shot them, by just shotting. Do his bullets move faster than the usual ones or what? Again, no disrespect to the character or his abilities, I'm just asking because i can not find a logical explanation of how he was able to shot bullet timing characters without using his tactics. =] You would be correct my friend, he has indeed tagged Spidey and also a Speedster in War Journal iirc (have yet to post these). Although you're making the execution much more complicated than it is I believe. The only time he's ever been able to shoot bullet-timing characters is when, as you said yourself, he was able to successfully predict the outcome of their dodge, and then combined with his peerless marksman capabilities, hit them. There are no other instances that I can recall where he's done the same without first applying the tactics above. Actually, he was able to shot spider-man, more than once. He was also able to tag DD in a few occasions. But he manage to do that, by just shotting. Both Spidey and DD are bullet timers and they have dodged bullets after they were fired more than once. That's why i don't understand how in some instances, he was able to shot them. If in every of his fights, he used his tactics, then that would make sense, but i don't understand how he was able to tag them, but just shotting.
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Post by djSWIZZLE on Oct 26, 2010 18:11:45 GMT -5
You would be correct my friend, he has indeed tagged Spidey and also a Speedster in War Journal iirc (have yet to post these). Although you're making the execution much more complicated than it is I believe. The only time he's ever been able to shoot bullet-timing characters is when, as you said yourself, he was able to successfully predict the outcome of their dodge, and then combined with his peerless marksman capabilities, hit them. There are no other instances that I can recall where he's done the same without first applying the tactics above. Actually, he was able to shot spider-man, more than once. He was also able to tag DD in a few occasions. But he manage to do that, by just shotting. Both Spidey and DD are bullet timers and they have dodged bullets after they were fired more than once. That's why i don't understand how in some instances, he was able to shot them. If in every of his fights, he used his tactics, then that would make sense, but i don't understand how he was able to tag them, but just shotting. I knew you were going to say DD, but I would never consider him a "consistent" bullet-timer, because he has no Spider-Sense, and Frank's not your average marksman. I can't really think of any times but once where's he's tagged Spidey directly though (that one time in the chest), can you name a specefic instance?
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Post by djSWIZZLE on Oct 26, 2010 18:25:18 GMT -5
I wouldn't downplay Frank either by saying just because his innermonolgue didn't say it every time, that he wasn't using the same tactics in his head. I know how comics are fond of restating useless information but this would just seem unusually pointless, haha you know?
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Post by spidey_17 on Oct 26, 2010 18:42:06 GMT -5
Actually, he was able to shot spider-man, more than once. He was also able to tag DD in a few occasions. But he manage to do that, by just shotting. Both Spidey and DD are bullet timers and they have dodged bullets after they were fired more than once. That's why i don't understand how in some instances, he was able to shot them. If in every of his fights, he used his tactics, then that would make sense, but i don't understand how he was able to tag them, but just shotting. I knew you were going to say DD, but I would never consider him a "consistent" bullet-timer, because he has no Spider-Sense, and Frank's not your average marksman. I can't really think of any times but once where's he's tagged Spidey directly though (that one time in the chest), can you name a specefic instance? Actually he is a consistent bullet timer. Almost every time, he deflects bullets after they were fired. Also, he does not have a spider-sense, but he does have a radar sense, which is developed in a lot better way than the spider-sense. Of course Frank is not average marksmanship, but being able to deflect bullets after they were fired, it's enough to give you the ability to dodge even the expert shooters. Frank, was able to tag spidey with 2 knives. Here is an instance where he shotted him www.comicvine.com/myvine/spidey_15/all-images/108-352090/1353140_punshootsspidermanagain/105-1476473/Of course, it's not stated that Frank is using the same tactics every time, but also it's never shown. We just see Punisher shotting, we don't really see him predicting his opponent's location because his opponent does not move at all. He is just shotted. BTW, can we continue this in a PM. These thread is only for feats and i don't want to ruin it. =]
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Post by djSWIZZLE on Oct 27, 2010 7:48:47 GMT -5
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Post by djSWIZZLE on Oct 29, 2010 8:49:43 GMT -5
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Post by InnerVenom123 on Oct 29, 2010 9:14:13 GMT -5
If I could only find how Eddie escaped from that, it'd be an awesome tendril usage feat for his respect thread. He slinked a tendril down through the sewer and managed to get it into the van and turn off the sonics, IIRC.
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Post by djSWIZZLE on Oct 29, 2010 9:17:16 GMT -5
If I could only find how Eddie escaped from that, it'd be an awesome tendril usage feat for his respect thread. He slinked a tendril down through the sewer and managed to get it into the van and turn off the sonics, IIRC. Can't help ya bud. Friend lended me the scans, although that does sound like an insane tendril feat
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