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Post by Lord Saturn on Oct 24, 2010 15:04:51 GMT -5
I guess this one is a little too tough to call...
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Post by goku on Oct 24, 2010 15:36:37 GMT -5
I'm thinking stalemate here..
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Post by embraceoblivion on Oct 25, 2010 18:35:30 GMT -5
Stalemate unless Doomsday can biologically create a poison meant to counter Eiling's regeneration. His poison had some affect on Superman when he struck him with those claw arrows.
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Post by vuviper on Oct 26, 2010 4:27:13 GMT -5
The Shaggyman body is supposed to constantly evolve as it fights but I haven't actually seen any examples of this happening while Eiling occupied it. Has anyone else?
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Post by greenlantern555 on Oct 26, 2010 4:29:58 GMT -5
The Shaggyman body is supposed to constantly evolve as it fights but I haven't actually seen any examples of this happening while Eiling occupied it. Has anyone else? Not to my knowledge. |
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Post by Heisenburg on Oct 26, 2010 14:22:10 GMT -5
Stalemate. I don't see a way Doomsday could completely kill/defeat Eiling and vice versa.
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Post by vuviper on Oct 31, 2010 0:34:47 GMT -5
Stalemate. I don't see a way Doomsday could completely kill/defeat Eiling and vice versa. Hypothetically? He develops a venom that causes necrosis at a rate faster than Eilings regeneration. Also almost any kind of therapy that is targeted at cancer should be detrimental to Eilings body. The only reason why I'm not sure if this can happen, is because in Shaggy's origin, he's supposed to be able to constantly evolve. |
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Post by Heisenburg on Oct 31, 2010 1:05:53 GMT -5
Hypothetically? He develops a venom that causes necrosis at a rate faster than Eilings regeneration. Also almost any kind of therapy that is targeted at cancer should be detrimental to Eilings body. The only reason why I'm not sure if this can happen, is because in Shaggy's origin, he's supposed to be able to constantly evolve. I can agree on a hypothetical situation. But, I would think that since Eiling's body is the same as Shaggy Man I's body, his ability to evolve would still remain intact. |
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Post by creator on Nov 2, 2010 13:16:01 GMT -5
I don't recall the Shaggy Man body (with or without Eiling's mind) doing much in the way of evolving.
Yes we have seen it regenerate from fragments but evolve.....not that I remember.
With that in mind we do know that Doomsday's body will evolve both defensive and offensive capabilities in response to threatening stimuli. The evolution appears to be very smart, hence the fire breath vs Martian Manhunter.
So at his peak he displayed sufficient physical durability to take Superman's best shots (thanks to his being killed by Superman's physical strength before).
So I think he is both strong enough and durable enough to hang with the General while his body adapts additional defenses to Eiling's strength (if required) and to adapt an offense to Eiling.
Ultimately I think Doomsday (at his best) should win but the battle could last a very long time.
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Post by sfgiants on Nov 11, 2010 6:33:42 GMT -5
Pre-Crisis Shaggy Man was insanely powerful. I forget who it was, but they created another Shaggy Man to stalemate him for eternity. Or something to that. Plus, you can't beat Shaggy Man the same way twice.
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Post by sfgiants on Nov 11, 2010 6:34:50 GMT -5
I don't recall the Shaggy Man body (with or without Eiling's mind) doing much in the way of evolving. Yes we have seen it regenerate from fragments but evolve.....not that I remember. With that in mind we do know that Doomsday's body will evolve both defensive and offensive capabilities in response to threatening stimuli. The evolution appears to be very smart, hence the fire breath vs Martian Manhunter. So at his peak he displayed sufficient physical durability to take Superman's best shots (thanks to his being killed by Superman's physical strength before). So I think he is both strong enough and durable enough to hang with the General while his body adapts additional defenses to Eiling's strength (if required) and to adapt an offense to Eiling. Ultimately I think Doomsday (at his best) should win but the battle could last a very long time. PC Shaggy Man was the one to evolve. When Hal shrunk him down to pea size and placed him in a force field, he eventually adapted and broke out. |
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Post by Supreme Marvel on Nov 11, 2010 6:56:15 GMT -5
This is Doomsday, you know the guy who rapidly evolves. As proven against MM, he can evolve offensively (which Creator also pointed out). My question is why wouldn't he evolve offensively in terms of mental attacks? And if the battle goes on for a long period of time Doomsday's rapid evolution will just counter The General's attacks.
This could also be my opinion.
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Post by sfgiants on Nov 11, 2010 6:57:21 GMT -5
Both will be adapting. Depending on which version we use.
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Post by Supreme Marvel on Nov 11, 2010 7:19:50 GMT -5
Yes we have seen it regenerate from fragments but evolve.....not that I remember. I can take this at face value. Anyone can provide evidence of him evolving. And evolving at the rate Doomsday (at peak) can, then I'd gladly call it a stalemate. |
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Post by creator on Nov 11, 2010 7:25:33 GMT -5
Both will be adapting. Depending on which version we use. The battle is between the post crisis Eiling mind inhabited shaggy man body and Doomsday (classic). I believe it to be classic Doomsday as this is Dopomsday at his peak. So according to your information, as this is post crisis and not pre crisis Shaggy man, then he won't adapt. Even if he were to and based on Shaggy man evolving to escape GL's force bubble (which took months - years), he would adapt noweher near as fast as Doomsday who has evolved during a single encounter. So Doomsday has a biological imperative to adapt any defense / offense to counter what he opposes. Doomsday wins. |
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Post by Supreme Marvel on Nov 11, 2010 7:28:52 GMT -5
Based on that, my vote will stay Doomsday.
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Post by sfgiants on Nov 11, 2010 16:56:40 GMT -5
Both will be adapting. Depending on which version we use. The battle is between the post crisis Eiling mind inhabited shaggy man body and Doomsday (classic). I believe it to be classic Doomsday as this is Dopomsday at his peak. So according to your information, as this is post crisis and not pre crisis Shaggy man, then he won't adapt. Even if he were to and based on Shaggy man evolving to escape GL's force bubble (which took months - years), he would adapt noweher near as fast as Doomsday who has evolved during a single encounter. So Doomsday has a biological imperative to adapt any defense / offense to counter what he opposes. Doomsday wins. The General is Shaggy Man and has shown not to lose his adaptive powers. In WW 3, he was basically walking through the JLA which inculded Orion and Superman. I say this is a stalemate at best. |
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Post by creator on Nov 12, 2010 3:05:03 GMT -5
The General is Shaggy Man and has shown not to lose his adaptive powers. In WW 3, he was basically walking through the JLA which inculded Orion and Superman. I say this is a stalemate at best. How does that desription show any adaptive power ? We know that the General is amazingly strong and tough and regenerates at an fantastic rate. All this example does is highlight that. Can you show a specific example where the General has adapted a new defense / offense within an encounter ? If not he will not have the ability to counter Doomsday's genetic adaptability. |
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Post by sfgiants on Nov 12, 2010 3:59:40 GMT -5
The General is Shaggy Man and has shown not to lose his adaptive powers. In WW 3, he was basically walking through the JLA which inculded Orion and Superman. I say this is a stalemate at best. How does that desription show any adaptive power ? We know that the General is amazingly strong and tough and regenerates at an fantastic rate. All this example does is highlight that. Can you show a specific example where the General has adapted a new defense / offense within an encounter ? If not he will not have the ability to counter Doomsday's genetic adaptability. The General took the original SM's body, which was able to adapt. The OP said at their peak, so I'm assuming we can use SM at his best. Either way, I don't see Doomsday powerful enough to KO General IN SM's body to begin with. He'll just regenerate/heal. Plus General can actually think and that might play into affect. |
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Post by creator on Nov 12, 2010 12:08:18 GMT -5
The General took the original SM's body, which was able to adapt. The OP said at their peak, so I'm assuming we can use SM at his best. Either way, I don't see Doomsday powerful enough to KO General IN SM's body to begin with. He'll just regenerate/heal. Plus General can actually think and that might play into affect. Lets look at what you originally quoted (hence the confusion), PC Shaggy Man was the one to evolve. When Hal shrunk him down to pea size and placed him in a force field, he eventually adapted and broke out.So that would be Pre-crisis Shaggy Man being able to evolve. What evidence exists (can be shown or discussed in detail) that illurstrates that Post-crisis Shaggy Man (or the General) can evolve. No evidence, no basis for argument. Doomsday has all these very clear examples of evolution to threat - and in a very short time. |
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