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Post by Strafe Prower on Feb 8, 2011 21:02:19 GMT -5
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Post by Lord Barbatos on Feb 8, 2011 23:11:23 GMT -5
Can you name the writer for this? cause i seriously want to give him hate mail. why would bane ,Ra's and deadshot come to this guy? bane already manipulated him like a puppet in knightfall. Deadshot could have killed batman anytime he wanted,Ra's is Ra's , Where does this fit in continuity? bane never met the riddler after knightfall,neither Ra's or deadshot have ever met him in modern continuity.seems like superman/batman all over again.(a fanboy writer taking the duty,and is this a dream?) and ivy has manipulated the riddler in the past(gotham city sirens) and he begged her for protection in hush returns. I mean think about it,riddler had his plans stolen by his own henchmen,then the said henchmen kicked him out of his HQ laughing at him in the process,sorry but thats FAILED villian territory. hell bane even solved 2 of his stupid riddles and told his henchmen(bird,zombie and trogg) to solve them or else(according to him it was too easy)
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Post by Bentley on Feb 9, 2011 3:25:47 GMT -5
The Riddler is full of win.
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Post by Lunacyde Prime on Feb 9, 2011 3:46:16 GMT -5
I like Riddler.
Sinestro is probably my favorite among many others especially Flash's rogues and and my least is probably Killer croc.
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Post by Supreme Marvel on Feb 9, 2011 8:39:28 GMT -5
Good take of The Riddler.
After all he is smarter than the Batman.
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Post by Strafe Prower on Feb 9, 2011 9:03:31 GMT -5
Can you name the writer for this? cause i seriously want to give him hate mail. why would bane ,Ra's and deadshot come to this guy? bane already manipulated him like a puppet in knightfall. Deadshot could have killed batman anytime he wanted,Ra's is Ra's , Where does this fit in continuity? bane never met the riddler after knightfall,neither Ra's or deadshot have ever met him in modern continuity.seems like superman/batman all over again.(a fanboy writer taking the duty,and is this a dream?) and ivy has manipulated the riddler in the past(gotham city sirens) and he begged her for protection in hush returns. I mean think about it,riddler had his plans stolen by his own henchmen,then the said henchmen kicked him out of his HQ laughing at him in the process,sorry but thats FAILED villian territory. hell bane even solved 2 of his stupid riddles and told his henchmen(bird,zombie and trogg) to solve them or else(according to him it was too easy) Peter Calloway, who wrote some of Gotham City Sirens. With a reputation like Riddler's, you don't have to know them for them to know you. You could be smarter than Riddler (Which none of those are) and still need Nigma's help. He is a great detective, puzzlemaster, and many other things. Bane hasn't shown that kind of intelligent planning since Knightfall IIRC. Ra's and Deadshot could be in need of his assistance as well. Saying that it wouldn't happen is based solely on opinion. If Ivy controled him in this situation, she wouldn't be able to use his intelligence like if he was in control. That is the difference. She needed his brains, not his house. That is called disrespecting a villain for no reason. Riddler doesn't mind getting physical and has various way to kill somone with his cane alone. BS. Batman has solved countless riddles, but still has come to him for help in the past. Edward is as intelligent or maybe more so than Batman, which should make Bane near the same level as well. Riddler's puzzles and riddles aren't the hard part to figure out, his motivation and plans are.
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Post by Lord Barbatos on Feb 10, 2011 7:35:29 GMT -5
Can you name the writer for this? cause i seriously want to give him hate mail. why would bane ,Ra's and deadshot come to this guy? bane already manipulated him like a puppet in knightfall. Deadshot could have killed batman anytime he wanted,Ra's is Ra's , Where does this fit in continuity? bane never met the riddler after knightfall,neither Ra's or deadshot have ever met him in modern continuity.seems like superman/batman all over again.(a fanboy writer taking the duty,and is this a dream?) and ivy has manipulated the riddler in the past(gotham city sirens) and he begged her for protection in hush returns. I mean think about it,riddler had his plans stolen by his own henchmen,then the said henchmen kicked him out of his HQ laughing at him in the process,sorry but thats FAILED villian territory. hell bane even solved 2 of his stupid riddles and told his henchmen(bird,zombie and trogg) to solve them or else(according to him it was too easy) Peter Calloway, who wrote some of Gotham City Sirens. With a reputation like Riddler's, you don't have to know them for them to know you. You could be smarter than Riddler (Which none of those are) and still need Nigma's help. He is a great detective, puzzlemaster, and many other things. Bane hasn't shown that kind of intelligent planning since Knightfall IIRC. Ra's and Deadshot could be in need of his assistance as well. Saying that it wouldn't happen is based solely on opinion. If Ivy controled him in this situation, she wouldn't be able to use his intelligence like if he was in control. That is the difference. She needed his brains, not his house. That is called disrespecting a villain for no reason. Riddler doesn't mind getting physical and has various way to kill somone with his cane alone. BS. Batman has solved countless riddles, but still has come to him for help in the past. Edward is as intelligent or maybe more so than Batman, which should make Bane near the same level as well. Riddler's puzzles and riddles aren't the hard part to figure out, his motivation and plans are. What reputation may I ask? begging everyone in gotham for protection against hush?bane and Ra's are smarter than riddler,you think eddie would have the audacity to slam the door on Ra's face.none of what happened in that scan was ever referenced in continuity.bane has displayed more intellectual feats in bane of the demon and azrael.Edward in nowhere near batman in intellect. yeah a skinny guy with a cane vs half a dozen strong guys with guns.surely the guy with the cane will win ,the problem was that he lacked any sort of commanding prescence or even a back up plan.i mean those same guys could have killed someone like scarecrow,joker,strange etc,but they would'nt due to the reasons i pointed out. the only thing riddler rivales batman in is detective skills,hence why he would be better off as a question or tim drake villian,as a batman villian the character is obsolete and a major jobber. batman nowadays has more on his to do list than worrying about some green cheese cake.
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Post by Strafe Prower on Feb 10, 2011 9:19:45 GMT -5
Peter Calloway, who wrote some of Gotham City Sirens. With a reputation like Riddler's, you don't have to know them for them to know you. You could be smarter than Riddler (Which none of those are) and still need Nigma's help. He is a great detective, puzzlemaster, and many other things. Bane hasn't shown that kind of intelligent planning since Knightfall IIRC. Ra's and Deadshot could be in need of his assistance as well. Saying that it wouldn't happen is based solely on opinion. If Ivy controled him in this situation, she wouldn't be able to use his intelligence like if he was in control. That is the difference. She needed his brains, not his house. That is called disrespecting a villain for no reason. Riddler doesn't mind getting physical and has various way to kill somone with his cane alone. BS. Batman has solved countless riddles, but still has come to him for help in the past. Edward is as intelligent or maybe more so than Batman, which should make Bane near the same level as well. Riddler's puzzles and riddles aren't the hard part to figure out, his motivation and plans are. What reputation may I ask? begging everyone in gotham for protection against hush?bane and Ra's are smarter than riddler,you think eddie would have the audacity to slam the door on Ra's face.none of what happened in that scan was ever referenced in continuity.bane has displayed more intellectual feats in bane of the demon and azrael.Edward in nowhere near batman in intellect. yeah a skinny guy with a cane vs half a dozen strong guys with guns.surely the guy with the cane will win ,the problem was that he lacked any sort of commanding prescence or even a back up plan.i mean those same guys could have killed someone like scarecrow,joker,strange etc,but they would'nt due to the reasons i pointed out. the only thing riddler rivales batman in is detective skills,hence why he would be better off as a question or tim drake villian,as a batman villian the character is obsolete and a major jobber. batman nowadays has more on his to do list than worrying about some green cheese cake. The reputation of being one of the smartest men in Gotham. He is extemely intelligent and has shown this many times. The writer of Hush pissed on characters that the writer didn't like (Catwoman, Riddler, and more). Batman went to the Riddler for help in Dark Victory and The Long Halloween, The Gotham City Sirens went to him for help in their series, and many other times have people with high intellect came to riddler. He has skills and has killed his hnchmen in the past for second guessing him, so I don't see how that instance that you are pointing out makes sense. The writer just wanted to hate IMO. Ra's doesn't have any intelligence feats, that I know of, and Riddler has shown the mental capacity to outsmart bats several times, so he is as smart as Batman. Saying he isn't is ignoring the point of the character. BTW, the Riddler in the scan quit crime and didn't care if he lived or died, so it's possible that he would slam a door in Ra's face or talk to Bane like that.
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Post by Lord Barbatos on Feb 10, 2011 10:51:50 GMT -5
What reputation may I ask? begging everyone in gotham for protection against hush?bane and Ra's are smarter than riddler,you think eddie would have the audacity to slam the door on Ra's face.none of what happened in that scan was ever referenced in continuity.bane has displayed more intellectual feats in bane of the demon and azrael.Edward in nowhere near batman in intellect. yeah a skinny guy with a cane vs half a dozen strong guys with guns.surely the guy with the cane will win ,the problem was that he lacked any sort of commanding prescence or even a back up plan.i mean those same guys could have killed someone like scarecrow,joker,strange etc,but they would'nt due to the reasons i pointed out. the only thing riddler rivales batman in is detective skills,hence why he would be better off as a question or tim drake villian,as a batman villian the character is obsolete and a major jobber. batman nowadays has more on his to do list than worrying about some green cheese cake. The reputation of being one of the smartest men in Gotham. He is extemely intelligent and has shown this many times. The writer of Hush pissed on characters that the writer didn't like (Catwoman, Riddler, and more). Batman went to the Riddler for help in Dark Victory and The Long Halloween, The Gotham City Sirens went to him for help in their series, and many other times have people with high intellect came to riddler. He has skills and has killed his hnchmen in the past for second guessing him, so I don't see how that instance that you are pointing out makes sense. The writer just wanted to hate IMO. Ra's doesn't have any intelligence feats, that I know of, and Riddler has shown the mental capacity to outsmart bats several times, so he is as smart as Batman. Saying he isn't is ignoring the point of the character. BTW, the Riddler in the scan quit crime and didn't care if he lived or died, so it's possible that he would slam a door in Ra's face or talk to Bane like that. I was talking about hush returns actually,catwoman was'nt in it and if anything the writer of hush(loeb) really likes catwoman and riddler. Riddler was tricked by the sirens in to being bait,and as i recall in the long halloween he was almost killed by alberto facone or gilda dent(whoever the holiday killer was),the only reason he survived was cause it was april fools . Ra's has stalemated bruce in chess and has outsmarted the joker as well.he has entire libraries in his HQ'S.He keeps his operations hidden from the world,ETC. and i'm still curious as to why bane and deadshot came to him since they dont want batman dead in the first place.
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Post by Strafe Prower on Feb 10, 2011 19:03:30 GMT -5
The reputation of being one of the smartest men in Gotham. He is extemely intelligent and has shown this many times. The writer of Hush pissed on characters that the writer didn't like (Catwoman, Riddler, and more). Batman went to the Riddler for help in Dark Victory and The Long Halloween, The Gotham City Sirens went to him for help in their series, and many other times have people with high intellect came to riddler. He has skills and has killed his hnchmen in the past for second guessing him, so I don't see how that instance that you are pointing out makes sense. The writer just wanted to hate IMO. Ra's doesn't have any intelligence feats, that I know of, and Riddler has shown the mental capacity to outsmart bats several times, so he is as smart as Batman. Saying he isn't is ignoring the point of the character. BTW, the Riddler in the scan quit crime and didn't care if he lived or died, so it's possible that he would slam a door in Ra's face or talk to Bane like that. I was talking about hush returns actually,catwoman was'nt in it and if anything the writer of hush(loeb) really likes catwoman and riddler. Riddler was tricked by the sirens in to being bait,and as i recall in the long halloween he was almost killed by alberto facone or gilda dent(whoever the holiday killer was),the only reason he survived was cause it was april fools . Ra's has stalemated bruce in chess and has outsmarted the joker as well.he has entire libraries in his HQ'S.He keeps his operations hidden from the world,ETC. and i'm still curious as to why bane and deadshot came to him since they dont want batman dead in the first place. My bad, but Loeb doesn't like Catwoman if he wrote Hush (Being shot by Harley? Being Stalemated by Huntress) Loeb is also the person that wrote the other two stories. Holiday was fooling everyone, including Batman, so i don't see the point of bringing that up. The reason he was set up as bait is because he trusted them, not because a lack of intelligence. They took advantage of the friendship. Thanks for those, but I could still see Ra's coming to him. They could have had a motivation we, the reader, didn't know about.
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Post by Lord Barbatos on Feb 11, 2011 4:04:08 GMT -5
I was talking about hush returns actually,catwoman was'nt in it and if anything the writer of hush(loeb) really likes catwoman and riddler. Riddler was tricked by the sirens in to being bait,and as i recall in the long halloween he was almost killed by alberto facone or gilda dent(whoever the holiday killer was),the only reason he survived was cause it was april fools . Ra's has stalemated bruce in chess and has outsmarted the joker as well.he has entire libraries in his HQ'S.He keeps his operations hidden from the world,ETC. and i'm still curious as to why bane and deadshot came to him since they dont want batman dead in the first place. My bad, but Loeb doesn't like Catwoman if he wrote Hush (Being shot by Harley? Being Stalemated by Huntress) Loeb is also the person that wrote the other two stories. Holiday was fooling everyone, including Batman, so i don't see the point of bringing that up. The reason he was set up as bait is because he trusted them, not because a lack of intelligence. They took advantage of the friendship. Thanks for those, but I could still see Ra's coming to him. They could have had a motivation we, the reader, didn't know about. Is'nt taking advantage of someone qualify as manipulation?he was manipulatd by 3 characters of which only 1 is genius,one is a total idiot and one is fairly clever.Loeb had batman reject talia for selina,he also had her appear in his other 2 famous stories,and one miniseries(catwoman:when in rome),infact the only other writer who gives her as much screen time in mainstream batbooks is dini.and i dont see whats wrong with getting stalemated by harley or huntress,its not like selina is a lady shiva level or even nightwing level. You're right about holiday,but the thing is that batman was horribly written in those stories(he also got owned by a cop). How are we supposed to know about hidden motivations ? that makes no sense at all.
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Post by Painkiller on Feb 11, 2011 7:51:16 GMT -5
My favorites:
-Deadshot -Catman -Bane -Jason Todd -Doomsday -Darkseid -Cyborg Superman -The Joker -Constantine Drakon -Onomatopiea -Killer Croc
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Post by Painkiller on Feb 11, 2011 7:53:16 GMT -5
Oh, and the Riddler is pretty awesome too.
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Post by Strafe Prower on Feb 11, 2011 9:13:22 GMT -5
My bad, but Loeb doesn't like Catwoman if he wrote Hush (Being shot by Harley? Being Stalemated by Huntress) Loeb is also the person that wrote the other two stories. Holiday was fooling everyone, including Batman, so i don't see the point of bringing that up. The reason he was set up as bait is because he trusted them, not because a lack of intelligence. They took advantage of the friendship. Thanks for those, but I could still see Ra's coming to him. They could have had a motivation we, the reader, didn't know about. Is'nt taking advantage of someone qualify as manipulation?he was manipulatd by 3 characters of which only 1 is genius,one is a total idiot and one is fairly clever.Loeb had batman reject talia for selina,he also had her appear in his other 2 famous stories,and one miniseries(catwoman:when in rome),infact the only other writer who gives her as much screen time in mainstream batbooks is dini.and i dont see whats wrong with getting stalemated by harley or huntress,its not like selina is a lady shiva level or even nightwing level. You're right about holiday,but the thing is that batman was horribly written in those stories(he also got owned by a cop). How are we supposed to know about hidden motivations ? that makes no sense at all. Manipulation can have nothing to do with intelligence, if it is manipulation of the emotions. This is wrong IMO. Loeb can give her screen time and still treat her like trash. Dixon, Grayson, and others have done just as many stories starring her in her solo series. The reason it's BS is because Selina has dodge shots for sharpshooters on a different building and at point blank. There is no way Harley Quinn is going to tag her with one shot. Catwoman has already shown that she isn't scared of Huntress and manipulated her, then easily got away in the end of the story with superior H2H and Acrobatics. (Solo series) Thats Loeb for you What the writer is doing there is basically letting your imagination tell you why these people are coming for help, not for solid reasons. That is what I was talking about for motivation. Wether or not you care to imagine a situation where Deadshot or Bane would come to him, is up to you. (Note: Deadshot's panel only said that he wanted to set a trap for Batman, not kill him.)
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