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Post by Power NeXus on Mar 6, 2011 23:39:33 GMT -5
I have recently re-read Whedon's Astonishing X-Men and refreshed myself on the details of how it explains that Scott really can control his power. However, one part of this issue still alludes me: why does Cyclops still wear his visor all the time. In Astonishing he demonstrated that he can function completely normally and control his powers without having to have a visor on. But at the end of the whole Breakworld story he ends up putting his visor back on without any explanation why except for Emma saying, "Your eyes are red... I'm amazed you held it as long as you did."
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Post by Erik-El on Mar 6, 2011 23:55:20 GMT -5
Scott fears and resents his power because he is afraid he has no control over it. So instead of trying to control it, he chooses not to. He built up mental blocks when he decided to not control his power. He focuses all his control inward, which makes him "unable" to control his powers. When he decides to control his powers, he is not in control of himself.
He made his power his demon so that he is always fighting something. Always afraid of something. Always in control of himself.
It may sounds strange but when you find out you can kill a man with a glance when you are only 14 years old, it can mess you up.
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Post by Power NeXus on Mar 7, 2011 0:53:31 GMT -5
I know that's why he initially decided not to control his powers, but it seemed like those mental blocks left him once he realized they were there. He managed to last the entirety of the Breakword mission completely in control of himself and his powers. I don't see why he is reverting back to his previous state of not controlling his powers. He can't really still have mental blocks that keep him from controlling them when he's already spent a long period of time in complete control.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Mar 7, 2011 0:53:58 GMT -5
*facepalm*
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Post by Admin on Mar 7, 2011 0:56:08 GMT -5
I know that's why he initially decided not to control his powers, but it seemed like those mental blocks left him once he realized they were there. He managed to last the entirety of the Breakword mission completely in control of himself and his powers. I don't see why he is reverting back to his previous state of not controlling his powers. He can't really still have mental blocks that keep him from controlling them when he's already spent a long period of time in complete control. Just because he was able to control it for that amount of time apparently didn't instill enough confidence in him. I mean, the man has lived his under life under that mindset, so I can understand the caution. Plus, he just wouldn't be the Cyclops we know without the visor
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Post by Power NeXus on Mar 7, 2011 1:03:14 GMT -5
Anything you want to bring up, or were you just expecting that comment to go unnoticed?
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Post by Power NeXus on Mar 7, 2011 1:06:35 GMT -5
I know that's why he initially decided not to control his powers, but it seemed like those mental blocks left him once he realized they were there. He managed to last the entirety of the Breakword mission completely in control of himself and his powers. I don't see why he is reverting back to his previous state of not controlling his powers. He can't really still have mental blocks that keep him from controlling them when he's already spent a long period of time in complete control. Just because he was able to control it for that amount of time apparently didn't instill enough confidence in him. I mean, the man has lived his under life under that mindset, so I can understand the caution. Plus, he just wouldn't be the Cyclops we know without the visor The idea that he has confidence issues seems kinda shaky (Cyke has more balls than Lance Armstrong). It seems like he would at least be trying to gradually 'wean' himself off it (if you had been wearing a visor on your face 24/7 since you were 14 and just realized you didn't actually have to, you'd probably want to have it off as much as possible). The idea that the writers screwed him over to preserve his iconic appearance makes more sense.
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Post by Admin on Mar 7, 2011 1:11:00 GMT -5
"The idea that he has confidence issues seems kinda shaky (Cyke has more balls than Lance Armstrong)." I'd say 'low blow' but that would just further the joke But seriously, as confident as he may be, everyone has their personal demons and such. Cyclops is afraid he'll lose control again and doesn't want anyone to suffer if it happens. So to play it safe, the visor stays. "It seems like he would at least be trying to gradually 'wean' himself off it (if you had been wearing a visor on your face 24/7 since you were 14 and just realized you didn't actually have to, you'd probably want to have it off as much as possible)." That's something I would do if I was him, but at the same time you're always going to question "what if I can't control it?" Because if he loses control for just a second....well, we've seen the results of him not wearing a visor. How does he know it won't flare up in moments of strong emotion? "The idea that the writers screwed him over to preserve his iconic appearance makes more sense. " But yeah, then there's always that option. lol
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Mar 7, 2011 1:12:57 GMT -5
Anything you want to bring up, or were you just expecting that comment to go unnoticed? lol. I just find this particular aspect of cyclops especially stupid.
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Post by Admin on Mar 7, 2011 1:14:12 GMT -5
Also, Emma's final remark can also imply Scott was beginning to lose control.
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Post by Power NeXus on Mar 7, 2011 1:20:21 GMT -5
Also, Emma's final remark can also imply Scott was beginning to lose control. Yeah, it just doesn't make sense to me that he would start losing control if he already fully understands that he can control it. If he can teach dozens of early-teen kids to control their powers, he should be able to teach himself to control his own.
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Post by Erik-El on Mar 7, 2011 12:05:03 GMT -5
@nexus:
You are talking about "weaning" someone off a deep psychological issue that he ingrained into himself for most of his life. That was why Emma was surprised he lasted as long as he did. He probably would be trying to work on that if he were not committing 120% of his time to being the leader of an entire subspecies.
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Post by Erik-El on Mar 7, 2011 12:08:04 GMT -5
Anything you want to bring up, or were you just expecting that comment to go unnoticed? lol. I just find this particular aspect of cyclops especially stupid. Yeah. Complex characters are stupid. They should just all be perfect and never have moments of self doubt or fear of the power they hold.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Mar 7, 2011 12:23:48 GMT -5
Yeah. Complex characters are stupid. They should just all be perfect and never have moments of self doubt or fear of the power they hold. oh come on, complexity is good and one thing. But a dumbass reason is a complete other
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Post by Erik-El on Mar 7, 2011 12:27:24 GMT -5
Yeah. Complex characters are stupid. They should just all be perfect and never have moments of self doubt or fear of the power they hold. oh come on, complexity is good and one thing. But a dumbass reason is a complete other Lol I was just being facetious. I do not think it is a dumbass reason at all though. He was 13 or 14 years old and could kill someone if he looked at them. On top of that, he had Sinister fucking with his head the entire time he was at the adoption agency. He did not have anyone to help him so he helped himself. By then, he had made his choice so complete, not even Xavier knew about it. Cyclops says the accident busted up his head, Xavier believed him.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Mar 7, 2011 12:29:26 GMT -5
Well I'll just disagree then, because anyone with basic logic could easily explain to him why his logic/reasons for not controlling his powers are in my opinion fucking retarded.
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Post by Erik-El on Mar 7, 2011 12:34:30 GMT -5
Well I'll just disagree then, because anyone with basic logic could easily explain to him why his logic/reasons for not controlling his powers are in my opinion fucking retarded. Maybe now but I hardly think that could be said about a child making that decision. Now it is part of who he is. It is alien to do otherwise. Actually controlling his power likely feels as alien to him as a wadding in mud does for an obsessive compulsive mysophobic.
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Post by Erik-El on Mar 7, 2011 12:36:18 GMT -5
You do not just turn off deep psychological issues like a light switch.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Mar 7, 2011 12:37:53 GMT -5
considering who he is, what he has access to, what he knows and what he's experienced I can't agree. It's still completely retarded as a reason in my opinion.
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Post by Erik-El on Mar 7, 2011 12:43:00 GMT -5
What would he have access to that would cure that? Psychics? Nope. Even Xavier did not mess around with that stuff and he was the best. The only time he ever did it was to Wolverine and I already explained before that was because Wolverine tried to kill him. And all it did was make Wolverine into an entirely different person. It basically killed who he was.
They are doing just that to Legion as well. They are killing his personalities because there is no other way to "cure" him. Now I may not be an expert on the subject but I can say that it does not sound very appealing to kill myself just so I can get rid of one issue right away. I would rather work it out the long way.
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