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Thor
May 8, 2011 21:08:30 GMT -5
Post by substancedii on May 8, 2011 21:08:30 GMT -5
Marvel studios is not in charge of X-Men: First Class. That movie is from 20th Century Fox (I believe). So far Marvel has given us Iron Man 1 and 2, the Incredible Hulk, and Thor, and will be giving us Captain America, The Avengers, Iron Man 3, and possibly movies for other characters like Hawkeye, Hank Pym, and Black Widow within the next few years. ALL other films about Marvel characters (Spider-Man trilogy and re-boot, all X-Men related movies, F4 movies, Daredevil, Ghost Rider, the first Hulk movie, ect) have been created by other studios who simply bought the movie rights to those characters. Marvel had nothing to do with the crappiness of any of those movies. Marvel Studios A.K.A. Walt Disney is not 100% in charge of anything yet..... one of thees days you will go to see a marvel movie... and right before the movie you will see tinker-bell flying towards you... away from Cinderella's castle. In the background you will here the melody for when you wish up on a start... At that moment you will know that you are about to see a movie that is 100% Disney
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May 8, 2011 21:13:55 GMT -5
Post by Erik-El on May 8, 2011 21:13:55 GMT -5
Lol sorry Dii but I mean Marvel through and through. Not things like Fox movies that purchased the rights to Marvel material. but its not Marvel through and through... Marvel is owned by Walt Disney... yet Paramount studios is in on the deal.... Do you think Disney would do that by choice??? hell no they wouldn't... the fact is just because disney has created a Marvel production company does not change the process... it only changes who funds it and who profits.... the director still directs... and the last time i checked disney hasn't created any new directors for the sole purpose of directing marvel movies.... and if you want to get technical... Marvel isn't even Marvel any more.... its Walt Disney... so there will never be a movie that is Marvel through and through... just as there will never be a DC one.... If you want to say Disney has a perfect record making marvel movies... you can... well actually you cant because they haven't made any :/ I actually do not agree with much in this lol. Sorry but I cannot. The 5 films I am talking about are independent films. The ones you want to drop in the list are co-productions. It does not matter who owns Marvel at all. They are still Marvel made movies. Fox made the X-Men films. What you are talking about with Paramount is distribution and that will not last forever anyway. The only things that distributors do is get the movies out there.
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May 8, 2011 21:17:03 GMT -5
Post by substancedii on May 8, 2011 21:17:03 GMT -5
and p.s. its not that simple... fox does not get the right to do what ever the hell they want with it... there is a contract with guidelines... Marvel signed off on every script that went in to production...
I would argue that Marvel was approving bad scripts and Disney has been approving good one
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May 8, 2011 21:25:28 GMT -5
Post by substancedii on May 8, 2011 21:25:28 GMT -5
marvel studios is not independent... it is disney..... marvel has never made a movie and never will... Disney might have a marvel devision... but its still disney.... so why don't you just say that disney produces better movies then 20th century fox??? I can get behind that idea... and not just when it comes to marvel.... thats all it is... it has nothing to do with marvel... if it did they would have started an actual independent company and made their own movies before disney took them over. there is nothing independent about it.
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May 8, 2011 21:29:27 GMT -5
Post by ckal on May 8, 2011 21:29:27 GMT -5
substancedii- First of all, Marvel is a stand alone company owned by Disney. Disney did not create the Marvel Studios production company, as they acquired Marvel on December 31, 2009, which is after Marvel Studios started independently making films first released in 2008.
All other movies (as of yet) with Marvel characters that are not Iron Man, Hulk, Thor, or Captain America, are flying under a different studios' flag. Fox Studios for example is the studio behind all the X-Men movies, not Marvel Studios. Regardless of how much input Marvel Studios did or did not have in these movies, at the end of the day, it is still a Fox Studios movie. They make the decisions. You cannot blame Marvel Studios for these poor Marvel character based movies, as they did not independently make them.
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May 8, 2011 21:33:55 GMT -5
Post by substancedii on May 8, 2011 21:33:55 GMT -5
and as a distributor paramount does have some say... because they have the rights to distribute the movie... so it is in their interest to be involved... I would remind you of Watchman and the Hobbit.... Disney has most of the creative control.... but if paramount doesn't like it... its not getting done
so no its not 100% disney... maybe 98% but not 100%
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May 8, 2011 21:38:28 GMT -5
Post by substancedii on May 8, 2011 21:38:28 GMT -5
substancedii- First of all, Marvel is a stand alone company owned by Disney. Disney did not create the Marvel Studios production company, as they acquired Marvel on December 31, 2009, which is after Marvel Studios started independently making films first released in 2008. All other movies (as of yet) with Marvel characters that are not Iron Man, Hulk, Thor, or Captain America, are flying under a different studios' flag. Fox Studios for example is the studio behind all the X-Men movies, not Marvel Studios. Regardless of how much input Marvel Studios did or did not have in these movies, at the end of the day, it is still a Fox Studios movie. They make the decisions. You cannot blame Marvel Studios for these poor Marvel character based movies, as they did not independently make them. A stand alone company can not be owned by Disney.... because it doesn't "stand alone". When disney took control of the company it took control of all assets.... you can say its a devision of disney... they have many devisions... its not the same 2 people running everything.... but in the end its still disney....
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May 8, 2011 21:39:54 GMT -5
Post by substancedii on May 8, 2011 21:39:54 GMT -5
just like pixar....
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May 8, 2011 21:46:36 GMT -5
Post by Lunacyde Prime on May 8, 2011 21:46:36 GMT -5
Right $66 mil is not bad, but it isn't great either. At least for what they I assume were hoping for. Incredible Hulk opened with $55 mil and that under performed. I'm sure Marvel isn't really happy with this number, but they aren't too upset about it either. ...sigh. Lol. I understand you mean financially, but out of context it looks like the most fanboy-ish Nolan lover comment. I agree though, Marvel's four films so far have all been great, and most comic book fans are very happy with them. I seriously, SERIOUSLY hope Captain America does at least as well critically and financially as Thor, because if that movie flops, it would be a nightmare. One of Marvel's flag ship characters needs to be very well received. I want all of Marvels movies to do better critically and financially than The Incredible Hulk, but a movie like Ant-Man I care less about, but I still want it to be reviewed well, just so Marvel continues it's reputation for great quality movies. What I'm trying to say is; if Marvel ever has a dud, it better not be on one of their big name characters which is meant to be a massive block buster movie, and/or start a franchise. #1. TDK did well financially for a reason. It's a superior movie to anything Marvel has put out. That's not fanboyism, it's fact. The writing, acting, directing were all exceptionally good. The overall tone of the movie connected with the public and none of Marvel's movies have come close financially, or in total quality. #2. What do you mean if Marvel ever has a dud? What do you call the Hulk, Ghost Rider, and Elektra just to name a few?
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May 8, 2011 21:49:48 GMT -5
Post by substancedii on May 8, 2011 21:49:48 GMT -5
I dont know why people have such a huge problem admitting that Marvel is Disney... Disney is one of the 2 best film companies in the world... if i were a huge marvel fan I would personally be quite proud of that fact.... Marvel is not in any way, shape, or form and independent comic book company any more.... they are a devision of Walt Disney... just as DC is a devision of AOL TIme Warner.... one day they will probably even have cool marvel stuff at disneyland the same way that WB does DC stuff at their theme park... win win
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May 8, 2011 21:52:39 GMT -5
Post by substancedii on May 8, 2011 21:52:39 GMT -5
and by the way... Bugs Bunny would kick Mickey Mouse's ass... DC wins in the war of mother company mascots
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May 8, 2011 21:55:17 GMT -5
Post by Gender on May 8, 2011 21:55:17 GMT -5
I liked this movie a lot.
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May 8, 2011 21:58:34 GMT -5
Post by substancedii on May 8, 2011 21:58:34 GMT -5
hey i just had an idea.... Disney and WB could get together and do another Roger Rabbit Movie... and the story could be a dispute between disney and and WB character... So while Bugs is beating the shit out of mickey on the ground and the justice league is elsewhere beating the shit out of the avengers.... roger rabbit and baby herman could be engaging in a plot to kill them all... id go see it And this is the DC fan boy speaking
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May 8, 2011 22:37:11 GMT -5
Post by ckal on May 8, 2011 22:37:11 GMT -5
luna- I guess I have to explain it again. Marvel Studios has not made a dud. Their four movies so far have been considered by most people to at least be good.There have been Marvel hero movies that were horrible, but they weren't made by Marvel Studios.
substancedii- It's not at all that someone doesn't want to admit Marvel is owned by Disney. I personally think it is a great thing. Like I said, Marvel still operates itself as a company, much like Pixar. They are owned by Disney. It would be different if Disney bought out Marvel, then decided to drop the Marvel name, call them Disney, and get rid of all of Marvel's management.
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May 8, 2011 22:45:22 GMT -5
Post by ckal on May 8, 2011 22:45:22 GMT -5
luna- It is obviously your opinion that nothing Marvel has put out is even close to TDK in quality. I find that Iron Man is a very well rounded and admirably crafted film. The same things you said about TDK; the writing, directing, and acting being exceptional, you can say about Iron Man as well. I like TDK and it is a good movie, but I like it less every time I see it. Too many things about it annoy me. But that's a separate issue I don't feel like discussing.
TDK certainly connected on an other worldly level with people and I think tone does have a lot to do with it. The amount of money and impact on people's social lives when it was in theaters is something that rarely happens nowdays.
A lot of people enjoy and connect with Iron Man as well, evidenced by the combined $1.2 billion they have made world wide. It is a different way, more light hearted, and everyone loves RDJ as Tony Stark.
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May 8, 2011 23:41:02 GMT -5
Post by Sherlock Laforet on May 8, 2011 23:41:02 GMT -5
Was here to talk about Thor but....On Iron Man Vs TDK i personally liked TDK better though Iron Man was very good even if Johanson didnt put on an accent.I will never forgive here for that
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May 9, 2011 0:25:35 GMT -5
Post by Power NeXus on May 9, 2011 0:25:35 GMT -5
This conversation about companies and who ownes who and who is responsible for what has officially gotten too deep for me. I hardly have any idea what the heck you all are talking about anymore. :/
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May 9, 2011 0:34:20 GMT -5
Post by Erik-El on May 9, 2011 0:34:20 GMT -5
I dont know why people have such a huge problem admitting that Marvel is Disney... Disney is one of the 2 best film companies in the world... if i were a huge marvel fan I would personally be quite proud of that fact.... Marvel is not in any way, shape, or form and independent comic book company any more.... they are a devision of Walt Disney... just as DC is a devision of AOL TIme Warner.... one day they will probably even have cool marvel stuff at disneyland the same way that WB does DC stuff at their theme park... win win I do not know why you think people are trying to deny Marvel is owned by Disney. I am pretty sure I freely admitted that fact. But that is literally no different than DC being owned by TimeWarner. You are splitting hairs on verbage.
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May 9, 2011 0:38:13 GMT -5
Post by Erik-El on May 9, 2011 0:38:13 GMT -5
The simple fact of the matter is that Marvel Studios made the movies that have all been considered good movies. Other studios have made Marvel licensed movies that have ranged from good to utter shit.
When someone like Fox purchased the rights to a Marvel title for a movie, they do have things they can and cannot do with it but Marvel's control of the movie ends right there at the contract signing. From there, they are only source material and the contribution to the movie is only as consultants (when it is even asked for). If Marvel sees something they do not like for the movie, they cannot do shit about it unless it was previously signed into the contract.
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May 9, 2011 1:00:38 GMT -5
Post by substancedii on May 9, 2011 1:00:38 GMT -5
No.. What I'm getting at is... You seem to be suggesting that Disney just bought marvel and let them operate as if nothing has happend.... It is disneys money, disneys investment, and they out out to make a profit..... If you don't think Disney has a hand in every thing marvel is doing your nuts.... It is not not an independent company and it does not operate outside of disneys authority... Nor does dc outside of warner.... Marvel is a product of Disney.... Making movies is a complicated process... pre Disney or post Disney there is always someone funding marvel movies rather it be directly.... Or funneling it through "marvel studios"... Who every has the cash ultimately green lights a project... Prior to Disney there had to be a green light from marvel, who ever was funding a projec, and who ever was distributing the project... So sucsess or failure lultimitly lies in the hand of all 3 parties. Now that marvel and Disney are one entity... It requires only 2 green lights.... Disney and the distribute.... So it is still not nor will it ever be marvel through and through. The only thing that has ever changed is who has the money... That is what dictates everything... You can't claim marvel to be 100% sucsesfull.... Because they were involved in everything... The only difference is that they did not pay for the old one.... But they havnt really paid for anything..... Disney is a lot more picky then 20 century fox about what they will fund
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