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Post by Erik-El on Sept 17, 2011 21:32:35 GMT -5
Also if you ruled the world under one government, would you really need a military?
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Sept 17, 2011 21:38:31 GMT -5
Personally judging the value of every one of the 6+billion people on the planet will not only take up all your time, leaving none to actually run the world, but it would just be flat out impossible to accomplish. We're assuming one can make changes as we see fit (like taking over the world). However, the oversight won't come from myself personally. But instituted and carefully established governmental structure were regulations parameters and clear directives how to deal with a categories of behavior under a functional system of government. Under such you can deal with the individuals in the population as a whole in a fair manner. Promoting a profession does not mean people will pursue it. One of the reasons I am pursuing a life in the medical field (not the only one mind you) is because I want to improve MY quality of life. And I can guarantee you that it is at least a partial reason for literally everyone that became a doctor. Yes, and that is entirely reasonable. However, that doesn't mean one can ignore other functions or that those that occupy them are not necessary or shouldn't also be allowed to have everything they need to live a good life. Hence I would support doctors and implement policies to encourage them and implement regulations for ethical behavior in their profession. But that would not be done in a manner, that prevents a janitor from living well in his profession. Regardless of why he became a janitor. The very reason why people try for anything at all is in the pursuit of happiness. Taking care of trash is admittedly necessary to the cleanliness of society. But I can promise you that most people that work that type of career are capable of more. There are two people that get into the kind of work a janitor career is. They either had not the means to pursue better or did not try. I will be fucked if I am going to give up my future lifestyle so a lazy SOB that still does his job but does not do more than that can take part of what should have been mine through a lifetime of incredibly hard work. And mind you, my chosen future profession is one that I have to work harder at than the janitor indefinitely. Hell 5 years after I graduate medical school, half the things I learned will be out of date. Because this janitor is an equal citizen under the state and provides a necessary function. Regardless of why he is a janitor. We need him to perform that function and we cannot have a system where he is not equally protected under the law or allowed a chance at successful life. You are entitled to a good life and if you do become a doctor. The state will encourage your work and professional development. Reward your contribution. We will even provide you with the opportunity to update your education to stay up to date. But because of the needs of the entire state. Regardless of if your desire. We still need janitors and garbagemen. And in the interest of the entire state. It is entirely necessary and reasonable. That being a janitor or a garbageman should not be a profession and state of life where one cannot live well because one happens to be such. In my proposed system. Yes, you would have more benefits as a doctor because the state needs your contribution. But such rewards and increased benefits would never be done in a manner that would impede the state's ability to see to the basic needs of all citizens or it's ability to police and govern. Or would such be done in fashion where people in other professions cannot live well themselves (even if as a doctor you would live better thanks to governmental support for your profession).
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Post by Erik-El on Sept 17, 2011 21:53:37 GMT -5
This is not about trampling a janitor's rights so someone else can make more. I have worked just about every type of job one can work on only a high school education. I have never been a janitor but I have worked as a garbage man for a few months as a temp. I can tell you right now, most of the people who worked with me did not deserve more than they made (which was a very comfortable $14-18 per hour). The service is necessary but the work is almost non-existent.
The most difficult thing I ever had to do on route was ensure I completed my route on time (they are heavily monitored on time to ensure non-dicking off). I can rattle off a comparable example with just about any other type of work. The only type of job that I truly feel is underpaid is a server at a restaurant. Because if you did not make money in tips, you were fucked on your $2 per hour (federal law dictates that if you do not make tips that at least amounted to minimum wage, the eatery had to compensate. But guess how often that gets enforced...).
This is a huge problem for me. The poor always want to dip their hands into the pockets of the rich and that is not right. I am saying that as a poor person myself. If you want better, you should work for better, not take away from others. If you think that everyone should be given an opportunity for education great, I agree. But janitors and garbagemen do not deserve $80,000 per year to push a broom around and drive a truck to and fro respectively.
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Post by Dane on Sept 17, 2011 22:12:24 GMT -5
When you have nothing, and someone else has everything, an equal share seems very fair. This is communism from the outside.
When you have nothing, and everyone else has nothing, you already have an equal share and it doesn't seem very fair. This is communism from the inside.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Sept 18, 2011 7:44:58 GMT -5
Regardless of your experiences. There are many who work grueling difficult jobs but are woefully underpaid. And in addition, no one should ever find wanting for their basic needs. Everyone has a right to medical care, enough money to pay their bills and equal legal protection under the law and education
This is a basic human right all have an absolute right to
Everyone assumes I simply mean to make everything equal and take away all the money from everyone and even it out. Which isn't what I'm saying, exactly. What I'm talking about with redistribution of wealth is the need to fix issues of entire nations starving and not having their basic human needs fulfilled. There are countries where masses slave for 15 hour days and do not get paid more then few cents worth an hour. This kind of exploitation is repugnant and would not be tolerated if I ruled the world. No child should ever starve to death. Sick masses should have access to medical care.
It is however true that under the current system. Some jobs are completely overpaid while others are the opposite. I do not propose to punish rich people, nor to give freely to poor people just because they are poor. People who refuse to work or will not attend to their duties as a citizen of the state will not be tolerated. However, I posit that someone who is willing to work. Makes every effort to hold a job and do it within parameters where it is successfully done, pays his taxes and is a participating citizen of the state should never find themselves in a situation where they cannot live happily and be successful, even if that profession happens to be garbageman.
Taking into account the need to solve the crisis of third world countries. The entire system all the way down to base prices cost of living and such will be studied and changed. Afterward, large scale active programs of education combined with state work programs will be instituted within these countries. Combined with free health care and distribution of base needs. These programs will aim to not only create functioning government in those nations and to increase individual wealth to a point where they now have basic needs met and the opportunity to economically develop. Through programs and reorganizing of forces in poor nations. The nations will have the opportunity to become productive themselves. Furthermore, the state will provide incentive and reward to corporations and organization that bring investments in such nations and thus spread growing prosperity (leading to in turn a larger pool of wealth).
Companies will thus be encouraged to be responsible social participants and instead of simply exploiting resources for profits to their CEO. Eliminating poverty means encouraging meaningful economic development. That means eliminating outdated imperialistic models that simply exploit one group over another.
I resent my idea being compared to communism. Because I support market, money and responsible capitalism. However as a society. The basic needs of all need to be addressed and none should be allowed to have more then he needs to live at the expense that another would have less then he actually needs. When that happens, a necessary correction must be done. Then afterward systems implemented take over to make sure that tools and means are given to those in need to take care of themselves as individuals
I would not eliminate the army as they are necessary even in a unified world government. They provide a vital aspect to the state. Under my rule, the role of the army would shift to fit the new model. Soldiers and the army would become active and assigned to roles of crisis management such as natural disasters and logistics to programs that are multi-nation scale. Duties of peace keeping and security still remain. But as a force for peace and provide rapid response relief and activity for the state which includes the whole world. They will take a larger role in law enforcement and pan-region coordination. The army's role is not the same. But they are absolutely not to be eliminated. Their roles will change that is all.
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Sept 18, 2011 8:48:16 GMT -5
Coming from a former communist country, I resent the idea that we had nothing. Communism is very flawed, no doubt, but it's failure has as much to do with the Soviet block going about it in a rather retarded way as anything else.
And really, capitalism is not that better. Both fail miserably when introduced to the real world in their pure form. This is why most first world countries have a hybrid economy made from elements of both systems (Though undeniably more capitalist)
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Post by Dane on Sept 18, 2011 11:57:51 GMT -5
Phantom Stargrave actually I was more referencing how people in Russia got screwed over by Joseph Stalin. The promises of utopia that were handed out came to nothing because of human greed.
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Sept 18, 2011 12:37:26 GMT -5
Fair enough. But then Stalin was Stalin. He'd screw over any system anywhere because that's what paranoid tyrants with unlimited power do.
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Post by Lunacyde Prime on Sept 18, 2011 16:07:29 GMT -5
I think mandatory education is stupid. Education is something that you have to want to do, or it will just be a waste of resources.
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Post by Dane on Sept 19, 2011 2:01:35 GMT -5
What do you mean? Primary and high school are mandatory here, it's illegal to not send your child to school. You can home school them yourself but you also need to prove you have the intelligence to actually teach your child up to a grade 10 level.
It's not a bad thing at all. It's true you won't learn unless you want to but it's also true that if sit in class for 6 hours, whether you like it or not you'll pick up basic reading, writing, mathematics, etc.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Sept 19, 2011 10:07:41 GMT -5
I think mandatory education is stupid. Education is something that you have to want to do, or it will just be a waste of resources. To be an active and useful participant in the State one absolutely requires basic skills, knowledge and competence. Acquiring such knowledge is not negotiable. You must have this knowledge otherwise you will not be able to function in a modern society.
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Post by Lunacyde Prime on Sept 19, 2011 10:47:18 GMT -5
What do you mean? Primary and high school are mandatory here, it's illegal to not send your child to school. You can home school them yourself but you also need to prove you have the intelligence to actually teach your child up to a grade 10 level. It's not a bad thing at all. It's true you won't learn unless you want to but it's also true that if sit in class for 6 hours, whether you like it or not you'll pick up basic reading, writing, mathematics, etc. Likewise Elementary and High School is also required here legally. Public education, at least at my school was a joke. You had the upper 20% that actually gave a damn and tried, the middle 50% who got by because the concepts being discussed are so damn easy and simple and the work load was light, or sometimes by cheating and piggybacking on those who do try , and the bottom 30% who are a complete waste of the state's time and resources who put no effort in at all, doodle on tests, and disrupt classes for those who actually do try. These kids could not speak correct english, do simple math problems, or just plain refused to do any work. They are a burden on society, and personally I don't enjoy my taxes going towards trying to educate those who would use it at best as a social networking, at worst as a form of daycare.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Sept 19, 2011 11:00:22 GMT -5
Likewise Elementary and High School is also required here legally. Public education, at least at my school was a joke. You had the upper 20% that actually gave a damn and tried, the middle 50% who got by because the concepts being discussed are so damn easy and simple and the work load was light, or sometimes by cheating and piggybacking on those who do try , and the bottom 30% who are a complete waste of the state's time and resources who put no effort in at all, doodle on tests, and disrupt classes for those who actually do try. These kids could not speak correct english, do simple math problems, or just plain refused to do any work. They are a burden on society, and personally I don't enjoy my taxes going towards trying to educate those who would use it at best as a social networking, at worst as a form of daycare. What you show is failure in an educational system in the U.S (and most developed countries). Not the necessity of teaching and imparting the basic skills and knowledges all adults must possess to properly be a citizen of the state. The educational system needs stricter guidelines, firmer set of behavior and motivational systems and in turn with this. The workplace and social force a stricter admittance to participation and executive power. Under my world government, the entire education system will be reworked and upgraded. Lazy and unmotivated kids will not be allowed to get away with sloth or incompetence. If they absolutely refuse to fill the basic guidelines and needs to be a functioning member of the state. They will suffer the penalties of the law.
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Post by Lunacyde Prime on Sept 19, 2011 11:02:37 GMT -5
Alright. I can get along with that. I've always said at the very least you need to put policies in place to motivate or punish those who would abuse the system.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Sept 19, 2011 11:09:10 GMT -5
Alright. I can get along with that. I've always said at the very least you need to put policies in place to motivate or punish those who would abuse the system. You need both. Policies to motivate kids, reward them for hard work and dedication. Also once children have completed schooling. The state needs to help them and provide tools to properly integrate the work force, help them get jobs and enter society. Policies also need to be implemented to punish sloth, abuse and general behavior that is disruptive to the state because such behavior burdens the citizens of the state.
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Post by Lunacyde Prime on Sept 19, 2011 11:11:00 GMT -5
I believe after the high School years apprenticeship should be more widely used.
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Post by creator on Sept 19, 2011 11:23:14 GMT -5
Just let me rule the world. I'm smart enough to get it right and have a big enough ego to think that I will get it right
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Post by Supreme Marvel on Sept 19, 2011 11:24:24 GMT -5
You have to think you're the best. And then you have to make sure you're the best.
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Post by Lunacyde Prime on Sept 19, 2011 11:24:29 GMT -5
All hail Creator!
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Sept 19, 2011 11:36:44 GMT -5
Just let me rule the world. I'm smart enough to get it right and have a big enough ego to think that I will get it right I will rule the world, but creator will have a place in my world government.
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