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Post by jakefury on Feb 24, 2012 23:27:27 GMT -5
Ledgers! In your humble (not so humble for some of you) opinions, what is the best criminal organization in comics?
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Post by Beatboks on Feb 25, 2012 6:17:47 GMT -5
As much as I hate them. Intergang. No other criminal organization was founded on operated in such a way as to be unable to find by someone of Superman's level of senses. That in and of itself is very impressive. Continuing to operate and run criminal activities in the city protected by the man of steel for years undetected, dealing in weapons with the likes of Darkseid and others even more so. that's IMHO anyway.
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Post by Supreme Marvel on Feb 25, 2012 8:45:58 GMT -5
What , Beat' said, I will agree with. That seems very impressive.
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Post by Beatboks on Feb 25, 2012 9:26:21 GMT -5
Yeah at one stage it showed an underground network for distributing drugs to pushers, believe it or not using the sewer system. A pusher in the right toilet would have the drugs float up in special canisters and send the money the same way through an underground network. That way the only one who every had any evidence on them was the victim. The network of course would follow lead deposits or areas where the use of lead in construction was perfectly reasonable and expected. No one within the network even new the heads or the names of their direct overlords. When things did get close a seeming head of the organization was always found but it never seemed to actually stop it by taking them down (almost as if they were offered) In the Veitch Question mini it alluded to the fact that Luthor was the figurehead in more ways than one.
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Post by Prophet626 on Feb 25, 2012 18:56:13 GMT -5
DC - Luther
Marvel - Doom
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Feb 25, 2012 19:07:51 GMT -5
Do terrorist organizations like Hydra count?
The Intergang has the good fortune of being backed directly by Apokolips, so no matter what they can never be brought down so long as Darkseid has an interest in Earth. Aside from that, they haven't exactly dazed me with their brilliance.
On the other hand, it's hard to think of a fictional crime organization that has...
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Post by Beatboks on Feb 26, 2012 4:45:53 GMT -5
If they do than Kobra might top it. He's more terrorist IMO than criminal but his followers are loyal to death more so than others. They literally treat him as their deity . Certainly has an intricate and vast network as well ( hands everywhere and fingersin everything). Brother Blood started out the same but hasn't spread across as many of DCs titles to be in the running. Hydra SHould also be up there
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Feb 26, 2012 11:12:35 GMT -5
Marvel: The U.S Government
DC: The League of Assassins
IDW: Cobra!!!!
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Feb 26, 2012 16:59:01 GMT -5
Facepalm, League of Assassins, why didn't I think of them?
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Post by Supreme Marvel on Feb 26, 2012 21:30:47 GMT -5
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Post by Beatboks on Feb 27, 2012 3:01:47 GMT -5
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Post by Silver on Feb 27, 2012 5:40:31 GMT -5
Could any of the Lantern Corps be considered criminal organizations? Or would they be more intergalactic terrorist/war factions?
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Post by jakefury on Feb 27, 2012 19:03:44 GMT -5
Could any of the Lantern Corps be considered criminal organizations? Or would they be more intergalactic terrorist/war factions? I think those are valid points. |
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Post by DedmanWalkin on Mar 10, 2012 18:55:48 GMT -5
I don't consider outsmarting Superman to be too impressive. Superman is super stupid and a well known quantity thanks to all his publicity.
Also, Lex Luthor pretty much turned Metropolis into a Superman resistant city when he used B-13 tech to revitalize it. Batman takes advantage of this during Hush. Lex Luthor did most of Intergang's work.
As for the topic, Mr. Negative should get a nod here. He flourished in New York City despite ridiculous amounts of competition in the form of multiple crime syndicates (The Hood, Kingpin, Hydra, the Hand etc.) and the highest number of superheroes per capita in the world (The Avengers, Spider-man, Daredevil, Iron Fist etc.). He also functioned in relative anonymity until Aunt Mae happened to walk into Martin Li's charity.
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Mar 11, 2012 11:32:02 GMT -5
Also, Lex Luthor pretty much turned Metropolis into a Superman resistant city when he used B-13 tech to revitalize it. Batman takes advantage of this during Hush. Lex Luthor did most of Intergang's work. This is also true. Recent AC annual implies that the Intergang does hang out in Lex's shadow as a standard procedure. Lex, being the big fish in the city, tends to draw much of the superhero crap away from the smaller Intergang, allowing them to thrive despite Superman's immediate presence. Also, I don't think the Lantern corps count. The GLC are apparently ready to make peace treaties and wage wars on them, something you don't do with criminal organizations. |
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Post by Supreme Marvel on Mar 11, 2012 11:35:39 GMT -5
I'm still in agreement with, Crom with Marvel's ' best criminal organization'.  |
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Post by Silver on Mar 14, 2012 21:03:51 GMT -5
Also, I don't think the Lantern corps count. The GLC are apparently ready to make peace treaties and wage wars on them, something you don't do with criminal organizations. All right. Also, I have to kick myself for not remembering to mention the Hutts in SW. Their crime cartels are so powerful that in Hutt-controlled sectors of the galaxy, Republic representatives have to be extremely careful not to upset them for fear of repercussions. In fact, the Hutts-controlled space includes so many worlds and so many resources that they practically constitute an unofficial interplanetary government system second only to the Republic.  |
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Post by Beatboks on Mar 16, 2012 10:35:12 GMT -5
Pre L.E.G.I.O.N days how about the Cairn criminal empire. It stretched across Galaxies in DCU and had gone to the trouble of wetting up it's own pocket government and police force ( that it controlled ) so that when other planets came after it they'd always be warned when they came to their planets police force for assistance.
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Post by DedmanWalkin on Mar 16, 2012 16:25:11 GMT -5
Criminal Organizations operate outside the law and such cannot exist in places where the law has no influence or they themselves are the law.
Both the Hutts and the Cairn operate as de facto governments in places that are not governed by other governments meaning they are the government. If they are the government then they cannot be criminal organizations. They are at the very least rogue states but not criminal organizations despite whatever they may call themselves.
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Mar 17, 2012 6:13:21 GMT -5
Don't the Hutts operate inside the Empire? I mean there were Stormtroopers on Tatooine.
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