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Post by Prophet626 on Oct 11, 2012 20:00:42 GMT -5
Where would you rank Mister Sinister?
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Post by Erik-El on Oct 11, 2012 23:27:58 GMT -5
Where would you rank Mister Sinister? Dark Beast seemed below his Sinister. I would bet that 616 Sinister is smarter still, especially now that he has all those dupes that make improvements every time one becomes the main Sinister.
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Post by Beatboks on Oct 12, 2012 2:33:46 GMT -5
Erik-El you woulndn't remember by any chance the issues of the feats for WW I mentioned. to sve me flicking through a few hundred issues would u worst part is I'm damn sure i've some of the images ina debate b4 as well
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Post by Painkiller on Oct 12, 2012 8:28:41 GMT -5
Could we rank Superman a 9 or 10?
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Post by Erik-El on Oct 12, 2012 12:21:47 GMT -5
Erik-El you woulndn't remember by any chance the issues of the feats for WW I mentioned. to sve me flicking through a few hundred issues would u worst part is I'm damn sure i've some of the images ina debate b4 as well I do recall the work on the diseases. I believe it was volume 2 somewhere where she was working along side some of the great human minds to cure several diseases at once. But the only time I remember her working on the Healing Ray was Pre-Crisis, where she built the thing on the fly in an attempt to heal a mortally wounded Steve Trevor. The only other time I remember the Purple Ray being worked on was when it was converted to the Death Ray, which Wonder Woman was strictly opposed to, even if it cost the lives of all the Amazons during that whole OMAC ordeal.
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Post by creator on Oct 12, 2012 20:43:59 GMT -5
Could we rank Superman a 9 or 10? Not without a serious argument for him.
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Post by creator on Oct 12, 2012 20:46:22 GMT -5
Apologies for being away but I have been hard at work on the next set of grids. I promise next week I will be more active but I'm making a big push to get one of the more complex grids completed but also to make it easy to use.
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Post by Erik-El on Oct 12, 2012 21:56:15 GMT -5
Superman Earth One seemed very comfortably in 21 or 22.
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Post by creator on Oct 12, 2012 23:05:19 GMT -5
Superman Earth One seemed very comfortably in 21 or 22. Evidence for this ?
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Post by creator on Oct 12, 2012 23:13:53 GMT -5
Oh ok, I knew he had his own company but couldn't remember if he actually did anything noteworthy on panel. he has discussed electrical systems with Stark and has discussed general science with Beast but that's it o my knowledge. He got an advnced degree (Masters) in Electrical Engineering so he must be quite bright as Electrical Eng is quite a tough subject. I know and work with engineers of this discipline and you need to be fairly smart to pass.
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Post by creator on Oct 12, 2012 23:17:37 GMT -5
As a bit of a Colossus fan, I can't help but take issue with seeing him ranked the same as notable dimwits like Electro, Juggernaut, and Hercules. Colossus has never done anything really significant apart from show some talent as an artist. I don't count learning English ( written and verbal) because so many average people do the same. And being ranked in the same rank as them does not make them equal.
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Post by Erik-El on Oct 12, 2012 23:24:04 GMT -5
Superman Earth One seemed very comfortably in 21 or 22. Evidence for this ? In the one instance where he was job hunting. We walks into a showroom where he sees a section of a formula that he had never seen before but some of the best minds on the planet had been wrestling with for X amount of time. He glances at it and without having any prior knowledge of it or even having a formal education beyond what you can get from a small town college, he writes the rest of the formula in an instant.
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Post by Erik-El on Oct 12, 2012 23:25:04 GMT -5
As a bit of a Colossus fan, I can't help but take issue with seeing him ranked the same as notable dimwits like Electro, Juggernaut, and Hercules. Colossus has never done anything really significant apart from show some talent as an artist. I don't count learning English ( written and verbal) because so many average people do the same. And being ranked in the same rank as them does not make them equal. Pretty sure he only learned English because Xavier dumped it in his brain when he first joined the X-Men. I think he did that to all the foreign characters for that first new team.
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Post by creator on Oct 13, 2012 0:08:43 GMT -5
I am only looking at the characters I had reservations about. Rank 3 Archangel Gambit Green Arrow Hawkeye Namor Nightcrawler Storm Thor Wonderman Just out of curiosity, what exactly have any of these characters done to prove they are better than average or among the best intellect in a city? Thor and Namor especially. Storm and Archangel I can maybe see cases made for, maybe the New 52 Green Arrow as well. But Thor?I don't think I suggested them all at this rank but let's see, Archangel was a sharp business man (at least for a while). Gambit has always meant to be quick witted, keenly observant etc Green Arrow was a skilled business man and has some tinkering science / technology skills Hawkeye has some significant tactical abilities Namor was portrayed in at least his own title as having a superior general knowledge and a reasonably skilled business man Nightcrawler -no idea Storm for tactical ability, displayed leadership and ambassador skills Thor because despite being a product of a warrior god race, he has on several occasions broke the mold and used his brains for tactics, leadership etc Wonderman for earning an advanced degree in electrical eng. To become a test pilot still means you have to pass the equivalent degree courses in Aviation. Luke Cage was meant to know several languages and as shown more recently, he has tactical and leaadership skills that show he is more intelligent than he looks. Part of this rating came I think from a discussion with Static a very long time ago. I cannot recall why Aquaman placed here. Likewise for Wolverine. He is smarter than most people credit him but I'm not sure about a 5 rank. I would also put WW above him. Havoc has a masters in Geophysics and was doing research in the field with Polaris. So he is quite smart. Added to this his tactical and leadership demonstrations. Do you mean standard superman ? This is Forges baseline intellect, not counting his mutation, which provides him with a much higher rank. Bishop has shown some advanced science / tech skills, particularly around cybernetics and time travel. Fisk is really smart. He's a business and criminal mastermind. He manipulates and has plots within plots. I don't recall scoring shadowcat that high. She is a genius but I agree with you. I'm not a 100% that Dark Beast exactly equals Beast. But I agree that Beast should T least equal to Prof X and Magneto. I would drop Nightwing down the ranks. He has some broad science skills, great criminology and deductive skills but I don't think he is a 16. I'm open on this one but Batmans broad knowledge but utter mastership of deduction, cryptology and criminology should rate him highly. Irons is a genius and yes I think he comes up with ideas batman would not but I think irons lacks the breadth of Batmans knowledge. Stark is a master of a tight field of engineering and has good business skills and some lower level science skills. Reed has a higher level of skill in more areas and his general creativity is also higher IMO. Now Pym.....everyone puts Pym down but he is a better chemist / biochemist than even Reed is, than maybe even Beast is. Added to that he has massive skills in Robotics, particle physics and biology. A broader range than Stark and to a similar level (it could be argued). Long ago before the advent of Geoff Fu(@ing Johns, the Time Trapper, was a massively intelligent, scientifically advanced being, with science even Brainiac had to ponder. His science was easily on par with New Genesis /Apocalyptian tech. Hope this helps. Make some suggestions with goods examples and lets make the changes.
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Post by creator on Oct 13, 2012 0:16:08 GMT -5
Rank 2 Iceman Thing Rank 3 Hawkeye Rank 4 Falcon Rank 5 Huntress I don't agree with the following. Why are Iceman and Thing, who has a scientific background IIRC, in the same category as Electro and Scorpion? I would say either move Electro and Scorpion down, or these two up. I think Hawkeye should be further up as well. He has pretty good deductive skills and is very tactically gifted. He been able to escape a fortress of armed assassins. He had to go get his bow and arrows, then escape successfully. Add that to his showings against the Batroc Brigade and the Thunderbolts, and I think he should get a 4 or 5. What has Falcon done to suggest he should get a 4? I've never seen anything to suggest he is that intelligent. I've never seen anything to suggest his more intelligent than your average man, in fact. Huntress being on this level is astounding to me. I've only seen her as a brash fighter without planning. She doesn't have any scientific knowledge and her detective skills are mediocre at best IMO. Also, props for putting Edward Nigma where he deserves to be. I would move Thing up as he handles advanced ships with ease and employs advanced avionics know how like its nothing, but explain why iceman should move. No idea why Huntress is a 5 other than deduction skills. Assemble some evidence for Hawkeye and let's review it. Falcon has learnt advanced science and engineering skills from Wakandian engineers and made repairs /modifications to his wings. Not sure if this puts him at 4.
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Post by creator on Oct 13, 2012 0:17:38 GMT -5
Where would you rank Mister Sinister? Maybe rank 19
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Post by creator on Oct 13, 2012 0:19:32 GMT -5
In the one instance where he was job hunting. We walks into a showroom where he sees a section of a formula that he had never seen before but some of the best minds on the planet had been wrestling with for X amount of time. He glances at it and without having any prior knowledge of it or even having a formal education beyond what you can get from a small town college, he writes the rest of the formula in an instant. Is this post 52 superman ?
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Post by Erik-El on Oct 13, 2012 0:41:29 GMT -5
I think it is completely safe to assume Hal Jordan cheated on that equivalent degree course. Knowing multiple languages might get you an above average but 2 tiers? Gambit knows several languages and only is a 3. Didn't know about Havok's masters degree. To counter that though, I have seen Big Bang Theory. No one respects the guy with a masters. Yes, I meant standard Superman. But what evidence has been given for Forge's non-power-influenced intellect? Bishop is just a product of his time though. I would not consider myself smarter than the fictional Sherlock Holmes but I know how to use an ipad and such a device would make him lock himself in his room taking cocaine for weeks. I think anyone would have a hard time arguing against DBeast being equal to Beast. After all, Beast did seek out DBeast when he could not solve the mystery of Decimation. That means Beast at least acknowledges DBeast's brilliance, as much as it sickens him. And DBeast had never been hampered down by ethics and morals. He is Beast gone mad. Superman seems to have a wide range of knowledge in all the sciences. I am not sure if that trumps Batman's range but I still believe Superman's tighter focus outstrips Batman's ability in similar areas. Still not sure about Irons. He has some neato inventions but so did Batman. Some of his armors for example. I would say Stark's field of engineering is vast. He probably has mastered every area actually. He has displayed mastery of aerospace, applied, civil, chemical, electrical, engineering science, financial, industrial, material, mechanical, military, petroleum, planetary, software, and systems engineering. Forge cannot even make that claim on most of these. I am not going to be able to fight too much about Pym but I do not believe he is smarter than Reed in any area. Reed can cheat. It was what he did to just experience what it was like to be on the level of intellect Stark was on in engineering.
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Post by Erik-El on Oct 13, 2012 0:42:32 GMT -5
In the one instance where he was job hunting. We walks into a showroom where he sees a section of a formula that he had never seen before but some of the best minds on the planet had been wrestling with for X amount of time. He glances at it and without having any prior knowledge of it or even having a formal education beyond what you can get from a small town college, he writes the rest of the formula in an instant. Is this post 52 superman ? No this was the Earth One mini. Alterante universe. Batman has an Earth One mini out as well now. Think of it as DC's answer to Marvel's Ultimate universe.
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Post by Beatboks on Oct 13, 2012 9:19:25 GMT -5
@ creator, thoughts on my suggestion for Brainiac, and the furhter discussion on Ultra et all.
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