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Post by Erik-El on Jun 5, 2011 14:45:21 GMT -5
I think that Batman has better knowledge in tactics, strategy and criminology but he pales to Stark in every other area. Furthermore I do not believe Bruce to be better at tactics and strategy than Steve Rogers. Thats true but its has proven easier to rank the 'scientists' as they have far more feats on show. I agree. I just think people are giving Batman too much credit. He gets an incredible boost from his strategic mind but Steve Rogers (who has a comparable strategic mind) sits at about half the rank.
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Post by creator on Jun 5, 2011 15:34:33 GMT -5
Thats true but its has proven easier to rank the 'scientists' as they have far more feats on show. I agree. I just think people are giving Batman too much credit. He gets an incredible boost from his strategic mind but Steve Rogers (who has a comparable strategic mind) sits at about half the rank. I diagree slightly. Batman has such a wide range of knowledge - superhumans, deduction, espionage, languages, sciences, history etc that hsi rank is deserved but Rogers does not have this broad focus. Batman out thinks many opponents. Rogers has mostly outfaught them.
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Post by Erik-El on Jun 5, 2011 15:49:23 GMT -5
Batman has a wide range of knowledge but the depth of that knowledge is not staggering save for his detective skills. I do not believe he is even among the smartest out of DC humans when weighing his overall intellect. His engineering and sciences intellect is impressive but I think Peter Parker has him beat in those areas. The only area he dominates is the general area of detective skills and Tim has him beat on that according to what is said about him. So Batman is the jack of all trades, master of none kind of genius.
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Post by creator on Jun 5, 2011 17:43:50 GMT -5
Batman has a wide range of knowledge but the depth of that knowledge is not staggering save for his detective skills. I do not believe he is even among the smartest out of DC humans when weighing his overall intellect. His engineering and sciences intellect is impressive but I think Peter Parker has him beat in those areas. The only area he dominates is the general area of detective skills and Tim has him beat on that according to what is said about him. So Batman is the jack of all trades, master of none kind of genius. Should Mr Terrific be above Batman ? At the moment I am tending to think so. So I have updated the list accordingly.
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Post by Supreme Marvel on Jun 5, 2011 17:51:07 GMT -5
One of my favourite deductions of Batman was when Deadman possessed Alfred. Walked into a room where Bruce is busy with something. And before Deadman, in Alfed's body can pretend scare him, Batman says "What do you want Deadman?" and Deadman's reply "You know, when a ghost cant sneak up on you, something is very wrong."
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Post by creator on Jun 5, 2011 18:38:11 GMT -5
One of my favourite deductions of Batman was when Deadman possessed Alfred. Walked into a room where Bruce is busy with something. And before Deadman, in Alfed's body can pretend scare him, Batman says "What do you want Deadman?" and Deadman's reply "You know, when a ghost cant sneak up on you, something is very wrong." LOL. Absolutely classic. He recognised the body movements were different and has Deadman's walk / body posture memorised.
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Post by Supreme Marvel on Jun 5, 2011 18:42:08 GMT -5
But, he wasn't even looking at him. That's what made it more astonishing. I was like
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Post by Supreme Marvel on Jun 5, 2011 18:43:36 GMT -5
And I remember, in Batman and Robin, I think it was that. Deadman possessed Damien, and Dick didn't know who it was right away. While Bruce would. I enjoyed the fact that you could tell them apart.
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Post by creator on Jun 5, 2011 18:48:11 GMT -5
And I remember, in Batman and Robin, I think it was that. Deadman possessed Damien, and Dick didn't know who it was right away. While Bruce would. I enjoyed the fact that you could tell them apart. Good point.
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Post by DedmanWalkin on Jun 5, 2011 20:49:56 GMT -5
Did Bruce build the Insider Suit or his Superman Suit or was that someone else? Aren't these suits far in excess of the Iron Man Armor? If he did build them then he should be higher than Tony Stark.
Steve Rogers is potentially as smart as Tony Stark given that Tony is essentially the Peak of Human Intellect. The Super Soldier Serum grants him peak traits across the board. We know that includes the brain because he has an eidetic memory.
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Post by creator on Jun 6, 2011 6:09:48 GMT -5
Did Bruce build the Insider Suit or his Superman Suit or was that someone else? Aren't these suits far in excess of the Iron Man Armor? If he did build them then he should be higher than Tony Stark. Steve Rogers is potentially as smart as Tony Stark given that Tony is essentially the Peak of Human Intellect. The Super Soldier Serum grants him peak traits across the board. We know that includes the brain because he has an eidetic memory. Steve might be the pinnacle of humanity but it is not often shown mentally.
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Post by Erik-El on Jun 6, 2011 10:51:58 GMT -5
Did Bruce build the Insider Suit or his Superman Suit or was that someone else? Aren't these suits far in excess of the Iron Man Armor? If he did build them then he should be higher than Tony Stark. Lol explain how either of those suits are "far in excess" of the Iron Man armor?
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Post by ckal on Jun 6, 2011 12:11:33 GMT -5
Did Bruce build the Insider Suit or his Superman Suit or was that someone else? Aren't these suits far in excess of the Iron Man Armor? If he did build them then he should be higher than Tony Stark. Steve Rogers is potentially as smart as Tony Stark given that Tony is essentially the Peak of Human Intellect. The Super Soldier Serum grants him peak traits across the board. We know that includes the brain because he has an eidetic memory. Lol what kind of a post is this? Is this serious?
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Post by Admin on Jun 6, 2011 12:23:00 GMT -5
Based on the heated tone of this conversation, I thought I would be kind and give everyone here a scan to use if needed.
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Post by DedmanWalkin on Jun 7, 2011 0:16:11 GMT -5
The Superman Suit of which I speak grants him Superman-level attributes which are far in excess of Iron Man's suit. To build a suit of armor that grants Batman essentially 10 ranks higher in speed and strength should put him above Tony Stark. If I invent a gun that can shoot 1 bullet a second and you invent a gun that shoots 10 bullets a second then you should be smarter than me. If Batman did build the Superman Suit then he built a far superior suit which should put him higher than Stark.
I know that Steve's intellect is not often mentioned but he should by all rights have enough intellect to compete with Tony Stark. I realize that without feats we can't rank him higher, I just thought I would mention it.
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Post by spidey_17 on Jun 7, 2011 0:37:55 GMT -5
Steve's intellect is not really on par with Stark. Maybe his mind operates on peak levels, but that does not mean that he is as knowledgeable as Stark is.
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Post by DedmanWalkin on Jun 7, 2011 1:29:11 GMT -5
He has an eidetic memory, he can remember anything and everything he has ever seen exactly as it was. To become as knowledgeable as Stark, all he would have to do is read about it or have it explained to him. I wish he would be used for more than just butt kicking and leading as he could be so much more. It is kind of like how Superman has genius level intellect and access to incredibly advanced technology and an entire database of advanced science but commonly gets showed up by Batman in intelligence. He should be smarter than Batman but because of plot and his own CIS that he is limited to being primarily muscle.
By the way, has Superman been ranked yet?
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Post by Erik-El on Jun 7, 2011 1:42:48 GMT -5
The Superman Suit of which I speak grants him Superman-level attributes which are far in excess of Iron Man's suit. To build a suit of armor that grants Batman essentially 10 ranks higher in speed and strength should put him above Tony Stark. If I invent a gun that can shoot 1 bullet a second and you invent a gun that shoots 10 bullets a second then you should be smarter than me. If Batman did build the Superman Suit then he built a far superior suit which should put him higher than Stark. Feats that prove this? Because the suit I saw did not do much of anything.
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Post by creator on Jun 7, 2011 2:28:08 GMT -5
The Superman Suit of which I speak grants him Superman-level attributes which are far in excess of Iron Man's suit. To build a suit of armor that grants Batman essentially 10 ranks higher in speed and strength should put him above Tony Stark. If I invent a gun that can shoot 1 bullet a second and you invent a gun that shoots 10 bullets a second then you should be smarter than me. If Batman did build the Superman Suit then he built a far superior suit which should put him higher than Stark. I know that Steve's intellect is not often mentioned but he should by all rights have enough intellect to compete with Tony Stark. I realize that without feats we can't rank him higher, I just thought I would mention it. Actually the gun firing bullets is not a good analogy. For instance you can have a very old rotating barrel gun from the 1850's puting out a lot of bullets but it is old tech vs say a new handgun. One is far more compact than the other (minturisation of technology is advanced science), one has a much greater chance to jam / fail etc. One could be based on others work and thus not innovative. There are lots of other aspects to take in to account.
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Post by ckal on Jun 7, 2011 8:26:27 GMT -5
Even if you want to use the argument that Steve is peak level intelligence so he should be at least as smart as Tony will not work. Tony is no longer human, he is something completely more advanced. He is above peak human. If you read his on-going you would realize this.
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