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Post by Erik-El on Dec 24, 2012 8:56:23 GMT -5
Oh noes! Marvel Crisis!!!
If Marvel were to reboot their entire universe, start from day one of every character's heroic career, what characters would be "must haves" for this new universe? What things would you make different? What things would you keep the same? What teams and titles would you want? How about creative teams for your favorite characters and/or teams?
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Post by Supreme Marvel on Dec 24, 2012 9:17:27 GMT -5
I'd keep Daredevil the same. He doesn't need a change. Proof. I'm still reading them. There need to be more diversity throughout the books. We know Batman gets a lot of books, thats because loads of people like reading Batman and Gotham stuff. We need less of Wolverine and everyone he can be with along with all them X-books. You can see with the 52 that they're giving room for all kinds of stuff. I'd like that about Marvel. They have the fan base to try strange things. Even if it is rubbish, people will still buy it. They need to take more chances.
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Post by jakefury on Dec 24, 2012 9:30:42 GMT -5
Movie-Verse Reboot!
Just kidding.
Alright, so here goes nothing. WW2, Captain America and the Invaders wage war against the Nazis across most of the planet. Unknown to them, the Nazis are secretly allied with the Skrulls. (kind of like the Ultimate universe) The Invaders include Cap, Namor, Bucky Barnes, Union Jack and an android Human Torch. They fight the good fight but realize they're hopelessly outmatched against the combination of the Nazi war machine and the advanced Skrull tech.
However, the war shifts when the Nazis begin weapons testing in the Norway region. One of their experimental weapons disturbs an old Viking burial site thus drawing the attention of Odin, He dispatched his son Thor to assist the allies in the war. Needless to say, this addition propels the Allies to victory in the war.
After the war Namor returns to Atlantis and Captain America sees what kind of influence a team of super powered individuals can have on the world. Recognizing the threat of extraterrestials he forms an early team called the Avengers that include himself, Bucky and Thor as founding members. Namor gives them an assist from time to time but the team retains the core group throughout the years.
During the 1950s, they add members like the Sentry and continue to add to their ranks as the years go by. They are also sanctioned by the UN thus giving the group an international flair and they also have mansions all over the world.
To be continued....
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Post by jakefury on Dec 24, 2012 10:51:37 GMT -5
I'd keep Daredevil the same. He doesn't need a change. Proof. I'm still reading them. There need to be more diversity throughout the books. We know Batman gets a lot of books, thats because loads of people like reading Batman and Gotham stuff. We need less of Wolverine and everyone he can be with along with all them X-books. You can see with the 52 that they're giving room for all kinds of stuff. I'd like that about Marvel. They have the fan base to try strange things. Even if it is rubbish, people will still buy it. They need to take more chances. Wolverine is a cash cow for Marvel. He's going to be in as many books as people will continue to buy. There is zero chance of them removing him from books as long as they sell. Same goes for any popular character from Marvel or DC where there's a buck to be made.
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Post by Supreme Marvel on Dec 24, 2012 11:18:36 GMT -5
The majority of the Bat books are good. They balance it out with male and female series. Although I do wish Dark Knight would go. Not as good as the others.
Can you say all the X and Wolverine books are just as good as one another?
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Post by jakefury on Dec 24, 2012 11:25:58 GMT -5
IMO, the Bat books are a mixed bag just like the X-Books. In the new DC the crossovers are hurting their quality just like AvX derailed the Avengers and X-Books for several months. right now the only Bat or X-Books I am reading are Batman Inc (highly enjoyable but it's basically an out of canon story), The Dark Knight (dropping it after the Scarecrow arc) and all-New X-Men which I've really enjoyed.
I really liked the first arc of Batman & Robin and Court of Owls was cool. But I am just not feeling the Death of the Family stuff. I liked the Red Hood tie in but the Batman stuff has been kind of silly.
I don't read Wolverine solo books so I can't comment on them. When it comes to Wolverine I've always preferred him in team books.
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Post by jakefury on Dec 24, 2012 11:28:49 GMT -5
Erik, sorry to derail your thread. Gonna move the last few comments.
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Post by Power NeXus on Dec 24, 2012 11:31:33 GMT -5
Nightcrawler alive. And using swords more.
Spider-Man back with MJ.
Cyclops not the leader of the X-Men anymore. (He was a cool character until he became top dog. Now he's just a prick).
Team-up of Spider-Man, Nightcrawler, and Hawkeye.
Emma Frost dead.
Emma Frost resurrected only to be killed again five minutes later.
Bring peeps like Prowler, Cardiac, Rocket Racer, etc, out of character limbo. Maybe give one of them a spot on a cool team instead of just using Wolverine again.
Take Toad seriously for once.
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Post by Erik-El on Dec 24, 2012 15:02:14 GMT -5
Movie-Verse Reboot! Just kidding. Alright, so here goes nothing. WW2, Captain America and the Invaders wage war against the Nazis across most of the planet. Unknown to them, the Nazis are secretly allied with the Skrulls. (kind of like the Ultimate universe) The Invaders include Cap, Namor, Bucky Barnes, Union Jack and an android Human Torch. They fight the good fight but realize they're hopelessly outmatched against the combination of the Nazi war machine and the advanced Skrull tech. However, the war shifts when the Nazis begin weapons testing in the Norway region. One of their experimental weapons disturbs an old Viking burial site thus drawing the attention of Odin, He dispatched his son Thor to assist the allies in the war. Needless to say, this addition propels the Allies to victory in the war. After the war Namor returns to Atlantis and Captain America sees what kind of influence a team of super powered individuals can have on the world. Recognizing the threat of extraterrestials he forms an early team called the Avengers that include himself, Bucky and Thor as founding members. Namor gives them an assist from time to time but the team retains the core group throughout the years. During the 1950s, they add members like the Sentry and continue to add to their ranks as the years go by. They are also sanctioned by the UN thus giving the group an international flair and they also have mansions all over the world. To be continued.... So in a reboot, you would like to see Captain America not be frozen?
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Post by Erik-El on Dec 24, 2012 15:04:37 GMT -5
Nightcrawler alive. And using swords more. Spider-Man back with MJ. Cyclops not the leader of the X-Men anymore. (He was a cool character until he became top dog. Now he's just a prick). Team-up of Spider-Man, Nightcrawler, and Hawkeye. Emma Frost dead. Emma Frost resurrected only to be killed again five minutes later. Bring peeps like Prowler, Cardiac, Rocket Racer, etc, out of character limbo. Maybe give one of them a spot on a cool team instead of just using Wolverine again. Take Toad seriously for once. You want Nightcrawler to use swords more but still have a no kill policy, right? This thread assumes a reboot like DC, so Emma would not have to have the qualities that make you want to kill her repeatedly. Is there a specific reason you want to see more of the D-Listers? I am actually interested in some of them myself but I want to know your reasoning for having them in a "brand new" universe.
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Post by jakefury on Dec 24, 2012 15:09:55 GMT -5
Movie-Verse Reboot! Just kidding. Alright, so here goes nothing. WW2, Captain America and the Invaders wage war against the Nazis across most of the planet. Unknown to them, the Nazis are secretly allied with the Skrulls. (kind of like the Ultimate universe) The Invaders include Cap, Namor, Bucky Barnes, Union Jack and an android Human Torch. They fight the good fight but realize they're hopelessly outmatched against the combination of the Nazi war machine and the advanced Skrull tech. However, the war shifts when the Nazis begin weapons testing in the Norway region. One of their experimental weapons disturbs an old Viking burial site thus drawing the attention of Odin, He dispatched his son Thor to assist the allies in the war. Needless to say, this addition propels the Allies to victory in the war. After the war Namor returns to Atlantis and Captain America sees what kind of influence a team of super powered individuals can have on the world. Recognizing the threat of extraterrestials he forms an early team called the Avengers that include himself, Bucky and Thor as founding members. Namor gives them an assist from time to time but the team retains the core group throughout the years. During the 1950s, they add members like the Sentry and continue to add to their ranks as the years go by. They are also sanctioned by the UN thus giving the group an international flair and they also have mansions all over the world. To be continued.... So in a reboot, you would like to see Captain America not be frozen? Being long lived due to the SS serum I don't think its needed.
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Post by Erik-El on Dec 25, 2012 15:44:35 GMT -5
So in a reboot, you would like to see Captain America not be frozen? Being long lived due to the SS serum I don't think its needed. Very good point. I guess I just like the idea of Captain America going through the culture shock of being in America at its best and then waking up to the state of the nation now. It wasn't really played on in the 616 universe, he adjusted almost perfectly. But in the movie-verse and the ultimate universe, it was extremely hard on him. I like that a lot because I like the idea of him representing the perfect American ideal and being disappointed with America as it is. On the other hand, in a reboot where he never went to sleep, I imagine the world would be a very different place than it is today. Especially if he had the Avengers handle most of the crisises of world history. Very cool idea General.
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Post by Erik-El on Dec 25, 2012 16:14:33 GMT -5
In my reboot, I would sweep away most of the characters I don't care about. I have put a fair amount of thought into this and what I have come up with is a darker, more grounded universe. Characters like Squirrel Girl do not exist. Deadpool does but it is more akin to classic Deadpool. But to give you guys the cliff-note version... The beginning of the super hero age starts with Captain America and the Invaders (as most do in Marvel) and he does get frozen. He is one of the best martial artists in the world as he and a few other of the great Marvel fighters received their training from Wolverine when he was a government agent. And that is the thing, Wolverine in this universe is no joke ever. In my reboot, he has the same healing factor as 616 but you would almost never know it because he is not lazy and self-destructive like 616 Wolverine. And instead of being used to show how cool a character is by beating him, a character would be considered cool simply because Wolverine didn't kill them in a fight. He is the end-all-be-all fighter of the Marvel U. All the best fighters in the U get their training from him (with the exception of Iron Fist... But Wolverine was a student of the K'un-L'un). Also Wolverine is much more samurai in this U. Very classic Wolverine as far as personality goes. In a novel I read about Wolverine, it had him as more than 10,000 years old and had him present in every major war in history. I would adopt that into my U's Wolverine as well because that is pretty BA. Achilles was his pupil. The X-Men will be new, all teenagers this time. Wolverine is not part of them. I like him better solo. Mostly the popular mutants would be at the school but only a select few of the seniors are X-Men. Magneto runs the school and Xavier is not really in the picture much. He is out recruiting so his presence is minimal. But I think the problems of mutants would be very tangible because I would relate it a lot to gun control issues as far as how polarized people are on the issues. It would be less about teen angst about being different (though that would be there as well to appeal to teens) and more about legal issues and mutant terrorism from radicals. The villains would be the Brotherhood. Not Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, just the Brotherhood and it would be my goal to make them a rebelling cause one would sympathize with. So it would be hard to cast them as true villains aside from some of their methods. Eventually, their stance would appeal to Magneto (probably an attack on the school like in New X-Men with Stryker), which causes him so much hurt that in his mind, he decides that he will do what he must to prevent a second holocaust (since my Magneto will still be a holocaust survivor). Maybe the attack will result in Xavier's death and Magneto loved him like war buddies love each other. Something very real. Something big that is too big to ignore. He leaves the school and takes over the Brotherhood, making them much more organized and much more dangerous. I like many aspects of the Ultimates and the movieverse Avengers so I would incorporate a lot of both into my Avengers team. I like that the Ultimates fix world problems rather than saving the planet in all the time. So I would have them address many real world problems. It makes sense with Captain America's personality anyway. No chest-beating from him, he just gets things done. They are very involved with mutant affairs too so the X-Men would be a much less isolated title, especially since the X-Men will be run by kids mostly. The Fantastic Four would not be super heroes so much as actual problem solvers. With how smart Reed is, there is no reason why he should not have solved the energy crisis in the 616 universe so that would be settled in my U. I think Reed would bring in the big brains of the planet to help too. He would still have the important villains to fight like Doom, the Wizard, and the other big ones. They wouldn't be the Fantastic Four in my U, they would just be the Future Foundation. I liked the aspirations of the Future Foundation... even though few of them were realized in the comic lol. And gosh darn it, I love the Eternals. So they would have a role in my U as well. Ikaris and Thena are awesome characters. They need some love. So the reboot would be a very different Earth than this one or the 616 and I think that is okay.
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Post by Erik-El on Dec 25, 2012 16:25:40 GMT -5
However, the war shifts when the Nazis begin weapons testing in the Norway region. One of their experimental weapons disturbs an old Viking burial site thus drawing the attention of Odin, He dispatched his son Thor to assist the allies in the war. Needless to say, this addition propels the Allies to victory in the war. This is actually so awesome, I am tempted to swipe it lol. It is such a great and unique way to incorporate Thor into a rebooted Marvel U.
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Post by jakefury on Dec 25, 2012 19:36:23 GMT -5
Thanks!
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Post by Dane on Dec 26, 2012 22:05:40 GMT -5
Honestly they just need classic era concepts and well written stories. I doubt they'll have either in the next decade.
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Post by Power NeXus on Dec 27, 2012 22:10:25 GMT -5
Nightcrawler alive. And using swords more. Spider-Man back with MJ. Cyclops not the leader of the X-Men anymore. (He was a cool character until he became top dog. Now he's just a prick). Team-up of Spider-Man, Nightcrawler, and Hawkeye. Emma Frost dead. Emma Frost resurrected only to be killed again five minutes later. Bring peeps like Prowler, Cardiac, Rocket Racer, etc, out of character limbo. Maybe give one of them a spot on a cool team instead of just using Wolverine again. Take Toad seriously for once. You want Nightcrawler to use swords more but still have a no kill policy, right? This thread assumes a reboot like DC, so Emma would not have to have the qualities that make you want to kill her repeatedly. Is there a specific reason you want to see more of the D-Listers? I am actually interested in some of them myself but I want to know your reasoning for having them in a "brand new" universe. Basically yes. I'd like to see Nightcrawler pretty much as he was in Excalibur (minus the temporary weakening of his teleportation). When I was first getting into Marvel, his use of swords is one of the things that drew me in to Nightcrawler in the first place. I've always been a serious sucker for good old fashioned swashbuckling. No, I'd want Emma to have generally the same qualities. Otherwise, her death wouldn't be satisfying. I would either 1) leave her out of the rebooted universe completely, 2) make her a villian again (she was always a much better villian than a hero), or 3) make her pretty much the same as she is right now and then kill her off. I want to see more of the D-Listers because I think we can all agree we're getting tired of seeing the same faces in every single title. Wolverine and Spider-Man are in half the titles Marvel is putting out right now. There are certain X-Men who always show up in every X-Men title, certain Avengers for every Avengers title..... Marvel just has a core crowd of a couple dozen characters who comprise the vast majority of their current writing material. Sure, Wolverine and Spider-Man and Captain America and the Hulk-spinoff-people are all cool, but can't we get some more variety in the faces we see? There are so many characters (like the aforementioned Cardiac, Rocket Racer, and Prowler) who have gotten just enough facetime in comics to seem potentially interesting, but haven't gotten any development beyond that point. So why not put one of them in a title? They're still so underdeveloped that a good writer could do practically anything with them. This is why I'm pleased to see Sunfire as a member of this new Avengers/X-Men hybrid team. He's been around for a long time but has never been anyone important or had any noteworthy character development. We already know exactly what to expect of Cap, Wolverine, Rogue, Thor, and the rest of the peeps on that team, but Sunfire is practically an enigma. He can be pretty much whatever the writer wants him to be. Yeah, Marvel could start up a team comprised of Cap, Wolverine, Spider-Man, Red Hulk, Iron Man, Daredevil, and Spider-Woman. But before even reading it we already know exactly what the team dynamic is and how each team member will react to each other and each situation. It's nothing we haven't read before. But how about we find a way to put Cardiac, Mockingbird, Stingray, Toad, Sleepwalker, and Joystick on a team together? Nobody knows them. Nobody knows what to expect of a team like that. Reading how their teamwork plays out would actually be interesting, and their personalities are so underdeveloped that the writer could start shaping them in any way he wants. What started out as a short reply appears to have turned into something of a rant...
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Post by Power NeXus on Dec 27, 2012 22:15:40 GMT -5
In my reboot, I would sweep away most of the characters I don't care about. I have put a fair amount of thought into this and what I have come up with is a darker, more grounded universe. Characters like Squirrel Girl do not exist. Deadpool does but it is more akin to classic Deadpool. But to give you guys the cliff-note version... The beginning of the super hero age starts with Captain America and the Invaders (as most do in Marvel) and he does get frozen. He is one of the best martial artists in the world as he and a few other of the great Marvel fighters received their training from Wolverine when he was a government agent. And that is the thing, Wolverine in this universe is no joke ever. In my reboot, he has the same healing factor as 616 but you would almost never know it because he is not lazy and self-destructive like 616 Wolverine. And instead of being used to show how cool a character is by beating him, a character would be considered cool simply because Wolverine didn't kill them in a fight. He is the end-all-be-all fighter of the Marvel U. All the best fighters in the U get their training from him (with the exception of Iron Fist... But Wolverine was a student of the K'un-L'un). Also Wolverine is much more samurai in this U. Very classic Wolverine as far as personality goes. In a novel I read about Wolverine, it had him as more than 10,000 years old and had him present in every major war in history. I would adopt that into my U's Wolverine as well because that is pretty BA. Achilles was his pupil. The X-Men will be new, all teenagers this time. Wolverine is not part of them. I like him better solo. Mostly the popular mutants would be at the school but only a select few of the seniors are X-Men. Magneto runs the school and Xavier is not really in the picture much. He is out recruiting so his presence is minimal. But I think the problems of mutants would be very tangible because I would relate it a lot to gun control issues as far as how polarized people are on the issues. It would be less about teen angst about being different (though that would be there as well to appeal to teens) and more about legal issues and mutant terrorism from radicals. The villains would be the Brotherhood. Not Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, just the Brotherhood and it would be my goal to make them a rebelling cause one would sympathize with. So it would be hard to cast them as true villains aside from some of their methods. Eventually, their stance would appeal to Magneto (probably an attack on the school like in New X-Men with Stryker), which causes him so much hurt that in his mind, he decides that he will do what he must to prevent a second holocaust (since my Magneto will still be a holocaust survivor). Maybe the attack will result in Xavier's death and Magneto loved him like war buddies love each other. Something very real. Something big that is too big to ignore. He leaves the school and takes over the Brotherhood, making them much more organized and much more dangerous. I like many aspects of the Ultimates and the movieverse Avengers so I would incorporate a lot of both into my Avengers team. I like that the Ultimates fix world problems rather than saving the planet in all the time. So I would have them address many real world problems. It makes sense with Captain America's personality anyway. No chest-beating from him, he just gets things done. They are very involved with mutant affairs too so the X-Men would be a much less isolated title, especially since the X-Men will be run by kids mostly. The Fantastic Four would not be super heroes so much as actual problem solvers. With how smart Reed is, there is no reason why he should not have solved the energy crisis in the 616 universe so that would be settled in my U. I think Reed would bring in the big brains of the planet to help too. He would still have the important villains to fight like Doom, the Wizard, and the other big ones. They wouldn't be the Fantastic Four in my U, they would just be the Future Foundation. I liked the aspirations of the Future Foundation... even though few of them were realized in the comic lol. And gosh darn it, I love the Eternals. So they would have a role in my U as well. Ikaris and Thena are awesome characters. They need some love. So the reboot would be a very different Earth than this one or the 616 and I think that is okay. Out of curiosity, who would you have step up to lead the X-Men after Xavier is dead and Magneto has defected to the Brotherhood? Please don't say Cyclops. He used to be a cool character in 616 but became a total prick as soon as he became top dog. It would be nice to have a Marvel U where Cyclops isn't a prick anymore.
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Post by Erik-El on Dec 27, 2012 23:09:42 GMT -5
In my reboot, I would sweep away most of the characters I don't care about. I have put a fair amount of thought into this and what I have come up with is a darker, more grounded universe. Characters like Squirrel Girl do not exist. Deadpool does but it is more akin to classic Deadpool. But to give you guys the cliff-note version... The beginning of the super hero age starts with Captain America and the Invaders (as most do in Marvel) and he does get frozen. He is one of the best martial artists in the world as he and a few other of the great Marvel fighters received their training from Wolverine when he was a government agent. And that is the thing, Wolverine in this universe is no joke ever. In my reboot, he has the same healing factor as 616 but you would almost never know it because he is not lazy and self-destructive like 616 Wolverine. And instead of being used to show how cool a character is by beating him, a character would be considered cool simply because Wolverine didn't kill them in a fight. He is the end-all-be-all fighter of the Marvel U. All the best fighters in the U get their training from him (with the exception of Iron Fist... But Wolverine was a student of the K'un-L'un). Also Wolverine is much more samurai in this U. Very classic Wolverine as far as personality goes. In a novel I read about Wolverine, it had him as more than 10,000 years old and had him present in every major war in history. I would adopt that into my U's Wolverine as well because that is pretty BA. Achilles was his pupil. The X-Men will be new, all teenagers this time. Wolverine is not part of them. I like him better solo. Mostly the popular mutants would be at the school but only a select few of the seniors are X-Men. Magneto runs the school and Xavier is not really in the picture much. He is out recruiting so his presence is minimal. But I think the problems of mutants would be very tangible because I would relate it a lot to gun control issues as far as how polarized people are on the issues. It would be less about teen angst about being different (though that would be there as well to appeal to teens) and more about legal issues and mutant terrorism from radicals. The villains would be the Brotherhood. Not Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, just the Brotherhood and it would be my goal to make them a rebelling cause one would sympathize with. So it would be hard to cast them as true villains aside from some of their methods. Eventually, their stance would appeal to Magneto (probably an attack on the school like in New X-Men with Stryker), which causes him so much hurt that in his mind, he decides that he will do what he must to prevent a second holocaust (since my Magneto will still be a holocaust survivor). Maybe the attack will result in Xavier's death and Magneto loved him like war buddies love each other. Something very real. Something big that is too big to ignore. He leaves the school and takes over the Brotherhood, making them much more organized and much more dangerous. I like many aspects of the Ultimates and the movieverse Avengers so I would incorporate a lot of both into my Avengers team. I like that the Ultimates fix world problems rather than saving the planet in all the time. So I would have them address many real world problems. It makes sense with Captain America's personality anyway. No chest-beating from him, he just gets things done. They are very involved with mutant affairs too so the X-Men would be a much less isolated title, especially since the X-Men will be run by kids mostly. The Fantastic Four would not be super heroes so much as actual problem solvers. With how smart Reed is, there is no reason why he should not have solved the energy crisis in the 616 universe so that would be settled in my U. I think Reed would bring in the big brains of the planet to help too. He would still have the important villains to fight like Doom, the Wizard, and the other big ones. They wouldn't be the Fantastic Four in my U, they would just be the Future Foundation. I liked the aspirations of the Future Foundation... even though few of them were realized in the comic lol. And gosh darn it, I love the Eternals. So they would have a role in my U as well. Ikaris and Thena are awesome characters. They need some love. So the reboot would be a very different Earth than this one or the 616 and I think that is okay. Out of curiosity, who would you have step up to lead the X-Men after Xavier is dead and Magneto has defected to the Brotherhood? Please don't say Cyclops. He used to be a cool character in 616 but became a total prick as soon as he became top dog. It would be nice to have a Marvel U where Cyclops isn't a prick anymore. Someone read the entire thing? Ha! Awesome. Cyclops used to be one of the best leaders of the Marvel U though. It is kind of hard to imagine him playing second fiddle to anyone else. Warren is pretty useless, maybe he can be the leader lol. In seriousness, most of the mutants at the school are approximately the same age in my re-imagined U, so anyone could really be leader of the team once Magneto leaves. Kitty is a character that appeals to me as a leader most though if Cyclops were not around and I do have plans for him after the school is attacked so they could very easily take him away from the school. Kitty is a genius, which is something that doesn't get enough attention in the 616 U, IMO. She is no Beast or Dr. Nemesis, more like a real-world genius. I had an idea of Wolverine being contracted by the Avengers to militarize the school after the attack and Kitty being something of a star pupil, what do you think?
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Post by Erik-El on Dec 27, 2012 23:13:59 GMT -5
I want to see more of the D-Listers because I think we can all agree we're getting tired of seeing the same faces in every single title. Wolverine and Spider-Man are in half the titles Marvel is putting out right now. There are certain X-Men who always show up in every X-Men title, certain Avengers for every Avengers title..... Marvel just has a core crowd of a couple dozen characters who comprise the vast majority of their current writing material. Sure, Wolverine and Spider-Man and Captain America and the Hulk-spinoff-people are all cool, but can't we get some more variety in the faces we see? There are so many characters (like the aforementioned Cardiac, Rocket Racer, and Prowler) who have gotten just enough facetime in comics to seem potentially interesting, but haven't gotten any development beyond that point. So why not put one of them in a title? They're still so underdeveloped that a good writer could do practically anything with them. This is why I'm pleased to see Sunfire as a member of this new Avengers/X-Men hybrid team. He's been around for a long time but has never been anyone important or had any noteworthy character development. We already know exactly what to expect of Cap, Wolverine, Rogue, Thor, and the rest of the peeps on that team, but Sunfire is practically an enigma. He can be pretty much whatever the writer wants him to be. Yeah, Marvel could start up a team comprised of Cap, Wolverine, Spider-Man, Red Hulk, Iron Man, Daredevil, and Spider-Woman. But before even reading it we already know exactly what the team dynamic is and how each team member will react to each other and each situation. It's nothing we haven't read before. But how about we find a way to put Cardiac, Mockingbird, Stingray, Toad, Sleepwalker, and Joystick on a team together? Nobody knows them. Nobody knows what to expect of a team like that. Reading how their teamwork plays out would actually be interesting, and their personalities are so underdeveloped that the writer could start shaping them in any way he wants. What started out as a short reply appears to have turned into something of a rant... Good points and I agree for the most part. The only part I disagree is having a team comprised entirely of unknowns. People pick up what they are comfortable with, that is why indie publishers stay indie (Bazinga!). Thunderbolts had teams of relatively unknowns and I am pretty sure the title is not that great. How about a team that is a mix of both? Half unknowns with the other half some familiar faces?
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