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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Feb 9, 2013 8:59:58 GMT -5
I refuse to read Earth 2 on principle. Punt Earth's greatest sorcerer to another reality will you? Well screw you DC!
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Post by Lord Barbatos on Feb 9, 2013 9:35:30 GMT -5
I refuse to read Earth 2 on principle. Punt Earth's greatest sorcerer to another reality will you? Well screw you DC! LOL,but Steppenwolf killed Wondy and Supes there and Mercury said that the forces of Apokolips had killed all their Gods.Mercury himself was captured by the "darkness".So I can expect a decent depiction of the New Gods. How do you feel about Alan Scott? |
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Feb 9, 2013 10:09:14 GMT -5
LOL,but Steppenwolf killed Wondy and Supes there and Mercury said that the forces of Apokolips had killed all their Gods.Mercury himself was captured by the "darkness".So I can expect a decent depiction of the New Gods. To be honest I wouldn't mind at all if they just nerfed the entire setting so that Superman can punk Orion six days a week if they actually managed to get their personalities and the themes of the work right. That's something Off the top of my head I can name Grant Morrison and John Ostrander accomplishing in the past few decades. I don't care if Superman and Wonder Woman can beat up Orion so long as he's ORION, GREATEST HERO OF NEW GENESIS!!! again, instead of "Darkseid's kid. You know, the one with issues." How do you feel about Alan Scott? I don't. I mean, okay, DC's pushing a gay superhero and that's cool. But that's guy's not Alan Scott. Not because he's gay, but because Alan Scott is a kind old man with two loving children who's looked up as a father figure by half of the superhero community. Something this guy is not. So I have no emotional investment in the character to applaud or resent the change they made to him. And that's the problem. Alan Scott 2.0 is a nobody. He's a Green Lantern, but not the Green Lantern. No, those guys are all in the main universe. He's a superhero, but not the first superhero. That guy died with the last universe. He's Alan Scott, but not the Alan Scott that readers spent the last few decades emotionally attaching themselves to. So there's really nothing of importance to him. He's a B list character starring in an alternate universe book which doesn't even connect to the main continuity save for the antagonists which are multiversal. So there's really no reason to give a crap about the fact that they made him gay. It was a publicity stunt and nothing else. They relied on the character's past reputation to generate interest, but at the same time pushed the actual character so far down that the actual impact of the change is completely negligible. It's just the same thing DC's been doing over and over and over again: Giving the illusion of doing something new without actually doing anything new. Either give us something to talk about DC, or don't. But you can't be innovative and play it safe at the same time. Your cake is is a lie. |
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Post by Lord Barbatos on Feb 9, 2013 11:59:53 GMT -5
LOL,but Steppenwolf killed Wondy and Supes there and Mercury said that the forces of Apokolips had killed all their Gods.Mercury himself was captured by the "darkness".So I can expect a decent depiction of the New Gods. To be honest I wouldn't mind at all if they just nerfed the entire setting so that Superman can punk Orion six days a week if they actually managed to get their personalities and the themes of the work right. That's something Off the top of my head I can name Grant Morrison and John Ostrander accomplishing in the past few decades. I don't care if Superman and Wonder Woman can beat up Orion so long as he's ORION, GREATEST HERO OF NEW GENESIS!!! again, instead of "Darkseid's kid. You know, the one with issues." How do you feel about Alan Scott? I don't. I mean, okay, DC's pushing a gay superhero and that's cool. But that's guy's not Alan Scott. Not because he's gay, but because Alan Scott is a kind old man with two loving children who's looked up as a father figure by half of the superhero community. Something this guy is not. So I have no emotional investment in the character to applaud or resent the change they made to him. And that's the problem. Alan Scott 2.0 is a nobody. He's a Green Lantern, but not the Green Lantern. No, those guys are all in the main universe. He's a superhero, but not the first superhero. That guy died with the last universe. He's Alan Scott, but not the Alan Scott that readers spent the last few decades emotionally attaching themselves to. So there's really nothing of importance to him. He's a B list character starring in an alternate universe book which doesn't even connect to the main continuity save for the antagonists which are multiversal. So there's really no reason to give a crap about the fact that they made him gay. It was a publicity stunt and nothing else. They relied on the character's past reputation to generate interest, but at the same time pushed the actual character so far down that the actual impact of the change is completely negligible. It's just the same thing DC's been doing over and over and over again: Giving the illusion of doing something new without actually doing anything new. Either give us something to talk about DC, or don't. But you can't be innovative and play it safe at the same time. Your cake is is a lie. I actually like this Alan Scott but my own knowledge of the real character is negligible,after reading your post I agree that this Alan Scott=generic superhero and that's how I really feel about most of DC's right now. |
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Post by Beatboks on Mar 11, 2013 8:42:01 GMT -5
I actually like this Alan Scott but my own knowledge of the real character is negligible,after reading your post I agree that this Alan Scott=generic superhero and that's how I really feel about most of DC's right now. Sorry, but gotta agree with Phantom here. The real Alan Scot was a character who when he believed he killed the entire nation of Japan after they had killed his JSA friends (battling in one of Brainwave's dreamscapes All Star Squadron 20) was prepared to turn the power of his ring on himself and it because " no one should have this much power". He was the Hero who when in JSA strange tales a protagonist offered a cure for every one of man's woes in exchange for the power sources of his ring and starman's rod questioned whether he had the right to deny man these boons for his own selfishness. he was the hero who always gave everything he had to the point where he would expend his last energy in battle to save others rather than retreat to recharge. So driven and held himself to such a high account that when he failed to save a youth in the JSA story "the worlds not ready to learn about" while facing Ian Karkull he resigned from the JSA as chairman because if he hadn't been so pushed/exhausted he would have though of a way around his weakness. This new Alan Scot is a stuck up POMPOUS @$$ who isn't fit the shine the original's boots with his tongue. / Rant |
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Post by Beatboks on Mar 11, 2013 20:13:35 GMT -5
I didn't even know about this thread, didn't I post this elsewhere??
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Post by Erik-El on Mar 11, 2013 20:47:44 GMT -5
I didn't even know about this thread, didn't I post this elsewhere?? I think you posted it in the Superman thread and someone moved it for you. I know it wasn't me though. |
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Post by jakefury on Mar 12, 2013 9:17:43 GMT -5
I made this thread for Earth 2.
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Post by Beatboks on Mar 12, 2013 23:53:51 GMT -5
Well so far I have to say that Robinson's statment that they'll be true to the " spirit" of the JSA is about as far removed from the truth as one can get. Al Prat ( Atom) is a complete and utter jar head, Alan is a prudish snob, I don't mind hawgirl but she was always blaa for me in the JSA before. Kalib ( the new Fate) looks interesting so far. The original Mr Terrific is a psychopath. Jay is the only character I really did so far.'but where pre flahpoint Jay was intelligent cool and confident this one is in many eays the opposite ( he's noy dum just young and VERY niave. Sandman is mercenary
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Post by Erik-El on Mar 12, 2013 23:59:56 GMT -5
Mr. Terrific? Didn't he have his own New 52 series for like... 2 issues? Lol
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Post by Beatboks on Mar 13, 2013 1:19:43 GMT -5
Mr. Terrific? Didn't he have his own New 52 series for like... 2 issues? Lol Oh I mean Terry Sloane, the original GA Mr T. Admittedly in Earth 2 they don't call him that but Sloane in Earth 2 is quite happy to bomb a city and take out thousands of lives to win the day. The Original Sloane would have offered himself in the place of anyone. Though having said that the Micheal Holt who was in that NU52 fail is now on Earth 2 All I can say is that if DC want to keep me as a ready the rest of the Earth 2 characters introduced in the next few issues better be a lot more like the old ones in at least character. That and some of the ones they've shown better get better. I'm giving them till issue 12 ( I've only got up to 9) before I do the one thing i never thought I would. Drop a book featuring the characters related to the JSA. |
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Post by jakefury on Mar 13, 2013 7:54:35 GMT -5
The only likeness any of these characters have to the original JSA is in name only. I did like what I read of Steppenwolf though.
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Post by Beatboks on Mar 23, 2013 7:16:14 GMT -5
The only likeness any of these characters have to the original JSA is in name only. I did like what I read of Steppenwolf though. I'll say, and to be honest i wouldn't mind the book so much if it wasn't such a slight on a great tradition. Why couldn't they just create perfectly new characters with different names instead of use age old comic names for what is essentially perfectly new characters that to some degree have the same powers and abilities. I would have preferred what watchmen was to Charlton characters than completely blight what was done before. The story is OK it just rubs a very rong way for an old JSA fanboy. |
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Post by jakefury on Mar 23, 2013 8:44:00 GMT -5
The only likeness any of these characters have to the original JSA is in name only. I did like what I read of Steppenwolf though. I'll say, and to be honest i wouldn't mind the book so much if it wasn't such a slight on a great tradition. Why couldn't they just create perfectly new characters with different names instead of use age old comic names for what is essentially perfectly new characters that to some degree have the same powers and abilities. I would have preferred what watchmen was to Charlton characters than completely blight what was done before. The story is OK it just rubs a very rong way for an old JSA fanboy. Don't get me wrong, its not a bad book by any means. The art is fantastic and the redesigns are cool. But if they wanted the JSA to all magically be 30 years younger then just use their children/succesors instead. |
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Post by Beatboks on Mar 23, 2013 9:16:10 GMT -5
That's sort of my point. If they wanted to build a completely new Earth 2 that had nothing what so ever to do with what came before and it had no links to it and was a good read i would give it a go. But it's like they are trying to drag in old fandom under false pretenses and still build something (completely ) new for new readers. Robinson stated in several interviews that his new Earth 2 would be true to the spirit of the JSA, with his work on starman a lot of JSA fans ( based on the JSA forum on comic bloc) had very high hopes. But we just didn't get that at all. The bubble of that promise has well untruly burst and rained on a lot of parades.
The original Alan had a lot of dignity, humility and selflessness. This new Alan comes across as self invovled/obsessed and humility is about as far from his character as you could get. The original Jay despite his youth when the JSA was formed 9 just out of college as I recall) had an air of confidence and strength. They made him their first chairman and he was the second youngest member for crying out load. for the entirety of JSA history Jay has always remained the rock the others lean on. This one is a nervous, college kid who does nothing so far but doubt himself. The original Atom ( Al Pratt) was a a diminutive college student who had been bullied his entire life and worked out and stood up to them. Now we have an Atom who IS the bully. Terry Sloane was a super Genius who thought he no longer had a purpose because he'd achieved everything he possibly could at a very young age. he was going to kill himself and instead saved another potential Jumper and suddenly found a challenge that would never end helping and saving those who needed it. This new Terry Sloane would kill the world if he thought it gave him something.
It's like Robinson is going out of his way to make every character a complete antithesis of what has come before. As though he is trying to create something diametrically opposed to the old. I just think it would have been better if they called it Earth B and came up with a completely new set of characters, than to wholesale spit on what came before and sling it in the eyes of the fans of these characters.
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Post by jakefury on Mar 23, 2013 9:19:34 GMT -5
Agreed with pretty much all the points you made Beatboks. With that being said, do you think that Darkseid/Steppenwolf's army is multiversal? I ask that due to what Superman said during the first Justice League arc.
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Post by jakefury on Apr 6, 2013 20:11:58 GMT -5
Bout to read issues 10 and 11.
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Post by jakefury on Apr 7, 2013 0:11:27 GMT -5
Wow, this book is shaping up nicely. Jay being inspiration for Khalid was a good moment.
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Post by Beatboks on May 25, 2013 6:04:40 GMT -5
Wow, this book is shaping up nicely. Jay being inspiration for Khalid was a good moment. Gotta agree that Jay in that issue is becoming more true to the historical character of JAY. Plus it seems soneone has done surgery on Alan Scot and at least partially removed the stake up his backside. He's starting to appear to be someone with at least part of a heart. Khalid actually looks cool character wise. I could dig him ( at least my second fav character in Dr Fate might be OK) |
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Post by jakefury on May 25, 2013 9:01:44 GMT -5
I thought the fight between Fate and Wotan was pretty disappointing. The build up was good though.
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