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Post by Admin on Nov 28, 2010 13:36:43 GMT -5
Love them? Hate them? Favorite story arc? Least favorite? Talk about the Kravinoff family in here!
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Post by Admin on Nov 28, 2010 13:39:11 GMT -5
As you likely already know, I'm a huge fan of Sergei and his two sons. I'm still mixed on Ana, but I'm excited to see her upcoming story in Spider-Girl. Few stories can top Kraven's Last Hunt and recently, Grim Hunt.
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Post by Morpheus on Nov 28, 2010 14:53:45 GMT -5
Killing off Alyosha in favour of Ana is a pretty retarded move.
Then again, Sergei is the only Kravinoff that was really needed, anyway. Now that he is back, he renders every knock-off that appeared, in absentia, obsolete.
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Post by Admin on Nov 28, 2010 15:09:21 GMT -5
Killing off Alyosha in favour of Ana is a pretty retarded move.
Then again, Sergei is the only Kravinoff that was really needed, anyway. Now that he is back, he renders every knock-off that appeared, in absentia, obsolete. I love Aly and Vlad, but when Sergei is around, they really aren't required. The only thing that truly made Vladimir unique from his father was the different technology he used. Aly was a complete replica, so they had that whole arc where he stopped and went into showbiz....Before turning back into Sergei 2.0.
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Post by Morpheus on Nov 28, 2010 15:13:45 GMT -5
Killing off Alyosha in favour of Ana is a pretty retarded move.
Then again, Sergei is the only Kravinoff that was really needed, anyway. Now that he is back, he renders every knock-off that appeared, in absentia, obsolete. I love Aly and Vlad, but when Sergei is around, they really aren't required. The only thing that truly made Vladimir unique from his father was the different technology he used. Aly was a complete replica, so they had that whole arc where he stopped and went into showbiz....Before turning back into Sergei 2.0. The problem with Vlad is that he appeared during an era where the writing was questionable, at best, and most of the things that occurred during the Clone Saga are (for Marvel) better buried. I'm actually surprised Kaine has seen it through.
In all of Aly's appearances that I've read, he basically acts like Sergei, just not in the same badass tempo.
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Post by Admin on Nov 28, 2010 15:17:23 GMT -5
I love Aly and Vlad, but when Sergei is around, they really aren't required. The only thing that truly made Vladimir unique from his father was the different technology he used. Aly was a complete replica, so they had that whole arc where he stopped and went into showbiz....Before turning back into Sergei 2.0. The problem with Vlad is that he appeared during an era where the writing was questionable, at best, and most of the things that occurred during the Clone Saga are (for Marvel) better buried. I'm actually surprised Kaine has seen it through.
In all of Aly's appearances that I've read, he basically acts like Sergei, just not in the same badass tempo.He either: A) Acted exactly like Sergei, but confidence was often replaced with craziness (yelling at T'Challa to hit harder, losing his mind in the Punisher arc) B) Was wise, wealthy and stuck up (Get Kraven!). Then Vladimir was pretty much EXACTLY how you'd imagine a younger Sergei. His confidence was replaced with eagerness.
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Post by Morpheus on Nov 28, 2010 15:19:10 GMT -5
The problem with Vlad is that he appeared during an era where the writing was questionable, at best, and most of the things that occurred during the Clone Saga are (for Marvel) better buried. I'm actually surprised Kaine has seen it through.
In all of Aly's appearances that I've read, he basically acts like Sergei, just not in the same badass tempo. He either: A) Acted exactly like Sergei, but confidence was often replaced with craziness (yelling at T'Challa to hit harder, losing his mind in the Punisher arc) B) Was wise, wealthy and stuck up (Get Kraven!). Then Vladimir was pretty much EXACTLY how you'd imagine a younger Sergei. His confidence was replaced with eagerness. I probably need to check out Get Kraven! .
Vlad never seemed to have a distinct characteristic that would make him flat out stand out.
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Post by Admin on Nov 28, 2010 15:23:33 GMT -5
No, you really don't need to check out Get Kraven!
....Trust me.
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Post by Morpheus on Nov 28, 2010 15:29:49 GMT -5
LOL. For Aly's personality, not as far as storytelling goes.
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Post by Admin on Nov 28, 2010 15:36:17 GMT -5
LOL. For Aly's personality, not as far as storytelling goes. It primarily focused on his desire to find success in the film business, friendship with Vulture, and of course interactions with Spider-Man and assorted villains. I just had issues with some of the writing along the way (Aly one-shots Tombstone with a groin hit, Punisher one-shots Aly with a regular strike) and it's not really a "must-read," even if you're a die-hard Kraven fan. The only time Aly was truly unique was in Punisher: War Journal, where he went completely insane after experimenting with his father's potions. Ironically enough, it ended with him teleporting away and finding safe haven in the Savage Land....Where Ana will allegedly kill him.
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Post by Morpheus on Nov 28, 2010 15:41:24 GMT -5
LOL. For Aly's personality, not as far as storytelling goes. It primarily focused on his desire to find success in the film business, friendship with Vulture, and of course interactions with Spider-Man and assorted villains. I just had issues with some of the writing along the way (Aly one-shots Tombstone with a groin hit, Punisher one-shots Aly with a regular strike) and it's not really a "must-read," even if you're a die-hard Kraven fan. The only time Aly was truly unique was in Punisher: War Journal, where he went completely insane after experimenting with his father's potions. Ironically enough, it ended with him teleporting away and finding safe haven in the Savage Land....Where Ana will allegedly kill him. Sounds to me like every single writer has almost completely different view on his personality, and abilities.
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Post by Admin on Nov 28, 2010 15:44:51 GMT -5
It primarily focused on his desire to find success in the film business, friendship with Vulture, and of course interactions with Spider-Man and assorted villains. I just had issues with some of the writing along the way (Aly one-shots Tombstone with a groin hit, Punisher one-shots Aly with a regular strike) and it's not really a "must-read," even if you're a die-hard Kraven fan. The only time Aly was truly unique was in Punisher: War Journal, where he went completely insane after experimenting with his father's potions. Ironically enough, it ended with him teleporting away and finding safe haven in the Savage Land....Where Ana will allegedly kill him. Sounds to me like every single writer has almost completely different view on his personality, and abilities.I can't really say I blame them all that much for attempting to make him unique...It's boring if you just essentially rehash Sergei's personality with other characters, unless of course, it is in fact Sergei (Thank you, Grim Hunt!).
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Post by Morpheus on Nov 28, 2010 15:46:11 GMT -5
As for a favourite arc with Kraven...Well, you really can't beat the One.
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Post by Killshot Caine on Nov 28, 2010 18:03:24 GMT -5
I think I have been wrong about the Kravens.They seem like a cool bunch all accept that Alyosha..hate him.Love Ana.
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Post by Admin on Nov 28, 2010 18:05:24 GMT -5
I think I have been wrong about the Kravens.They seem like a cool bunch all accept that Alyosha..hate him.Love Ana. LOL. Why don't you like Aly and why do you like Ana? Morph HATES Ana, so this will be fun to watch.
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Post by Morpheus on Nov 28, 2010 18:06:58 GMT -5
I want to strangle Ana. Hopefully Arana will do the business to her yet again.
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Post by Admin on Nov 28, 2010 18:11:26 GMT -5
I want to strangle Ana. Hopefully Arana will do the business to her yet again. Surely Spider-Girl will win, but I bet Ana will have a good showing (since she's the main antagonist and what not). I wonder how big of a role Sergei will have, if any.
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Post by Morpheus on Nov 28, 2010 18:15:38 GMT -5
I want to strangle Ana. Hopefully Arana will do the business to her yet again. Surely Spider-Girl will win, but I bet Ana will have a good showing (since she's the main antagonist and what not). I wonder how big of a role Sergei will have, if any. I am in favour of Ana becoming a Spider Girl villain. She's low class for Spider-Man, to the point I can't see a real fight between them where Spider-Man won't job for her to be a threat. Against Arana, though? It would be interesting.
Accordingly, I can only see Sergei manipulating their confrontation from the shadows. Him entering the battlefield would unbalance things too much.
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Post by Killshot Caine on Nov 28, 2010 18:21:12 GMT -5
I think I have been wrong about the Kravens.They seem like a cool bunch all accept that Alyosha..hate him.Love Ana. LOL. Why don't you like Aly and why do you like Ana? Morph HATES Ana, so this will be fun to watch. I like Ana because I feel like she's the underdog of the Kravens like she will always be the one everyone will underestimate.She also seems to be the only ones whose stats back up what she's done.I was joking about Alyosha,I don't really have anything against him.In fact the only issue I've ever read with him in it are is issue of Punisher War Journal.
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Post by Killshot Caine on Nov 28, 2010 18:21:57 GMT -5
I want to strangle Ana. Hopefully Arana will do the business to her yet again. Surely Spider-Girl will win, but I bet Ana will have a good showing (since she's the main antagonist and what not). I wonder how big of a role Sergei will have, if any. Spider Girl being able to beat Ana won't make a bit of sense without a plot device.
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