Grayson/Todd VS Daredevil/Bullseye

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Characters:
Dick Grayson (Nightwing attire<no electric output>, twin eskrima, smoke pellets, grappling line)

Jason Todd (Red Hood attire, kevlar, twin pistols (unlimited clips), custom knife, taser with 1 shot, grappling gun, 1 standard grenade)

Daredevil (Pre-Shadowland, twin batons)

Bullseye (standard attire with kevlar plate, unlimited throwing knifes/daggers, twin sai)

Location:
Star City. Unpopulated. 10pm, lights remain on. Everything is on limits.

Starting Distance:
Two blocks. Not visible.

Knowledge:
Both teams are aware there's two very dangerous threats in the region. No knowledge on each others abilities, weapons, etc.

Morals:
On. However, Daredevil/Nightwing will not care or attempt to stop their teammate from killing. Both teams have agreed to work together, as well.

Elimination:
KO, death, incapacitation (not being able to continue), BFR.

[spidey_17]

How agile is Todd?
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Dec 15, 2010 18:00:14 GMT -5 spidey_17 said:

How agile is Todd?
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When he made his return in Under The Hood, he was able to escape from Bruce and Grayson during a chase across the rooftops near Crime Alley, as well as dance around numerous gunmen at close range. Grrr, life would be easier if I had my scans, but my old PC died.

So in short, he's quite agile, but not nearly as agile as Daredevi.

[spidey_17]

That sounds impressive. But i don't think this will be enough to dodge Bullseye's projectiles, or it might not be enough to do it for long.

Also, i think marvel team has this. Since they are not visible to the other, that means that DD has the advantage because everyone is visible to him....lol

If he inform Lester where they are, he might the chance to at least kill Todd first. Then they will team against Dick.
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[Admin]

Dec 15, 2010 18:11:23 GMT -5 spidey_17 said:

That sounds impressive. But i don't think this will be enough to dodge Bullseye's projectiles, or it might not be enough to do it for long.

Also, i think marvel team has this. Since they are not visible to the other, that means that DD has the advantage because everyone is visible to him....lol

If he inform Lester where they are, he might the chance to at least kill Todd first. Then they will team against Dick.
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Daredevil's radar certainly is an advantage off the bat, but team DC is fully aware there's an extremely dangerous team in the region. So, I'd imagine they'll be on their toes at all times. They're also sporting superior weapons and gear. Also, the environment is varied, allowing for a lot of cover (alleys, cars, going indoors, rooftops, sewers, etc).

[spidey_17]

Yeah, of course. I would never imagine that to be that easy.
But since team Marvel will have the advantage of being able to attack first, then their chances of taking someone out will be easier than the opposing team.
I remember a great feet from Dick where he was able to hear Slade coming. And Slade complimented him by saying that no man in one hundred would be able to accomplish that.
So i guess that Dick might have a good chance of dodging any attack from DD or Bullseye. But since Todd does not have that advantage, he should be an easier target for a surprise attack IMO
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[Admin]

Exactly why Todd is heavily equipped, to compensate. I'd imagine him being a semi-dirty fighter helps as well. I think that one grenade or taser can help him out quite a bit, if used properly.

[spidey_17]

Yeah, i can see that his equipment will be a great help, if Bullseye don't mess around with him and won't go for the kill fast.
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[Admin]

Dec 15, 2010 18:34:55 GMT -5 spidey_17 said:

Yeah, i can see that his equipment will be a great help, if Bullseye don't mess around with him and won't go for the kill fast.
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Morals apply, so it's likely Bullseye won't go for an immediate kill. Also, I don't believe it's likely, based on his gear. To pull off a killshot with just the dagger against two agile targets in his first attempt seems unlikely to me, despite being one of his biggest fans haha. COULD he? I think so, but it wouldn't be a majority of the time at all due to all of the factors.

[spidey_17]

That's a fair point. But since he has unlimited gear, i would imagine him throwing multiple daggers instead of only one.
Or is that out of character. I have seen him trying that move against spidey but i don't think comparing spidey to Dick or Todd is valid enough...=O

[Admin]

I haven't seen him do stuff like that against characters other than Daredevil and Spider-Man, and that's because he's aware of their high level of agility. With others, he tends to take individual shots.

[spidey_17]

I see. Well, i have to think the battle a bit more because it's a lot closer than i thought.
Nice job.

[Admin]

Gracias.

[Power NeXus]

I'd post an opinion, but I'm barely familiar at all with Todd.
This is a good opportunity for me to learn about him though.

[Admin]

Dec 15, 2010 20:06:44 GMT -5 Power NeXus said:

I'd post an opinion, but I'm barely familiar at all with Todd.
This is a good opportunity for me to learn about him though.

My CV account has a lot of scans. Unfortunately, it's completely unorganized so it's not easy to find them.

[masterprime64]

I never really understood how DD can keep up with Spidey.

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Dec 15, 2010 20:20:33 GMT -5 @masterprime64 said:

I never really understood how DD can keep up with Spidey.

Spider-Man has Daredevil outclassed quite a bit, physically. But Spider-Man holds back a great deal since they're friends.

[masterprime64]

I might be going a little bit of topic, but Spidey should be able to K.O almost all of his villains with a single punch. He can carry 10 tons right? That's enough to impale someone with his fist.

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Dec 15, 2010 20:24:40 GMT -5 @masterprime64 said:

I might be going a little bit of topic, but Spidey should be able to K.O almost all of his villains with a single punch. He can carry 10 tons right? That's enough to impale someone with his fist.

A lot of his villains have a high level of durability (Rhino, Tombstone, Venom, Carnage, Scorpion, Cardiac, etc), however there's a massive amount of villains he could easily one-shot, too. But just like against Daredevil, he holds back because of his morals. Otherwise, characters like Green Goblin, Doc Oc, Mysterio, Chamelon, and such would have died (and stayed dead) a long time ago.

[masterprime64]

GG can keep up with Spidey.But yeah, Doc Ock, Mysterio, Chameleon, KINGPIN, Vulture should be one shotted. He doesn't even have to hit them hard.