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Post by Power NeXus on Dec 26, 2010 20:28:16 GMT -5
Castle will murder DD. That is all with morals off.
Please stop taking such a "this is all totally obvious, I'm right, you're not" attitude here. I have learned from previous debates that when 3 well-respected debaters are all debating for the other side, it's a good indication that maybe you're not as 100% right as you thought you were.
Jus' sayin.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Dec 26, 2010 20:33:12 GMT -5
Sorry Power Nexus, but to me it's painfully obvious. Without morals, there is nothing holding back Castle. A sawed off shotgun with scattering shots, two grenades to blow shit up and Ak-47 and a revolver.
DD is not faster then bullets, he's not spider-man either in mobility and he's fighting Castle. We've seen time and again what he can do when he has nothing holding him back. DD isn't fighting some mook hitman with a gun. He's fighting Castle in just the right area Castle is at his deadliest.
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Post by Killshot Caine on Dec 26, 2010 20:33:29 GMT -5
I don't really see how it's going to come to Castle controlling the fight.The OP is clearly not going to lend him any help.Sure he is well armed but he's in a poorly lit carpark trying to find and kill someone who A. knows where he is at all times even when he's hiding or covering, B. Has amazing stealth and dodging ability. C.Could close the gap between them in seconds and make it his fight.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Dec 26, 2010 20:37:05 GMT -5
That's where the grenades and then bullet to cover his movements come it. He won't cover the distance because he'll too much have to worry about everything coming at him potentially being a kill blow.
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Post by Killshot Caine on Dec 26, 2010 21:11:21 GMT -5
That's where the grenades and then bullet to cover his movements come it. He won't cover the distance because he'll too much have to worry about everything coming at him potentially being a kill blow. Frank can't and won't just start throwing grenades and shooting and random places.He's a tactician.If he doesn't know where DD is he's not just going to launch grenades where he may not be.If lighting is already a problem i'm sure explosions will make it worse for him..not DD. |
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Post by djSWIZZLE on Dec 26, 2010 21:11:43 GMT -5
Sorry Power Nexus, but to me it's painfully obvious. Without morals, there is nothing holding back Castle. A sawed off shotgun with scattering shots, two grenades to blow shit up and Ak-47 and a revolver. DD is not faster then bullets, he's not spider-man either in mobility and he's fighting Castle. We've seen time and again what he can do when he has nothing holding him back. DD isn't fighting some mook hitman with a gun. He's fighting Castle in just the right area Castle is at his deadliest. Entirely agree, in every sense possible. Castle has tagged DD numerous times in the past with just the offhand intent of incapacitating him. Just imagine what he could do with the full focused intent and purpose of killing him. He can just as easily counter DD's sense by taking full advantage of employing his tactical reflexes like he has done to counter Spidey's spider-sense on multiple occasions. To me, it's as simple as that. And I'm glad to see that at least one other sees it that way as well. |
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Post by Killshot Caine on Dec 26, 2010 21:43:26 GMT -5
Sorry Power Nexus, but to me it's painfully obvious. Without morals, there is nothing holding back Castle. A sawed off shotgun with scattering shots, two grenades to blow shit up and Ak-47 and a revolver. DD is not faster then bullets, he's not spider-man either in mobility and he's fighting Castle. We've seen time and again what he can do when he has nothing holding him back. DD isn't fighting some mook hitman with a gun. He's fighting Castle in just the right area Castle is at his deadliest. Entirely agree, in every sense possible. Castle has tagged DD numerous times in the past with just the offhand intent of incapacitating him. Just imagine what he could do with the full focused intent and purpose of killing him. He can just as easily counter DD's sense by taking full advantage of employing his tactical reflexes like he has done to counter Spidey's spider-sense on multiple occasions. To me, it's as simple as that. And I'm glad to see that at least one other sees it that way as well. Castle has tagged DD because DD let it happen. |
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Post by djSWIZZLE on Dec 26, 2010 22:29:19 GMT -5
Entirely agree, in every sense possible. Castle has tagged DD numerous times in the past with just the offhand intent of incapacitating him. Just imagine what he could do with the full focused intent and purpose of killing him. He can just as easily counter DD's sense by taking full advantage of employing his tactical reflexes like he has done to counter Spidey's spider-sense on multiple occasions. To me, it's as simple as that. And I'm glad to see that at least one other sees it that way as well. Castle has tagged DD because DD let it happen. Oh, wait, so what you're saying is that DD is a contextually implied sadist then? ...wouldn't that only tip the odds that much more in Castle's favor then here? I mean, if he already displays a consistent fancy for "letting" Frank tag him... |
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Post by spidey_17 on Dec 26, 2010 22:35:19 GMT -5
Btw, i never buy the " Punisher pulls his shots against DD ".
If anyone has noticed that times that DD has dodged his bullets, if DD did not even bother to move what you people think would happen? DD would be dead or injured.
So, yes, DD can and has been able to dodge Frank Castle. All the other times that Frank has tagged DD were made of bad writing. How could Castle ever hope to tag a bullet timer that it's his hobby to dodge bullets and he can also read his moves and being aware where Frank will aim and when he will shot before he do it. It does not make sense.
And as i said, DD can and has dodged Frank's shots.
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Post by Killshot Caine on Dec 26, 2010 22:40:43 GMT -5
Castle has tagged DD because DD let it happen. Oh, wait, so what you're saying is that DD is a contextually implied sadist then? ...wouldn't that only tip the odds that much more in Castle's favor then here? I mean, if he already displays a consistent fancy for "letting" Frank tag him... No, that's not what I am saying at all.I'm saying that the times Frank has shot DD it's because his attention or his body was already occupied and not by anything Frank set up.I don't recall one instance where he shoots DD and he actually had space and opportunity to dodge. |
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Post by spidey_17 on Dec 26, 2010 22:42:41 GMT -5
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Post by Killshot Caine on Dec 26, 2010 22:49:46 GMT -5
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Post by spidey_17 on Dec 26, 2010 22:57:30 GMT -5
In my scans, there are boxes, where Frank states that he would never killed DD.
Before someone use that to say that my scans is not a proof, i want him to address this.
If Frank was never tried to kill DD, he was at leas trying to injure him right?
He was still unable to do it. Trying to kill or injure someone it's not as different as you think.
The bullet was still aimed to his body. If he was able to dodge the bullet that was meant to injure him, why he shouldn't be able to dodge the bullet that is meant to kill him?
Is somehow that bullet faster than the other, or with a magical way, prevents Matt from moving?
Not at all. Frank is just not good enough to tag DD.
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Post by djSWIZZLE on Dec 26, 2010 23:13:29 GMT -5
Ugh, I'm sorry, you made your point, but frankly anything that shows Frank acting unmeditated and mentally unstable (and out-of-character) to the degree to where he shoots a civilian like that (all because of DD?!) is just painful to me, and is what I consider to be the epiphany of insulting writing hahaha like I said fair enough point though I undertsand where you're going.
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Post by Killshot Caine on Dec 26, 2010 23:16:57 GMT -5
Ugh, I'm sorry, you made your point, but frankly anything that shows Frank acting unmeditated and mentally unstable (and out-of-character) to the degree to where he shoots a civilian like that (all because of DD?!) is just painful to me, and is what I consider to be the epiphany of insulting writing hahaha like I said fair enough point though I undertsand where you're going.  |
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