Daredevil (Shadowland) V.S Fat Cobra and Wolverine

[spidey_17]

Oct 24, 2010 17:51:25 GMT -5 Admin said:

I agree with Ferro. We don't understand the full extent of his abilities yet.

I think people are missing another feat Daredevil had (and Sloth likely hopes I would never bring to light). The plan was to kill Daredevil, yes? Wolverine tried and failed. Who tried next? Punisher. How? By shooting him. Did it work? No, Daredevil dodged every bullet...And Punisher WAS trying to hit him

I never buy the " he was not trying to hit him " because if we notice their fights, if DD wouldn't bother to dodge, he would be shoot.

[Admin]

Oct 24, 2010 17:59:51 GMT -5 spidey_17 said:

Oct 24, 2010 17:51:25 GMT -5 Admin said:

I agree with Ferro. We don't understand the full extent of his abilities yet.

I think people are missing another feat Daredevil had (and Sloth likely hopes I would never bring to light). The plan was to kill Daredevil, yes? Wolverine tried and failed. Who tried next? Punisher. How? By shooting him. Did it work? No, Daredevil dodged every bullet...And Punisher WAS trying to hit him

I never buy the " he was not trying to hit him " because if we notice their fights, if DD wouldn't bother to dodge, he would be shoot.

I buy it. Punisher never wanted to inflict any harm against the likes of Spider-Man & Daredevil (when written properly), but that's not going to stop him from trying to get them "away" or use weapons to his advantage in combat. He knows he isn't going to hit them, but it's better than letting them just run up and one-shot him.

He's flat out refused to shoot them before, too.

[Ferro_Vida]

Oct 24, 2010 17:55:07 GMT -5 Morpheus said:

Oct 24, 2010 17:51:25 GMT -5 Admin said:

I agree with Ferro. We don't understand the full extent of his abilities yet.

I think people are missing another feat Daredevil had (and Sloth likely hopes I would never bring to light). The plan was to kill Daredevil, yes? Wolverine tried and failed. Who tried next? Punisher. How? By shooting him. Did it work? No, Daredevil dodged every bullet...And Punisher WAS trying to hit him

Unless I missed something, the much brought up scan of DD saying Frank pulls his shots and could hit him at any time is from Earth 1610. Not saying Frank does not pull his shots, because he does, but Daredevil can dodge him even under normal circumstances. Not all the time, but he can dodge him.

Thank you VERY much for clearing that up.

[spidey_17]

Oct 24, 2010 18:03:33 GMT -5 Admin said:

Oct 24, 2010 17:59:51 GMT -5 spidey_17 said:

I never buy the " he was not trying to hit him " because if we notice their fights, if DD wouldn't bother to dodge, he would be shoot.

I buy it. Punisher never wanted to inflict any harm against the likes of Spider-Man & Daredevil (when written properly), but that's not going to stop him from trying to get them "away" or use weapons to his advantage in combat. He knows he isn't going to hit them, but it's better than letting them just run up and one-shot him.

He's flat out refused to shoot them before, too.

I see.

[Admin]

Frank Miller's run has Daredevil stating Frank is pulling his shots and refuses to hit him. COULD Frank hit him is an entirely different question.

[Morpheus]

Oct 24, 2010 18:03:57 GMT -5 Ferro_Vida said:

Oct 24, 2010 17:55:07 GMT -5 Morpheus said:

Unless I missed something, the much brought up scan of DD saying Frank pulls his shots and could hit him at any time is from Earth 1610. Not saying Frank does not pull his shots, because he does, but Daredevil can dodge him even under normal circumstances. Not all the time, but he can dodge him.

Thank you VERY much for clearing that up.

No problem.

I just haven't seen Daredevil saying the same thing in 616. It's one thing for Frank to pull his shots (which is true), and another for Daredevil to say he could hit him at any time. It just seems far-fetched to me. I'm sure sloth, or K4tz can provide further insight considering they have read much more Punisher than I have. So, it's possible DD did say that on some occasion I am not aware of.

[Morpheus]

Oct 24, 2010 18:07:52 GMT -5 Admin said:

Frank Miller's run has Daredevil stating Frank is pulling his shots and refuses to hit him. COULD Frank hit him is an entirely different question.

Co-sign.

[Decoy Elite]

Oct 24, 2010 17:59:51 GMT -5 spidey_17 said:

Oct 24, 2010 17:51:25 GMT -5 Admin said:

I agree with Ferro. We don't understand the full extent of his abilities yet.

I think people are missing another feat Daredevil had (and Sloth likely hopes I would never bring to light). The plan was to kill Daredevil, yes? Wolverine tried and failed. Who tried next? Punisher. How? By shooting him. Did it work? No, Daredevil dodged every bullet...And Punisher WAS trying to hit him

I never buy the " he was not trying to hit him " because if we notice their fights, if DD wouldn't bother to dodge, he would be shoot.

It's the same reason why Deadshot hasn't strait up killed Batman.

[Ferro_Vida]

Oct 24, 2010 18:07:52 GMT -5 Admin said:

Frank Miller's run has Daredevil stating Frank is pulling his shots and refuses to hit him. COULD Frank hit him is an entirely different question.

I remember that issue. Frank did tag DD with a tranq dart at point blank range in the previous one, but there wasn't really much room for Matt to evade in that particular situation. In theory, Punisher CAN hit him. I mean, DD has even been tagged by Bushwacker on one occasion. At the same time, Daredevils isn't dodging the bullet so much as he is dodging the gunman's aim.

I'd like to think that in normal conditions Frank would not be able to tag DD, but he would be capable of setting up a situation in which he would be able to.

[spidey_17]

Oct 24, 2010 18:10:05 GMT -5 Decoy Elite said:

Oct 24, 2010 17:59:51 GMT -5 spidey_17 said:

I never buy the " he was not trying to hit him " because if we notice their fights, if DD wouldn't bother to dodge, he would be shoot.

It's the same reason why Deadshot hasn't strait up killed Batman.

I know.
=]

[Ferro_Vida]

Oct 24, 2010 18:10:05 GMT -5 Decoy Elite said:

Oct 24, 2010 17:59:51 GMT -5 spidey_17 said:

I never buy the " he was not trying to hit him " because if we notice their fights, if DD wouldn't bother to dodge, he would be shoot.

It's the same reason why Deadshot hasn't strait up killed Batman.

Unless you're reading Secret Six. I recently saw a scan where Deadshot tried to hit Batman, and Bruce easily avoided him. He literally disappeared. But that might just be Batman.

[Admin]

Oct 24, 2010 18:18:58 GMT -5 Ferro_Vida said:

Oct 24, 2010 18:10:05 GMT -5 Decoy Elite said:

It's the same reason why Deadshot hasn't strait up killed Batman.

Unless you're reading Secret Six. I recently saw a scan where Deadshot tried to hit Batman, and Bruce easily avoided him. He literally disappeared. But that might just be Batman.

That made me facepalm SO hard.

[Decoy Elite]

Oct 24, 2010 18:18:58 GMT -5 Ferro_Vida said:

Oct 24, 2010 18:10:05 GMT -5 Decoy Elite said:

It's the same reason why Deadshot hasn't strait up killed Batman.

Unless you're reading Secret Six. I recently saw a scan where Deadshot tried to hit Batman, and Bruce easily avoided him. He literally disappeared. But that might just be Batman.

That's because who ever was writing didn't research Batman and Deadshot's history. Either that or they wanted to fanwank Batman.

[Ferro_Vida]

Oct 24, 2010 18:23:57 GMT -5 Decoy Elite said:

Oct 24, 2010 18:18:58 GMT -5 Ferro_Vida said:

Unless you're reading Secret Six. I recently saw a scan where Deadshot tried to hit Batman, and Bruce easily avoided him. He literally disappeared. But that might just be Batman.

That's because who ever was writing didn't research Batman and Deadshot's history. Either that or they wanted to fanwank Batman.

COUGH COUGH COUGH GAIL SIMONE COUGH COUGH

[lagoon_boy]

I have a feeling Daredevil's gonna get killed by someone we never expected 8)

[Decoy Elite]

Oct 24, 2010 21:00:58 GMT -5 lagoon_boy said:

I have a feeling Daredevil's gonna get killed by someone we never expected 8)

Hopefully not, DD shouldn't get killed at all IMO.
Although given the cluster fuck of random shit Shadowland has been you may be right.

[lagoon_boy]

Oct 24, 2010 21:03:14 GMT -5 Decoy Elite said:

Oct 24, 2010 21:00:58 GMT -5 lagoon_boy said:

I have a feeling Daredevil's gonna get killed by someone we never expected 8)

Hopefully not, DD shouldn't get killed at all IMO.
Although given the cluster flark of random shit Shadowland has been you may be right.

And my guess should be....<insert someone really unexpected> ;D

[Beatboks]

Wolverine is a non event in thsi one. Matt even before the Shadowland upgrade has taken him many times. I just don't know if the upgrade is enough for him to take Fat Cobra

[spidey_17]

Oct 25, 2010 2:18:55 GMT -5 Beatboks said:

Wolverine is a non event in thsi one. Matt even before the Shadowland upgrade has taken him many times. I just don't know if the upgrade is enough for him to take Fat Cobra

As far as i know he has taken him during Enemy Of The State where his victory was under specific conditions and in another fight where it seemed more like PIS. DD put him down with a pressure point attack but we saw Logan being able to heal fast enough from this kind of attacks when Echo attempted to use them on him. But there is no doubt that current DD can beat him since he had already done it.