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Post by spidey_17 on Oct 24, 2010 7:40:16 GMT -5
I'm sorry crom, but this has already been proven that is true.  |
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Post by Silver on Oct 24, 2010 7:40:49 GMT -5
@crom: It may just be semantics, but maybe I should have been more specific. My point is that he not powerless on his own. He has power of his own, but the Presence does place restraints on his power. This is not to say that he never receives backing from the Presence, just that he is not powerless without it.
I actually agree with Spidey's comment, honestly. SpiderMan goofs around in combat normally. When serious, he tends to think the battle through more and apply his powers more competently. This is not to say that he suddenly becomes a great fighter or is a brilliant strategist, but he has shown to do better when serious minded as opposed to being a comedian.
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Post by spidey_17 on Oct 24, 2010 7:43:20 GMT -5
@silver: Exactly. Being competent , it does not mean that he somehow gains h2h skills or tactical intellect, but it means that he uses his powers a lot more effectively than he usually do.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Oct 24, 2010 7:43:41 GMT -5
I'm sorry crom, but this has already been proven that is true. you ever come close to proving anything. You just think you have. If Spider-Man actually did gain competence when serious, he would never be where he is now. The only difference between a serious Spider-Man and a goofing around spiderman is that goofing spiderman wastes more time. |
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Post by Silver on Oct 24, 2010 7:45:06 GMT -5
The only difference between a serious Spider-Man and a goofing around spiderman is that goofing spiderman wastes more time. Which does decrease his level of competency. |
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Post by spidey_17 on Oct 24, 2010 7:46:20 GMT -5
Not at all. Check his fight with Kingpin and you will see what i mean. Also if you check it, his fight lasted like 8 pages or somewhere there. It seems that he wasted a lot of time making Kingpin to suffer, that does not mean that he was not a lot more effectively than when he is goofing around.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Oct 24, 2010 7:48:30 GMT -5
Which does decrease is level of competency. no it doesn't because the end result isn't difference nor the tactics he actually employs. This is one of the things that got me off 616 spiderman, there's no justification for where he is other then incompetence. I've said it before, I'll say it again. If Steve ever got his hands on Spider-Man's power set, then Marvel would be a very different universe. |
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Post by Silver on Oct 24, 2010 7:50:18 GMT -5
@crom: Can we agree to disagree then?
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Oct 24, 2010 7:52:35 GMT -5
I can't see any other way about it, because none of the arguments presented are evidence in my opinion. And I'm not one to stubbornly keep arguing a point when I know I am wrong.
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Post by Silver on Oct 24, 2010 7:57:45 GMT -5
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Oct 24, 2010 8:00:47 GMT -5
@silver, mostly the Spectre one. He does have power of his own true. But the backing of the Presence aspect of his power level is actually very important. As this was spoken of and demonstrated on more then one occasion. A more accurate way of describing the specter is has a job and company benefits. Can you show those occasions? I've read the vast majority of Spectre's appearances in the last two decades and I can't remember any time that was mentioned. |
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Oct 24, 2010 8:08:09 GMT -5
My computer does not allow me to post scans or make them. But such comments are seen in those series dealing with magic. Most of the time involving characters like the Phantom Stranger. Some Vertigo stuff too,
Basically, he has a power set that can fluctuate. But if the Presence tells him to go wreck somebody. It's going to happen and there's nothing that somebody can do to stop it.
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Oct 24, 2010 8:20:31 GMT -5
My computer does not allow me to post scans or make them. But such comments are seen in those series dealing with magic. Most of the time involving characters like the Phantom Stranger. Some Vertigo stuff too, Yeah, you have to upload scans from another site like photobucket, imageshack or tinypic. Basically, he has a power set that can fluctuate. But if the Presence tells him to go wreck somebody. It's going to happen and there's nothing that somebody can do to stop it. I believe I've read those series, but I've seen nothing opposing what Silver said. The Spectre is nigh omnipotent on his own, except God will limit his power on occasions. The point being that if God's influence is removed, Spectre would be at his most powerful, not weakest. Though I agree this is more or less semantics, since the end result is the same. |
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Post by Strafe Prower on Oct 24, 2010 13:19:56 GMT -5
Good stuff right here
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Post by Erik-El on Oct 24, 2010 13:31:55 GMT -5
Interesting thread. I have to agree though that if Rogers had Parker's powers, things would be very different in the Marvel U.
Also, Spider-Man is guided by his spider sense in nearly every battle he ever has. The only times we see his actual fighting ability are against those that can fool or are immune to his spider sense like Venom and Stark. Parker has to actually will himself to resist the spider senses reactions.
Whether he is serious or goofing around does not matter as far as jokes because he is almost always guided by his sense. He even has said the spider sense is what allows him to do his banter because it is basically autopilot.
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Post by Decoy Elite on Oct 24, 2010 13:56:07 GMT -5
Pym is not a wife beater.
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Post by Erik-El on Oct 24, 2010 14:15:09 GMT -5
Pym is not a wife beater. Debatable but Ultimate Pym sure was. |
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Post by Decoy Elite on Oct 24, 2010 14:17:30 GMT -5
Pym is not a wife beater. Debatable but Ultimate Pym sure was. Slapping a woman one is not beating here. And even if it was, he only did so once, so it barely counts. Ultimate Pym makes me sick to be honest. He's fucked up. |
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Post by Erik-El on Oct 24, 2010 14:26:39 GMT -5
Debatable but Ultimate Pym sure was. Slapping a woman one is not beating here. And even if it was, he only did so once, so it barely counts. Ultimate Pym makes me sick to be honest. He's flarked up. How many banks do you have to rob before you are considered a bank robber? |
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Post by Decoy Elite on Oct 24, 2010 14:29:08 GMT -5
Slapping a woman one is not beating here. And even if it was, he only did so once, so it barely counts. Ultimate Pym makes me sick to be honest. He's flarked up. How many banks do you have to rob before you are considered a bank robber? So Reed's a wife beater as well then? |
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