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Post by Khaos King on May 31, 2011 17:53:49 GMT -5
DC never really worried much about Continuity look at hawkman, Powergirl, superboy character background history What're you talking about? Hawkman and Powergirl are so snarled precisely because they tried to repair their continuity over and over again. They just weren't very good at it. Superboy, whatever snarls he has are positively minor compared to other cases. they were screwed cause writers didnt respect previous writers contribution or were not aware of the character they were writing that made it past editors and whatnot. I like to add Wonderwoman and Donna Troy to the convoluted character.  |
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Post by NexusOfLight on May 31, 2011 18:04:05 GMT -5
Well, if you need suggestions. Top Cow is my favorite american company at the moment. And let me tell you something. It has gotten a lot better in quality in all aspects since it founding, especially storytelling which was uneven in the beginning. I can vouch for that. Not that Crom needs vouching for, but still. Top Cow's where it's at. |
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Post by Silver on May 31, 2011 18:15:22 GMT -5
Honestly, I fail to see why they could not have just treated this like the Ultimate universe. If Johns wants to create a new continuity, do so in a different continuity and leave mainstream DC alone.[/b]
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Post by Khaos King on May 31, 2011 18:21:30 GMT -5
Honestly, I fail to see why they could not have just treated this like the Ultimate universe. If Johns wants to create a new continuity, do so in a different continuity and leave mainstream DC alone.[/b] [/quote] nah, DC characters and history needs to be streamline like Vance said it was something that needed to happen sooner or later |
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Post by Silver on May 31, 2011 18:35:48 GMT -5
Honestly, I fail to see why they could not have just treated this like the Ultimate universe. If Johns wants to create a new continuity, do so in a different continuity and leave mainstream DC alone.[/b] [/quote] nah, DC characters and history needs to be streamline like Vance said it was something that needed to happen sooner or later[/quote] Right, except it really doesn't. The only reason people presume DC's continuity is crooked and fails to flow properly is because DC actually bothers to define its history and its multiverse. That is not tantamount to deficiency of consistent stories; it just necessitates more reading material and comprehension of what was read because more information is given in that respect. Marvel, by contrast, tends to treats its main universe, 616, only in relation to itself. Alternate realities in Marvel are of less significance to Earth-616 than alternate realities in DC are to New Earth. Neither is a better method of handling continuity than the other; they simply offer separate reading experiences. You are mistaking quantity and vastness of continuity with failure to fluidly appropriate them. So, no, that is not true. |
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Post by Supreme Marvel on May 31, 2011 18:48:06 GMT -5
WHAT THE FUCK!!!
I leave to watch Wolfmother in concert in my home town, and this happens!!! I was reading so many comics after Post-Crisis. Is there any point in doing this now??
Who was involved in this plan? I WANT NAMES!!!!!!!
On another note. This could be cool. Re-vamp everything. Get rid of characters they don't want or don't need.
I guess we'll have to take all the DC names off these ranks we were making.
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Post by Khaos King on May 31, 2011 18:49:34 GMT -5
i can give you a perfect example of convolution of a character without any supporting story for it.
Superboy, he was originally design and stated multiple times on panel that he was a human with kryptonian like abilities. Geoff Johns without regard to Superboy history altered his past in a single panel stating that he was a clone from superman and Lex.
Zero Hour never altered his origin, Geoff sought fit to take it upon himself and change it b/c it made for a better story regardless of all the evidence shown on panel.
Lex never knew a damn thing about superboy and wanted his DNA to test and reproduce his own superman like army. He was so enraged that it was one of the reasons he bombed cadmus.
you also have old interviews of writers of during infinite crisis and Zero hour specifically stating the opposite of what you just claimed and the need to make DC less messy and fix continuity hiccups as well as get rid of things that previous writers and editors put in that took away the uniqueness of certain heroes, Superman and family, survivors, animals...
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Post by Supreme Marvel on May 31, 2011 18:51:25 GMT -5
So his this going to be names Post-Flashpoint? Instead of Post-Crisis? Or just New-DC?
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Post by Silver on May 31, 2011 19:04:25 GMT -5
i can give you a perfect example of convolution of a character without any supporting story for it. Superboy, he was originally design and stated multiple times on panel that he was a human with kryptonian like abilities. Geoff Johns without regard to Superboy history altered his past in a single panel stating that he was a clone from superman and Lex. Zero Hour never altered his origin, Geoff sought fit to take it upon himself and change it b/c it made for a better story regardless of all the evidence shown on panel. Lex never knew a damn thing about superboy and wanted his DNA to test and reproduce his own superman like army. He was so enraged that it was one of the reasons he bombed cadmus. you also have old interviews of writers of during infinite crisis and Zero hour specifically stating the opposite of what you just claimed and the need to make DC less messy and fix continuity hiccups as well as get rid of things that previous writers and editors put in that took away the uniqueness of certain heroes, Superman and family, survivors, animals... Key words here: Geoff Johns. The same writer who is now intent on rewriting DC. You want to blanket slate all of DC continuity as inconsistent because Johns is incapable of writing a story without retconning something? That is a complaint you should take up with Johns, not DC as a whole. As well, citing references to writers making claims on continuity is hardly credible. Fans have a better understanding of continuity than writers do, which is why we recognize their mistakes when they often neglect to do the same. To further that point, Zero Hour was a story that was to meant to correct the holes that CoIE left behind but ultimately did not accomplish that goal. That is not reflectional of DC; that is reflectional of its first publisher wide reboot, which might tell you something about the possible repercussions of this next reboot. I also like how your issue is that DC supposedly ignores its own continuity when writing stories, and yet your solution for it is to undo its own continuity. Because adding flames to a fire really fixes the problem, right?  |
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Post by Supreme Marvel on May 31, 2011 19:04:26 GMT -5
So are people going to collect the comics still?
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Post by Supreme Marvel on May 31, 2011 19:13:53 GMT -5
At least it'll be easier to do reviews now.  I'm seeing the good and the bad to this.
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Post by jakefury on May 31, 2011 19:17:54 GMT -5
I cannot imagine the reader reaction to this news being positive. Has anyone firebombed DC offices yet? Yes, but Geoff Johns retconned into a barrage of bottle rockets and it didn't do much damage. In all seriousness, I don't think the changes are going to be as major as everyone thinks. I actually like the idea of the JLA involving all of DC's big guns again. |
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Post by Khaos King on May 31, 2011 19:18:24 GMT -5
i can give you a perfect example of convolution of a character without any supporting story for it. Superboy, he was originally design and stated multiple times on panel that he was a human with kryptonian like abilities. Geoff Johns without regard to Superboy history altered his past in a single panel stating that he was a clone from superman and Lex. Zero Hour never altered his origin, Geoff sought fit to take it upon himself and change it b/c it made for a better story regardless of all the evidence shown on panel. Lex never knew a damn thing about superboy and wanted his DNA to test and reproduce his own superman like army. He was so enraged that it was one of the reasons he bombed cadmus. you also have old interviews of writers of during infinite crisis and Zero hour specifically stating the opposite of what you just claimed and the need to make DC less messy and fix continuity hiccups as well as get rid of things that previous writers and editors put in that took away the uniqueness of certain heroes, Superman and family, survivors, animals... Key words here: Geoff Johns. The same writer who is now intent on rewriting DC. You want to blanket slate all of DC continuity as inconsistent because Johns is incapable of writing a story without retconning something? That is a complaint you should take up with Johns, not DC as a whole. As well, citing references to writers making claims on continuity is hardly credible. Fans have a better understanding of continuity than writers do, which is why we recognize their mistakes when they often neglect to do the same. To further that point, Zero Hour was a story that was to meant to correct the holes that CoIE left behind but ultimately did not accomplish that goal. That is not reflectional of DC; that is reflectional of its first publisher wide reboot, which might tell you something about the possible repercussions of this next reboot. I also like how your issue is that DC supposedly ignores its own continuity when writing stories, and yet your solution for it is to undo its own continuity. Because adding flames to a fire really fixes the problem, right? Hey!!  I'm a short sighted man and i figure it cant be worse than what we got.. plus, i like fire as did my ancestors its why we dance around it when we added more stuff to burn. and now you can all share my anguish and pain and know what it feels like to dislike Johns and every kid who praised him and made me feel like a pariah b/c i knew what was wrong in that U but no one saw it but me. |
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Post by jakefury on May 31, 2011 19:27:11 GMT -5
*looks at my issue of Flashpoint and rubs my hands together* Controversy reigns my pet. Mwuahahahahaha
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Post by ckal on May 31, 2011 21:26:44 GMT -5
Probably should have posted this image earlier, even though it is in the USA Today article.  |
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Post by ckal on May 31, 2011 21:27:23 GMT -5
Where is Hal's ring?!  And who is that guy in the metal? |
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Post by ckal on May 31, 2011 21:28:44 GMT -5
And Jim Lee is a damn legend.
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Post by Admin on May 31, 2011 21:39:26 GMT -5
Where is Hal's ring?! And who is that guy in the metal? Likely Cyborg. |
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Post by jakefury on May 31, 2011 21:46:17 GMT -5
Supes lost his red underoos.
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Post by Silver on May 31, 2011 22:22:42 GMT -5
I honestly could care less about the costume changes. If they want those, fine. The story lines and retcons are what concern me.
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I'm seeing the good and the bad to this. 
