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Post by Crom-Cruach on Sept 24, 2011 18:57:37 GMT -5
Never watched the series to really care either way. It is too hard to tell if he has his hair pulled back or if he has a mullet. If the latter, I sincerely hope he does not show up in the rebooted comics. Mullet? He had a tress. I'm talking about this guy:  Dude was not only smart and skilled, he was boss enough to take on all the turtles at once. Even beat a Triceraton in strength,  also this is a mullet, if Chuck Norris can have one, the TMNT damn well can:  |
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Post by Erik-El on Sept 24, 2011 19:01:20 GMT -5
Yeah I cannot tell due to the art style. Seems mullet-y to me. No like.
Norris had a wig mullet.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Sept 24, 2011 19:03:47 GMT -5
Yeah I cannot tell due to the art style. Seems mullet-y to me. No like. It's nothing like a mullet. His hair is kept tight with a single long tress. A mullet is all about freedom and aura of 80's ness. He looked cool to me. Regardless of how he looks (also appeared in the Mirage comic where he had a buzz cut) he needs to be in the comic. He's too awesome not to be. |
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Post by Admin on Sept 24, 2011 19:13:50 GMT -5
A good way to kill some time...TMNT handbook rankings. From 1-6, rate the characters in intellect, speed, fighting abilities, strength, and durability.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Sept 24, 2011 19:20:03 GMT -5
A good way to kill some time...TMNT handbook rankings. From 1-6, rate the characters in intellect, speed, fighting abilities, strength, and durability. I've already posted my thoughts in fighting skill ratings but to give a rundown here. Most of the characters fall within the peak human range. With fighting skill ratings all over the place. The best fighters are likely around the mid 6 rating by the end of the series according to our other thread on that. The real kickers were Ch'rell (Shredder), Hun and Leatherhead whom had some scary attributes. Shredder was super-human across the board (relatively speaking) and had genius level intellect. |
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Post by Admin on Sept 24, 2011 19:27:42 GMT -5
Meh, but that's the animated version, right?
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Sept 24, 2011 19:31:01 GMT -5
Meh, but that's the animated version, right? so? It was by far the best iteration (well except for the fast forward season) and it drew heavily and with respect upon the mirage comic. The creator loved the show so much that Hun whom was created for the show actually was later introduced in the Mirage comics (for tales of the TMNT #56). The Mirage comics are/were nice but the 2003 show was one of the best animated shows of all time. It took the TMNT mythos, expanded on it and made it better. |
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Post by Admin on Sept 24, 2011 19:35:15 GMT -5
So, I wouldn't consider "mega super powered" animated version of Shredder to be the "standard version." That's all.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Sept 24, 2011 19:44:02 GMT -5
So, I wouldn't consider "mega super powered" animated version of Shredder to be the "standard version." That's all. There is no standard Shredder period. The Mirage comic had Donnie and later, after his resurrection Leo, kill him in the first arc like a punk. Then the third time in a flashback a mystic tried to resurrect him and failed. He's actually a minor character in the comics, relatively speaking. It was the 90's show and the 90's movies that made him the de facto "main villain" of the turtles in pop culture, regardless of the comics Really the 2003 show Shredder is no less valid then the comic version. |
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Post by Admin on Sept 24, 2011 19:47:38 GMT -5
Considering Shredder appears a certain way (for the most part)in the comics and most media, and the way you're saying in only one series...Yeah, I'd say the prior is what most people consider the 'standard version' of him. But really, believe what you want, I have no desire to get into this with you twice in one day.
And I wouldn't really say his death in the first issue was 'like a punk,' but that's a matter of personal opinion,
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Sept 24, 2011 19:52:16 GMT -5
Considering Shredder appears a certain way (for the most part)in the comics and most media, and the way you're saying in only one series...Yeah, I'd say the prior is what most people consider the 'standard version' of him. Most older people, when they think of the Shredder. Think of the 90's cartoon and movies. Whom are where the shredder took his place as main villain. Younger audiences likely think of the 2003 show since it was deservedly huge hit. And the recent animated movie and CGI movie Neither of which are like the original comic Shredder. As for comic readers, again all I'm pointing out is that his presence in the comics is minimal compared to other characters. And when he did reapear in the three times he's been active (including the failed resurrection attempt) he'd undergone significant changes. So it's all a matter of opinion on what is the "standard" Shredder. Personally I think if you do, pick the most ruthless, effective, interesting and powerful one. So the turtles can have a worthy foe. |
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Post by Admin on Sept 24, 2011 19:59:56 GMT -5
The last theatrical TMNT movie (cgi one) if anything supported the version of Shredder from the original films. During the trophy wall sequence at the end we see his original helmet, as well as other items loosely connecting the film to the original three live-action movies (the samurai helmet, broken container).
You're right in the sense that if someone is limited to the 03 cartoon, they'll agree he's 'standard Shredder.' But my point is if you take into account ALL of the media under that franchise, the version I'm thinking of is likely agreed upon as the 'generic/standard' version of Shredder.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Sept 24, 2011 20:06:14 GMT -5
The last theatrical TMNT movie (cgi one) if anything supported the version of Shredder from the original films. During the trophy wall sequence at the end we see his original helmet, as well as other items loosely connecting the film to the original three live-action movies (the samurai helmet, broken container). Karai's appearance in the movie and their capabilities as an organization put stronger support on the comic version being the standard version since she is active currently as leader of the foot in the Mirage version after Shredder died. Laird after selling the rights to IDW had just finished issue 32 of the restarted run. Now IDW has publishing rights to the mirage original issues. Thought no wonder yet on the continuiacy of this version as the new series is a completely new universe. Thought the trophies don't take away that 2003 show Shredder couldn't be valid because Karai also appears there and took over the Foot in Shredder's absence and the turtles had numerous trophies from their fights with him. You're right in the sense that if someone is limited to the 03 cartoon, they'll agree he's 'standard Shredder.' But my point is if you take into account ALL of the media under that franchise, the version I'm thinking of is likely agreed upon as the 'generic/standard' version of Shredder. If we're taking the generic shredder to the masses (I.E not us enlightened comic readers and TMNT afficionados). The it's the 90's cartoon version who is a joke that is the standard shredder. The movie version being only midly more effective and the foot having none of the traits to support as they were presented in the CGI movie. |
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Post by Admin on Sept 24, 2011 20:09:59 GMT -5
The trophy sequence seemed like a blatant connection to the original films, seeing as they selected something to represent the focal point of each (Shredder, ooze, samurai) and had said items stand out.
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Post by Admin on Sept 24, 2011 20:12:45 GMT -5
My point is the overall general opinion of what the standard version is considered to be of Shredder. Has the 03 cartoon version been in ANYTHING else?
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Sept 24, 2011 20:15:10 GMT -5
The trophy sequence seemed like a blatant connection to the original films, seeing as they selected something to represent the focal point of each (Shredder, ooze, samurai) and had said items stand out. Not really because these items are focal points in all versions. In the comics, Splinter took the turtles so they could avenge Yoshi. The ooze was their origin (though it's funny because technically there's a nod to DD in there) and their claiming of the Shredder's samurai helm happens in all versions (including the 2003 version) However, what tilts the support to either the comic or the 2003 show is Karai as leader of the foot. Karai never appeared in the 90's cartoon, has no place in the movies. And the foot simply don't work as presented in the CGI movie in such a way that it could be like the 90's live action movies. Furthermore since the main plot involves magic, that further supports it. The only universes with magic and alternate dimensions is the Mirage comics and the 2003 show. |
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Post by Admin on Sept 24, 2011 20:18:33 GMT -5
And I'm sure all people view it like that instead of the MUCH more simplistic "Hey, this fourth movie is keeping somewhat in continuity with the other three"  |
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Sept 24, 2011 20:24:52 GMT -5
And I'm sure all people view it like that instead of the MUCH more simplistic "Hey, this fourth movie is keeping somewhat in continuity with the other three" Screw most people, they're why the TMNT went bankrupt 6 times! |
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Post by Admin on Sept 24, 2011 20:26:24 GMT -5
By the way, did the Turtles know of Karai in the 03 run? I have to assume they've encountered her, yes?
They didn't know her in the 4th film, it was their first encounter. It was news to them the foot was still around and now under a new leader (since it's apparent demise in the 2nd film). Simply put, the movie has its own sense of continuity and taking a character from the most recent (and popular) TMNT canon is only a logical choice for those fans.
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Post by Admin on Sept 24, 2011 20:28:09 GMT -5
And I'm sure all people view it like that instead of the MUCH more simplistic "Hey, this fourth movie is keeping somewhat in continuity with the other three" Screw most people, they're why the TMNT went bankrupt 6 times! LOL. Well, hopefully my purchasing of #1 and 2 next week will make CEOs go "Wow, TMNT is back in business!" Any news on the next live action film? |
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