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Post by Erik-El on Oct 13, 2011 20:13:29 GMT -5
Maybe Dane would know. He is the Cable master here.
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Post by Erik-El on Oct 13, 2011 22:31:19 GMT -5
I know many would want Storm at least in the honorable mentions.
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Post by JediXMan on Oct 13, 2011 23:29:40 GMT -5
Vulcan - Guardians of the Galaxy V2 issue 14 Also stated in Deadly Genesis. Emma calls him Omega-level. I THINK it was #1, but I'd have to check. Not having the TPB doesn't help. |
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Post by Erik-El on Oct 13, 2011 23:53:27 GMT -5
Thanks Jedi. I will look into my copy and confirm when I have the chance if you do not beat me to it.
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Post by JediXMan on Oct 13, 2011 23:59:50 GMT -5
Thanks Jedi. I will look into my copy and confirm when I have the chance if you do not beat me to it. Again  |
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Post by Erik-El on Oct 14, 2011 0:30:14 GMT -5
Thanks Jedi. I will look into my copy and confirm when I have the chance if you do not beat me to it. Again Lol true. |
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Post by DedmanWalkin on Oct 14, 2011 0:44:58 GMT -5
Shouldn't Cable get Omega status by proxy? He is essentially, if not exactly, a clone of Nate Grey who is a confirmed Omega Level Mutant. I know you are seeking out specific confirmation but this is a special case I think. This would also apply to Stryfe as well thanks to him being an exact clone of Cable.
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Post by JediXMan on Oct 14, 2011 0:52:05 GMT -5
Shouldn't Cable get Omega status by proxy? He is essentially, if not exactly, a clone of Nate Grey who is a confirmed Omega Level Mutant. I know you are seeking out specific confirmation but this is a special case I think. This would also apply to Stryfe as well thanks to him being an exact clone of Cable. Different circumstances. Cable = son of a normal mutant and the clone of a mutant. X-Man = cloned from the genetic material of two normal mutants. From looking at it that way, follow me on this: Normal mutant = 1 Clone of mutant = 1/2 So Cable should be 1 1/2. Why isn't X-Man diluted? I'll tell you. It's different. Pryor was just cloned from Jean and grown in a test tube. Sure, X-Man was also grown in an artificial womb. But he was the product of genes from two normal mutants, not just 1. Further proof is that Jean > Pryor. That kinda adds to my dilution theory. Again, just a theory. I typed up a longer explanation once before. |
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Post by Erik-El on Oct 14, 2011 0:56:32 GMT -5
I see what you are saying and yes, I agree to an extent. The only difference is that X-Man was genetically engineered from the best of Jean and Scott's DNA. So while he may be a counterpart to Cable, he is not a perfect match.
Stryfe on the other hand, IS an exact copy of Cable. So if Cable manages to get Omega status, Stryfe would as well.
Aside from X-Man's potentially different genetics, he is an alternate universe character. We cannot consider Cable on that alone for the same reason we cannot assume Xavier from 616 is a telekinetic, even though Ultimate Xavier has shown the ability to use it on one occasion. Or that Beast was devolving in the Mutant X universe, but that does not mean he is devolving in 616 universe.
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Post by Prophet626 on Oct 14, 2011 1:01:57 GMT -5
Would Darwin be one?
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Post by JediXMan on Oct 14, 2011 1:01:59 GMT -5
I see what you are saying and yes, I agree to an extent. The only difference is that X-Man was genetically engineered from the best of Jean and Scott's DNA. So while he may be a counterpart to Cable, he is not a perfect match. Stryfe on the other hand, IS an exact copy of Cable. So if Cable manages to get Omega status, Stryfe would as well. Aside from X-Man's potentially different genetics, he is an alternate universe character. We cannot consider Cable on that alone for the same reason we cannot assume Xavier from 616 is a telekinetic, even though Ultimate Xavier has shown the ability to use it on one occasion. Or that Beast was devolving in the Mutant X universe, but that does not mean he is devolving in 616 universe. I feel like Cable would be stronger than Stryfe if not for the techno virus, due to dilution theory (that clones are weaker than the counterpart. Generally / sometimes / mostly / kinda / a lot / my word is law) |
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Post by JediXMan on Oct 14, 2011 1:02:23 GMT -5
I... don't know. He might be, but I don't know if it was confirmed. |
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Post by Erik-El on Oct 14, 2011 1:08:27 GMT -5
I see what you are saying and yes, I agree to an extent. The only difference is that X-Man was genetically engineered from the best of Jean and Scott's DNA. So while he may be a counterpart to Cable, he is not a perfect match. Stryfe on the other hand, IS an exact copy of Cable. So if Cable manages to get Omega status, Stryfe would as well. Aside from X-Man's potentially different genetics, he is an alternate universe character. We cannot consider Cable on that alone for the same reason we cannot assume Xavier from 616 is a telekinetic, even though Ultimate Xavier has shown the ability to use it on one occasion. Or that Beast was devolving in the Mutant X universe, but that does not mean he is devolving in 616 universe. I feel like Cable would be stronger than Stryfe if not for the techno virus, due to dilution theory (that clones are weaker than the counterpart. Generally / sometimes / mostly / kinda / a lot / my word is law) It is an interesting theory and according to some fiction, it is law but the term "perfect clone" means that there is absolutely no difference on any physical level and Stryfe is that to Cable. If not for the virus, there should be no way to physically tell the difference. Especially with cloning technology from 2000 years in the future. Oh and Maddie lost to Jean not because the clone was weaker, but because Jean's connection with the Phoenix Force amplified her power levels after the connection was severed. |
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Post by JediXMan on Oct 14, 2011 1:10:48 GMT -5
I feel like Cable would be stronger than Stryfe if not for the techno virus, due to dilution theory (that clones are weaker than the counterpart. Generally / sometimes / mostly / kinda / a lot / my word is law) It is an interesting theory and according to some fiction, it is law but the term "perfect clone" means that there is absolutely no difference on any physical level and Stryfe is that to Cable. If not for the virus, there should be no way to physically tell the difference. Especially with cloning technology from 2000 years in the future. Oh and Maddie lost to Jean not because the clone was weaker, but because Jean's connection with the Phoenix Force amplified her power levels after the connection was severed. But doesn't Cable's best feat out do Stryfe's? I'm asking. I'm no expert on either. I'm the X-Man fanboy, not the Summers-Grey-messed-up-family fanboy. |
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Post by Erik-El on Oct 14, 2011 1:13:43 GMT -5
It is an interesting theory and according to some fiction, it is law but the term "perfect clone" means that there is absolutely no difference on any physical level and Stryfe is that to Cable. If not for the virus, there should be no way to physically tell the difference. Especially with cloning technology from 2000 years in the future. Oh and Maddie lost to Jean not because the clone was weaker, but because Jean's connection with the Phoenix Force amplified her power levels after the connection was severed. But doesn't Cable's best feat out do Stryfe's? I'm asking. I'm no expert on either. I'm the X-Man fanboy, not the Summers-Grey-messed-up-family fanboy. Cable's Providence feats far outclass Stryfe's feats. But Stryfe has been said to be less trained than he should be and much less than Cable is. After all, Cable was raised on Jean's training, Stryfe was not. At least that is how I take Apocalypse's "So much power, so little strength" comment. |
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Post by Dane on Oct 14, 2011 1:21:21 GMT -5
Stryfe is generally considered an Alpha-level mutant. The main reason is because his TP/TK feats do not match confirmed Omega-level mutants like Jean Grey or Nate Grey. My personal view is that Stryfe lacks the personal drive that you find in people like Jean or Nathan and because he was genetically altered by Apocalypse.
Now it is stated that Apocalypse augmented him physically to around the 10 ton level. This is quite true but it also seems oddly convenient that Stryfe could never use his powers to overpower Apocalypse, despite the fact that a considerably weaker Cable could.
I'd say Stryfe is probably as strong or stronger than Exodus. He is very experienced at using his powers, but he never had the personal character or mental strength to mentally dominate or repulse Xavier level telepaths like Nate Grey and Cable both did. That and his telekinetic feats are honestly on the scale of Darth Vader more than any top tier comic-book psionics.
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Post by Erik-El on Oct 14, 2011 1:35:09 GMT -5
I had no idea that Stryfe was actually physically augmented. I always assumed it was his suit that provided the increased strength. I thought Jean and Scott interrupted Stryfe's augmentation but that is just a guess on a faded memory.
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Post by Dane on Oct 14, 2011 1:54:22 GMT -5
Nope, he was physically augmented to be superhuman in all fields.
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Post by Erik-El on Oct 14, 2011 2:02:57 GMT -5
I guess I have some poorly drawn issues to read again then. Never cared for the Askani arc largely due to the art....
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Post by DedmanWalkin on Oct 14, 2011 2:03:42 GMT -5
Jean Grey is not the Mother of X-Man and Madelyne Pryor is not the Mother of Cable, it is the Phoenix Force. It is Jean Grey in every reality and Jean Grey is it in every reality. Madelyne Pryor was resurrected by the Phoenix. Phoenix = Phoenix so their should be no dilution.
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