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Post by Erik-El on Mar 17, 2012 11:43:25 GMT -5
Whatever that organization was that was secretly controlling SHIELD and Fury himself for decades without his knowledge.
Never did finish that story but pulling that out of the air that Fury has been fooled for decades was a big deal.
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Post by DedmanWalkin on Mar 17, 2012 12:09:56 GMT -5
The Hutts operate mostly in the outer rim which is not Imperial/Republic Space. They do send teams into the Empire for what we might call criminal activity but it really is more like inter-governmental espionage than crime.
Those Storm Troopers only got there when the giant Imperial Star Destroyer was in orbit. The United States has troops in other countries right now so I don't see how it is strange that the Empire has troops in other government's territories.
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Post by Silver on Mar 17, 2012 12:53:32 GMT -5
Don't the Hutts operate inside the Empire? I mean there were Stormtroopers on Tatooine. No, not really. The stormtroopers were only there because they were looking for Threepio and Artoo. Tatooine is still a Hutt-controlled planet. Both the Hutts and the Cairn operate as de facto governments in places that are not governed by other governments meaning they are the government. If they are the government then they cannot be criminal organizations. They are at the very least rogue states but not criminal organizations despite whatever they may call themselves. Not really. They cannot be considered a government system with their disjointed operations. There are numerous Hutt cartels that often rival one another, and individual Hutts also join other criminal organizations, such as Black Sun. And speaking of, Black Sun is another notably powerful criminal organization. |
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Post by DedmanWalkin on Mar 17, 2012 21:25:50 GMT -5
The Hutts are simply a more feudalistic government but if some outside force (IE: The Empire) threatened to take the outer rim from them, I have no doubt that they would come together to repel them.
Black Sun is an interesting choice but it seems that it was merely a pawn of Palpatine.
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Mar 18, 2012 6:03:35 GMT -5
Whatever that organization was that was secretly controlling SHIELD and Fury himself for decades without his knowledge. Never did finish that story but pulling that out of the air that Fury has been fooled for decades was a big deal. Hydra? Yeah, they're big, but like the Intergang they generally have a track record of being fail incarnate. |
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Post by Beatboks on Mar 18, 2012 11:25:04 GMT -5
It may be the briefest but what about the "society" (ala Luthor, Black Adam, Talia, calculator ) from Villains unite?? It was basically the majority of DC earths super villains ans criminal organizations in one (so basically Intergang, League of assassins, Teth's armies of Kandaq and a few others with the secret Society of Super villains, fearsome five, and several other vilain groups).
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Post by Beatboks on Mar 18, 2012 11:26:45 GMT -5
In Australian "Cyclone comics" definitely "murder inc", I don't think anyone (other than the US gov can compete with Hydra in Marvel). Obviously Cobra in GI joe, I'd agree Hutt's in SW. @dedman on the Cairn criminal network, might I remind you they run criminal activities in five galaxies and they're not the "governing power" in those galaxies. The whole reason they controlled the Cairn police was so that when other governments/law enforcing bodies came after them they would be for warned as no one would simply go after them on a foreign power without seeing the "power"
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Mar 18, 2012 15:09:53 GMT -5
I'd agree with the society. They were quite short lived, but their track record outstrips just about every other organization in DC. I mean as long as they existed they basically took command over every villain on the planet and several quite big cosmic ones.
Their problem was staying power though. They were united over the fear that heroes have become extreme in their methods and willing to go beyond their principles to punish them. Once that fear evaporated, so did the society. Of course, having their leader turn out to be a doppelganger and get shot by the original didn't help either.
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Post by DedmanWalkin on Mar 18, 2012 16:55:05 GMT -5
The Cairn's operations in other galaxies is simply espionage not crime. Spies are just criminals with government backing which is what the Cairn are.
The Society is a good choice but they had a somewhat reasonably good intentioned objective which sort of makes them somewhat good guys. Even if they were all just pawns in Alex Luthor's end game they believed they were stopping the 'good guys' from performing as judge, jury, and executioner. This is something that benefits not only them but also benefits everyone else as extreme heroes only hurt the general populace (IE: Kingdom Come).
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Post by Silver on Mar 18, 2012 17:27:54 GMT -5
The Hutts are simply a more feudalistic government but if some outside force (IE: The Empire) threatened to take the outer rim from them, I have no doubt that they would come together to repel them. Show me a source that identifies the Hutts as a governmental system. Black Sun is an interesting choice but it seems that it was merely a pawn of Palpatine. No, they weren't. The leader of Black Sun at the time, Prince Xizor, wanted to earn favor from Palpatine and undermine Vader. Black Sun as an organization existed centuries before the Empire came to power, and in fact, Palpatine once had Maul destroy every member of Black Sun. |
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Post by Beatboks on Mar 18, 2012 20:48:05 GMT -5
The Cairn's operations in other galaxies is simply espionage not crime. Spies are just criminals with government backing which is what the Cairn are. They were a criminal organization first who started out buying officials until they owned all on their world. I don't see how that's any different to the mafia buying judges or politicians. Or for that many any different to the way the "council of 12" ( original Nemesis/ Tom Tresser run) operated. They had several very high level officials in their pockets and Tom became the Nemesis because those connections made them aware of his brothers successes in investigating them resulting in their execution of him. Or to the criminal organizations in Hub City (Question Question Quarterly) where they own all bot a dozen (or 2) police officers and owned the mayor and city council until Vic's friend took office. |
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Post by DedmanWalkin on Mar 18, 2012 21:07:43 GMT -5
At one point, the Cairn was a criminal organization but when they bought that last politician they ceased being a thorn in the Man's side to being the Man. When you own the government, you are the government.
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Post by Erik-El on Mar 18, 2012 22:00:40 GMT -5
Whatever that organization was that was secretly controlling SHIELD and Fury himself for decades without his knowledge. Never did finish that story but pulling that out of the air that Fury has been fooled for decades was a big deal. Hydra? Yeah, they're big, but like the Intergang they generally have a track record of being fail incarnate. Except that what was revealed was that this was all a ruse. A fail ruse to fool and control the Fury. |
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Mar 18, 2012 22:29:16 GMT -5
Except that what was revealed was that this was all a ruse. A fail ruse to fool and control the Fury. bullshit retcon much?  *incoherent nerd rage ensues* |
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