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Post by Power NeXus on Aug 25, 2012 12:35:02 GMT -5
For this battle, I chose eight street level heroes to compete in a standard, single elimination tournament. But what's the catch? Each fighter is armed with the standard gear of one of the other fighters in the tournament. RULES -Competitors have none of their own gear. They are armed ONLY with what is assigned to them. -Winners are given a few hours for rest/eating/first aid between fights, but they are not told who their next opponent will be. -All morals are on, and everyone is in character. However, all of them have been led to believe that 100 innocent civilians will die if they lose a fight. -Each character gets 24 hours before the tournament to practice using their new weapons in the Danger Room. -This works like a standard single elimination tournament. Winner from the first bracket takes on winner from the second bracket. Winner from the third bracket takes on winner from the fourth bracket, and so on and so forth. -Victory is achieved by death, KO, or incapacitation. No BFR. -Kraven is pre KLH. He has the serum but he's not all immortal and whatnot. All other characters are current. -All fights take place at the MW2 multiplayer map Highrise. Fighters start on opposite sides of the map. -Please don't just say "X character wins the tournament." Explain how you think the fights would go down and why you think a certain person would win. Debate is, after all, the point of this forum. BRACKET 1 Steve Rogers - armed with Batman's usual gear (Batsuit, grapple gun, batarangs) vs Kraven - armed with two pair of Daredevil's billy clubs BRACKET 2 Daredevil - has Bane's Venom apparatus giving him 2-ton strength and increased durability and pain tolerance vs Silver Samurai - armed with Captain America's shield BRACKET 3 Bruce Wayne - armed with Taskmaster's UDON device (can create hard light constructs to simulate Cap's shield, Wolverine's claws, DD's billy clubs, or Spider-Man's webbing) vs Taskmaster - armed with Silver Samurai's armor, katana, and throwing stars BRACKET 4 Bane - armed with Hawkeye's bow and quiver (a dozen regular arrows, 2 explosive, 1 sonic, 1 net) and two pair of nunchuks vs Clint Barton - armed with Kraven's standard assortment of spears, knives, nets, poisons, etc.
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Post by Power NeXus on Aug 26, 2012 14:38:50 GMT -5
Aw, come on u guiz. Even Comicvine was able to give me two or three decent replies to this one. And they never comment on battles that take more than four seconds to read.
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Post by Beatboks on Aug 27, 2012 8:14:55 GMT -5
Honestly Nexus, I think the battle forum is a forgotten entity on here these days. Crom's reply to my Defenders/shadowpact tourney was the last reply on battles for like a week or two straight. I usually once logging glance at the last post on home page for each forum, than most recent and if it looks like status quo head off, or only look at the thread that was added to. I'll only open a thread if the title piques my interest.
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Post by xdmempstrikesback on Aug 27, 2012 17:29:43 GMT -5
Daredevil with venom for me ! He should be very dangerous.
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Post by Strafe Prower on Sept 12, 2012 6:56:14 GMT -5
Round 1 - I'm going with Cap here. Better equipment and a better fighter.
Round 2 - Daredevil will win this one. Silver Samurai is good, but that 2 ton strength is gonna be quite useful here IMO.
Round 3 - This is really close, but I will take Batman via his weapon versatility.
Round 4 - I don't care what you give Clint, it's gonna be extremely difficult for him to beat Bane. Bane ftw.
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Post by Ferro_Vida on Sept 20, 2012 17:01:01 GMT -5
Bracket 1: I would give this round to Cap. Even taking the gear they are given out of this altogether, Cap is a better fighter. The two of them are pretty close in terms of physical stats, but Cap has a good record of adapting to weapons that he isn't used to. A recent example would be in Avengers Prime when he arms himself with various Medieval weapons and armour (and uses them proficiently) or in his brief appearance in Mark Waid's Daredevil where he quickly learned to use DD's billy club on the fly.
Bracket 2: I loled when I read that SS has Cap's shield. Daredevil would win. Making him stronger and more durable doesn't make him any less likely to avoid a hit. I don't see him changing his strategy due to this boost. SS's best feats are with a sword. He has good accuracy, but if he throws that shield then he will just give DD a new weapon to use against him. This match up really isn't fair.
Bracket 3: I'm leaning towards Batman, but this one really could go either way. It depends on how quickly Bruce figures out the device. Taskmaster is dangerous, but he's nothing Batman hasn't beaten before.
EDIT: Bruce wins. I misread the OP.
Bracket 4: I haven't really seen any great accuracy feats from Bane. I'm thinking Clint wins this. He has plenty of projectiles to work with here, and his time as Ronin showed that he has some great stealth abilities. If this fight got up close and personal Bane would win. I don't think Clint would let it get up close and personal.
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Post by Ferro_Vida on Sept 20, 2012 17:03:57 GMT -5
Round 1 - I'm going with Cap here. Better equipment and a better fighter. Round 2 - Daredevil will win this one. Silver Samurai is good, but that 2 ton strength is gonna be quite useful here IMO. Round 3 - This is really close, but I will take Batman via his weapon versatility. Round 4 - I don't care what you give Clint, it's gonna be extremely difficult for him to beat Bane. Bane ftw. HOW CLINT BEAT BANE *Clint walks up to Bane, a jar of Kraven's poison in his hand* "I hear you like venom, so I got you this. Let's be friends." *Bane's heart is warmed by the gesture. He takes the jar and promptly drink it. Seconds pass. He falls to the floor convulsing.* FLAWLESS VICTORY.
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Post by Strafe Prower on Sept 20, 2012 17:10:59 GMT -5
Round 1 - I'm going with Cap here. Better equipment and a better fighter. Round 2 - Daredevil will win this one. Silver Samurai is good, but that 2 ton strength is gonna be quite useful here IMO. Round 3 - This is really close, but I will take Batman via his weapon versatility. Round 4 - I don't care what you give Clint, it's gonna be extremely difficult for him to beat Bane. Bane ftw. HOW CLINT BEAT BANE *Clint walks up to Bane, a jar of Kraven's poison in his hand* "I hear you like venom, so I got you this. Let's be friends." *Bane's heart is warmed by the gesture. He takes the jar and promptly drink it. Seconds pass. He falls to the floor convulsing.* FLAWLESS VICTORY. LMAO But in all seriousness, you think Clint will win?
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Post by Ferro_Vida on Sept 20, 2012 17:12:52 GMT -5
HOW CLINT BEAT BANE *Clint walks up to Bane, a jar of Kraven's poison in his hand* "I hear you like venom, so I got you this. Let's be friends." *Bane's heart is warmed by the gesture. He takes the jar and promptly drink it. Seconds pass. He falls to the floor convulsing.* FLAWLESS VICTORY. LMAO But in all seriousness, you think Clint will win? I think Clint could win with Kraven's gear and this set up. He's ruthless and surprisingly stealthy. If he uses that to his advantage he can win.
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Post by Dane on Sept 20, 2012 17:53:35 GMT -5
I think whatever ruthlessness and tactical acumen Clint might have would fit into Bane's pinky. Just sayin'
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Post by Ferro_Vida on Sept 20, 2012 18:53:13 GMT -5
I think whatever ruthlessness and tactical acumen Clint might have would fit into Bane's pinky. Just sayin' I'm not arguing that. Clint just walked away from this draw with a set of gear that is much more useful to him.
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Post by Dane on Sept 20, 2012 19:08:07 GMT -5
I think whatever ruthlessness and tactical acumen Clint might have would fit into Bane's pinky. Just sayin' I'm not arguing that. Clint just walked away from this draw with a set of gear that is much more useful to him. I agree, but I think Bane will out-think him.
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Post by Ferro_Vida on Sept 20, 2012 19:12:38 GMT -5
I'm not arguing that. Clint just walked away from this draw with a set of gear that is much more useful to him. I agree, but I think Bane will out-think him. Could you outline how you think this would happen?
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Post by Dane on Sept 20, 2012 19:14:01 GMT -5
I agree, but I think Bane will out-think him. Could you outline how you think this would happen? Bane is better tactically, he will use his intelligence, environment and superior physical attributes and fighting skills to win.
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Post by Ferro_Vida on Sept 20, 2012 19:23:24 GMT -5
Could you outline how you think this would happen? Bane is better tactically, he will use his intelligence, environment and superior physical attributes and fighting skills to win. Bane is better tactically, but Clint isn't a total idiot in that regard. He's great at guerilla tactics and he is quick and accurate enough to tag Bane. The way he has been written more recently Bane is more likely to take a hit then to avoid it, which would work nicely for Clint if he were to use poison-dipped spears and knives.
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Post by Dane on Sept 20, 2012 19:29:28 GMT -5
Well is this current or pre-dcnu Bane? I haven't read anything from him since Gail Simone's Secret Six run.
The way I see it, up close Clint gets rocked. I don't think anyone would disagree with me there. So the only way he could win is by deception or by tactically outmaneuvering Bane. I say he has never ever shown that level of intelligence or skill. Bane outwitted Batman. Also, Bane has the pain tolerance and body control to resist poisons long enough to put Clint down even if that was the case, which frankly I don't think it is. Bucky dodged Clint's arrows pretty easily, I don't see him tagging Bane with a much slower spear.
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Post by Ferro_Vida on Sept 20, 2012 19:34:44 GMT -5
Well is this current or pre-dcnu Bane? I haven't read anything from him since Gail Simone's Secret Six run. The way I see it, up close Clint gets rocked. I don't think anyone would disagree with me there. So the only way he could win is by deception or by tactically outmaneuvering Bane. I say he has never ever shown that level of intelligence or skill. Bane outwitted Batman. Also, Bane has the pain tolerance and body control to resist poisons long enough to put Clint down even if that was the case, which frankly I don't think it is. Bucky dodged Clint's arrows pretty easily, I don't see him tagging Bane with a much slower spear. I was thinking of the Secret Six run. The issues I read had him tanking hits left and right. Agreed on close range. When you say Bane outwitted Batman, are you referring to Knightfall? Because that required an awful lot of prep. And Bucky dodged Clint's arrows in a training room when Clint was not trying to kill him and when Bucky was well aware that he was being fired at. As for Clint's tactics, the only real examples I can think of are when the Avengers fought the skrull doppelgangers in the savage land and when he was taking out the Dark Avengers. With the Secret Invasion he immediately saw where he would be of the most use, took out the Hawkeye Skrull and used his bow and arrows to pick off the opposition from the shadows. The Dark Avengers bit really just shows dumb luck and that he knows how guerrilla warfare works.
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Post by Dane on Sept 20, 2012 20:04:10 GMT -5
Are we really going to use that Dark Avengers stuff? That one where he threw Venom out a window? Any one of those characters would have rocked Clint and we all know it. Taking out Skrulls is equally unimpressive. They had no feats and were really nothing more than fodder with powersets.
Bucky dodging Clint's arrows is just as valid as anyone. There's nothing to suggest Bane is any less aware that someone is attacking him. Since when does Clint try to kill people to begin with? It says morals on and in-character. Makes me doubt Clint would use the poisons at all unless he had the antidote, which he doesn't. I remember Bane tanking hits from Ragdoll's sister but he was chained up at the time so he didn't have much of a say in it.
I'm not saying Clint is unable to engage in guerilla warfare, but to say he's better at it than Bane? That's a huge stretch even as a Hawkeye fan. Bane's MO was to blindside people and break their backs. He's a unit.
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Post by Ferro_Vida on Sept 20, 2012 20:17:54 GMT -5
Are we really going to use that Dark Avengers stuff? That one where he threw Venom out a window? Any one of those characters would have rocked Clint and we all know it. Taking out Skrulls is equally unimpressive. They had no feats and were really nothing more than fodder with powersets. Bucky dodging Clint's arrows is just as valid as anyone. There's nothing to suggest Bane is any less aware that someone is attacking him. Since when does Clint try to kill people to begin with? It says morals on and in-character. Makes me doubt Clint would use the poisons at all unless he had the antidote, which he doesn't. I remember Bane tanking hits from Ragdoll's sister but he was chained up at the time so he didn't have much of a say in it. I'm not saying Clint is unable to engage in guerilla warfare, but to say he's better at it than Bane? That's a huge stretch even as a Hawkeye fan. Bane's MO was to blindside people and break their backs. He's a unit. Nah, the point of bringing it up was to be honest about the fact that I don't know much in the way of Hawkeye's strategic feats. That is a point I would argue. If Clint had been standing behind Bucky, and if Bucky had been unaware of him firing an arrow, and if he had still dodged it then it would be a valid comparison. Bane doesn't have eyes in the back of his head, He can be snuck up on. Didn't Hawkeye kill/maim a couple of people in his current series? He also didn't have a problem stabbing ninjas in New Avengers (granted, they were Hand Ninjas). Can you show me Bane successfully sneaking up on someone other then an exhausted Batman? I'm honestly asking, I haven't read that much of him.
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Post by Dane on Sept 20, 2012 20:39:31 GMT -5
Well yeah, in Knightfall he detects Robin spying on him pretty much immediately and Killer Croc is foiled when he tries to sneak up on him. Not saying either of them are masters of stealth but let's face it, Clint isn't either.
He also takes down a goon 5 feet from Batman without Bruce knowing and has gotten the drop on Bruce when he was in his Matches Malone disguise.
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