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Post by creator on Nov 4, 2012 11:30:53 GMT -5
Power Grid: Mental Manipulation This is the grid discussion for the following powers, Telepathy (including Empathy) Telepathic Body Control Emotion Control Memory Alteration (including Memory Reading) Psychic Combat (includes Psychic Blasts and Mental Shields) Hallucinations Astral Travel (including manipulation of the Astral Plane) Psychic Senses (Precognition, Postcognition, Item Reading) These grids are composed of adders that you use to build up the characters power. Look at their feats and these use the adders on the grids to build an approximation of their power. Where possible please list the adders used to rank the character. As we have a lot of powers on this grid, we will need to have compiled lists for each power. I will post these once we have begun to rank each character. Please feel free to post feats but try to make them ones that can be ranked. If required I can and will (with your help) attempt to estimate the feat. Let's start by compiling a list of characters that we can rank under this grid Attachments:
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Post by Supreme Marvel on Nov 4, 2012 11:52:01 GMT -5
Darksied did 6 million in at one time in the Great Darkness Saga. That's was still cannon in the latest non-New 52 DC Legion of Superheroes.
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Post by creator on Nov 4, 2012 12:11:55 GMT -5
Telepathy (including Empathy)
Prof X Emma Frost Sage Martian Manhunter Contemplator X-man Darkseid Aquaman Gorilla Grodd Mento Capt Comet Saturn Girl Psimon Despro Hector Hammond Hitman Brainwave Jr Thanos Franklin Richards Rachael Summers Shadow King Watcher Moondragon Exodus Ikaris Mentally Overmind
Telepathic Body Control
Prof X Emma Frost Contemplator X-man Darkseid Aquaman Gorilla Grodd Capt Comet Psimon Shadow King Moonstar Moondragon Exodus Mesmero
Emotion Control
Prof X Emma Frost Contemplator X-man Aquaman Gorilla Grodd Cot Comet Saturn Girl Psimon Despro Brainwave Jr Shadow King Moondragon Exodus Eros
Memory Alteration (including Memory Reading)
Prof X Emma Frost Contemplator X-man Gorilla Grodd Capt Comet Psimon Hector Hammond Hitman Shadow King Moondragon Exodus Ikaris Overmind Mentally
Psychic Combat (includes Psychic Blasts and Mental Shields)
Prof X Emma Frost Contemplator X-man Aquaman Darkseid Gorilla Grodd Capt Comet Saturn Girl Psimon Despro Brainwave Jr Thanos Shadow King Moondragon Exodus Overmind
Hallucinations
Prof X Emma Frost Mastermind Contemplator Gorilla Grodd Capt Comet Psimon Shadow King Exodus
Astral Travel (including manipulation of the Astral Plane)
Prof X Emma Frost Dr Strange Contemplator Shadow King Moondragon Exodus
Psychic Senses (Precognition, Postcognition, Item Reading)
Contemplator Destiny Spider-Man Midnighter Dream Girl Zeus (Marvel) Watcher Madame Web
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Post by CitizenBane on Nov 4, 2012 13:22:06 GMT -5
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Post by Supreme Marvel on Nov 4, 2012 14:08:20 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure Darkseid mind-controlled 3 billion Daxamites in the Great Darkness Saga, not just 6 million. Yeah, he's right. I thought I put billion.
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Post by Erik-El on Nov 4, 2012 14:56:31 GMT -5
Wait... if he can control 3 billion minds, why doesn't he just do that to heroes that are particularly susceptible to mind control... like Superman for example?
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Post by Supreme Marvel on Nov 4, 2012 15:16:51 GMT -5
Wait... if he can control 3 billion minds, why doesn't he just do that to heroes that are particularly susceptible to mind control... like Superman for example? Too easy?
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Post by Erik-El on Nov 4, 2012 15:20:10 GMT -5
Wait... if he can control 3 billion minds, why doesn't he just do that to heroes that are particularly susceptible to mind control... like Superman for example? Too easy? LOL Too easy seems preferable to being forced into the Source Wall or other such humiliating losses. Was there extenuating circumstances that allowed this mind control of an entire population? Didn't he need to find something to control the human population?
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Post by Supreme Marvel on Nov 4, 2012 16:51:01 GMT -5
LOL Too easy seems preferable to being forced into the Source Wall or other such humiliating losses. Was there extenuating circumstances that allowed this mind control of an entire population? Didn't he need to find something to control the human population? Silver Age stories? He needed the Anti-Life Equation, but I think that works on 99% of the population of either Earth or the Universe.
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Post by Erik-El on Nov 4, 2012 17:20:45 GMT -5
Are you talking about Silver Age stories? Because I'm not. I was actually talking about Superman/Batman: Supergirl.
Okay so the Anti-Life Equation is what allows him to control the people of Earth but did he need that or something similar to control the Daxamites?
I am just trying to figure this power of his out because as far as sense goes, it makes none.
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Post by creator on Nov 4, 2012 17:38:09 GMT -5
Are you talking about Silver Age stories? Because I'm not. I was actually talking about Superman/Batman: Supergirl. Okay so the Anti-Life Equation is what allows him to control the people of Earth but did he need that or something similar to control the Daxamites? I am just trying to figure this power of his out because as far as sense goes, it makes none. I have the comics. He mind controls the entire Daxamite race that was on Daxam at the time. In a similar manner, he transported an entire planet across potentially hundreds of light years (I think he exchanged 2 planets).
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Post by Supreme Marvel on Nov 4, 2012 18:00:46 GMT -5
Are you talking about Silver Age stories? Because I'm not. I was actually talking about Superman/Batman: Supergirl. Okay so the Anti-Life Equation is what allows him to control the people of Earth but did he need that or something similar to control the Daxamites? I am just trying to figure this power of his out because as far as sense goes, it makes none. I thought you meant, how could he do that and my reply was a questionable Silver Age stories answer. Creator answered the rest about Great Darkness Saga.
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Post by Erik-El on Nov 4, 2012 18:24:49 GMT -5
Are you talking about Silver Age stories? Because I'm not. I was actually talking about Superman/Batman: Supergirl. Okay so the Anti-Life Equation is what allows him to control the people of Earth but did he need that or something similar to control the Daxamites? I am just trying to figure this power of his out because as far as sense goes, it makes none. I have the comics. He mind controls the entire Daxamite race that was on Daxam at the time. In a similar manner, he transported an entire planet across potentially hundreds of light years (I think he exchanged 2 planets). So why can't he control humanity without the Anti-Life Equation? Or control one super hero that is vulnerable to mental control without aid like he did when he needed his alchemist to create a stone that would make Superman his puppet?
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Post by Supreme Marvel on Nov 4, 2012 18:28:39 GMT -5
Didn't he have Superman as his pet early in Byrne's Superman run?
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Post by Erik-El on Nov 4, 2012 18:31:06 GMT -5
Didn't he have Superman as his pet early in Byrne's Superman run? *Shrugs* No clue. That is why I am asking, because it doesn't make sense that he would have any problem with Earth with his supposed power, yet Earth heroes defeat him again and again. I would think with the ego DS has, one loss is all it would take for him to take "the easy way" in getting the victory over Earth.
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Post by CitizenBane on Nov 4, 2012 18:36:33 GMT -5
The Darkseid from GDS is a more powerful version from the future.
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Post by Supreme Marvel on Nov 4, 2012 18:38:58 GMT -5
That ^^ any better, Erik?
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Post by Erik-El on Nov 4, 2012 18:41:43 GMT -5
The Darkseid from GDS is a more powerful version from the future. Well that explains things. So what are the limits of DS's mental powers from normal Post Crisis continuity? Does he even have any?
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Post by Supreme Marvel on Nov 4, 2012 18:47:09 GMT -5
Best answered by a person who has read more Darkseid stuff. Where is Phantom when you need him?
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Post by CitizenBane on Nov 4, 2012 18:50:18 GMT -5
The Darkseid from GDS is a more powerful version from the future. Well that explains things. So what are the limits of DS's mental powers from normal Post Crisis continuity? Does he even have any? Supposedly he emanates an aura of dread that keeps everyone on Apokolips in fear of him, if I remember correctly. He's blocked psychic attacks from Raven and Bekka and at one point resisted the attempts of an Anti-Life Equation-powered Mr. Miracle to control his mind. He's downloaded information into Tempest's mind with a touch but I don't recall him ever using telepathy offensively in battle.
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