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Post by Admin on Nov 28, 2010 18:24:01 GMT -5
OH SNAP! DEBATE!
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Post by Morpheus on Nov 28, 2010 18:24:15 GMT -5
Beating Vermin isn't backed by her stats.
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Post by Morpheus on Nov 28, 2010 18:26:00 GMT -5
Spider Girl already beat Ana, Vancey pants. Joe Kelly sends you and Luna his condolences.
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Post by Admin on Nov 28, 2010 18:30:30 GMT -5
Spider Girl already beat Ana, Vancey pants. Joe Kelly sends you and Luna his condolences. And how'd Kaine do in the same story?
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Post by Morpheus on Nov 28, 2010 18:31:29 GMT -5
Spider Girl already beat Ana, Vancey pants. Joe Kelly sends you and Luna his condolences. And how'd Kaine do in the same story? Do I look like I give a damn?
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Post by Killshot Caine on Nov 28, 2010 19:03:41 GMT -5
Spider Girl already beat Ana, Vancey pants. Joe Kelly sends you and Luna his condolences. I'm aware but i'm saying that doesn't make any sense.I don't even see her beating Ana with her powers let alone as Spider-Girl without her powers.
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Post by Admin on Nov 28, 2010 19:04:55 GMT -5
And how'd Kaine do in the same story? Do I look like I give a damn? You look like you give approximately four damns.
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Post by Killshot Caine on Nov 28, 2010 19:08:19 GMT -5
Beating Vermin isn't backed by her stats. Nothing Vermin has done is back by HIS stats either so I guess they are even
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Post by Killshot Caine on Nov 28, 2010 19:08:37 GMT -5
Do I look like I give a damn? You look like you give approximately four damns. LOL.
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Post by Morpheus on Nov 28, 2010 19:09:12 GMT -5
Spider Girl already beat Ana, Vancey pants. Joe Kelly sends you and Luna his condolences. I'm aware but i'm saying that doesn't make any sense.I don't even see her beating Ana with her powers let alone as Spider-Girl without her powers. Based on their stats (Ana being at class 4 strength but without a known limit, Arana being at 3 tons based on the most recent entry), and their common speed feats, I honestly see nothing Ana has done, or is supposed to be capable of doing that make her untouchable to Arana.Truth is, I don't care at all about Kaine.
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Post by Admin on Nov 28, 2010 19:12:54 GMT -5
"Truth is, I don't care at all about Kaine." Must....resist....abusing power....and modifying your post....
Meh, assuming she's 2 tons and can run 60mph is a fair assumption, since that is on average what applies to everyone in her family LOL
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Post by Killshot Caine on Nov 28, 2010 19:25:42 GMT -5
@darkness....
I didn't say that Ana was untouchable I was saying that Arana shouldn't be able to beat her.She doesn't any edge over Ana at all.She's not a better fighter, she's not smarter,and she's outclasses physically at her current level so how would she be able to beat Ana without a plot device?
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Post by Morpheus on Nov 28, 2010 19:25:43 GMT -5
Fair assumption, yes, no reason to believe that somehow makes her something Arana can't hope to face without a plot device, no.
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Post by Killshot Caine on Nov 28, 2010 19:28:34 GMT -5
Fair assumption, yes, no reason to believe that somehow makes her something Arana can't hope to face without a plot device, no. Usually when a street leveler takes on an opponent they have an edge over their opponent whether it be fighting skill,powers,intellect or tactical ability.Arana has none of those.
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Post by Morpheus on Nov 28, 2010 19:32:11 GMT -5
@darkness.... I didn't say that Ana was untouchable I was saying that Arana shouldn't be able to beat her.She doesn't any edge over Ana at all.She's not a better fighter, she's not smarter,and she's outclasses physically at her current level so how would she be able to beat Ana without a plot device? If we go by stats, Ana isn't a better fighter, either. They are both at class 4. She isn't smarter? Ana's gratest problem is her inability to follow orders and make sound tactical choices prior, or during combat. Her overconfidence and pride made her incapable of realising she captured the wrong person during her very first appearance, and a regular cop got the drop on her, for the very same reason.
Alyosha kept calling her out on it for pretty much the entirety of Grim Hunt ("stop talking" - "you talk too much"). So I don't see how she is smarter, when she acts like an idiot virtually all the time.Arana's current level in stats is the same as Ana's if not better. So I see no clear-cut advantage for either party, save for fighting ability (I was joking above), and even then, Ana has faults that counteract that advantage, as I pointed out.
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Post by Morpheus on Nov 28, 2010 19:34:44 GMT -5
Fair assumption, yes, no reason to believe that somehow makes her something Arana can't hope to face without a plot device, no. Usually when a street leveler takes on an opponent they have an edge over their opponent whether it be fighting skill,powers,intellect or tactical ability.Arana has none of those. Care to point out anything tactical, or actually intelligent Ana has done on her own, ever? She is more skilled, power-wise she is probably a bit lower, and intelligence wise...eh, better not to make a list from her failures because I'll be the bad guy again.
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Post by Killshot Caine on Nov 28, 2010 19:40:03 GMT -5
Usually when a street leveler takes on an opponent they have an edge over their opponent whether it be fighting skill,powers,intellect or tactical ability.Arana has none of those. Care to point out anything tactical, or actually intelligent Ana has done on her own, ever? She is more skilled, power-wise she is probably a bit lower, and intelligence wise...eh, better not to make a list from her failures because I'll be the bad guy again. Ana may have failed to match Sergei and other Kravens tactically but the fact of the matter is Ana intellect is gifted.....and Anya's is normal.
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Post by Morpheus on Nov 28, 2010 19:42:50 GMT -5
Care to point out anything tactical, or actually intelligent Ana has done on her own, ever? She is more skilled, power-wise she is probably a bit lower, and intelligence wise...eh, better not to make a list from her failures because I'll be the bad guy again. Ana may have failed to match Sergei and other Kravens tactically but the fact of the matter is Ana intellect is gifted.....and Anya's is normal. We both know that a person's sheer IQ is not nearly as significant when it comes to combat. You yourself have pointed out how bad Spider-Man usually is in combat tactics, and he is nearly at genius level (unrelated sidenote, but Big Time seems to heavily promote the notion that he is a genius).
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Post by Killshot Caine on Nov 28, 2010 19:46:33 GMT -5
Ana may have failed to match Sergei and other Kravens tactically but the fact of the matter is Ana intellect is gifted.....and Anya's is normal. We both know that a person's sheer IQ is not nearly as significant when it comes to combat. You yourself have pointed out how bad Spider-Man usually is in combat tactics, and he is nearly at genius level (unrelated sidenote, but Big Time seems to heavily promote the notion that he is a genius).The difference between Spider-Man and Ana is Ana is trained Hunter and Fighter..Spider-Man just does any old thing.To be honest the things he tries in combat is borderline retarded and even for someone like me who isn't a fighter would no better than to do that.(Example..trying to punch Molten Man barehanded).
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Post by Admin on Nov 28, 2010 19:49:21 GMT -5
I honestly never thought I'd see the day where VANCE would be defending a member of the Kravinoff family! lol
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