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Post by Admin on Dec 30, 2010 21:14:21 GMT -5
Just curious, why do you guys think the environment helps Gambit? I believe it helps them equally, TBH. It's got enough cover for anyone to use, regardless of their agility, but is also confined enough so neither has the option to take the high ground or a stealth route. imo he could use them for cover and could charge parts of the environment to try to hit shocker or distract him I think charging anything in the environment would be difficult. The combat is fairly close, so it's unlikely Gambit would have time to charge any of the machines near the front (chairs and such). And a pillar would take too much time/energy from him, IMHO. |
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Post by spidey_17 on Dec 30, 2010 21:17:00 GMT -5
@k4tz: I see. Well, i could still see Gambit taking the majority even with morals on. Yes, he might not try to kill him but he is able to make the explosion non lethal but good enough to cause some damage. And Shocker has no way to counter any of his cards so eventually he should lose IMO.
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Post by spidey_17 on Dec 30, 2010 21:17:51 GMT -5
@nexus: That suit that spidey made already put him above Batman's level of stealth..har har har... ( I hope silver won't see that )....  |
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Post by Admin on Dec 30, 2010 21:18:33 GMT -5
@k4tz: I see. Well, i could still see Gambit taking the majority even with morals on. Yes, he might not try to kill him but he is able to make the explosion non lethal but good enough to cause some damage. And Shocker has no way to counter any of his cards so eventually he should lose IMO. =] Actually, there's the potential for Shocker's blasts to take out the cards before they reach him. It wouldn't happen frequently, but due to how much fighting will take place (limited environment), I could see it happening. |
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Post by spidey_17 on Dec 30, 2010 21:22:30 GMT -5
@k4tz: I see. Well, i could still see Gambit taking the majority even with morals on. Yes, he might not try to kill him but he is able to make the explosion non lethal but good enough to cause some damage. And Shocker has no way to counter any of his cards so eventually he should lose IMO. =] Actually, there's the potential for Shocker's blasts to take out the cards before they reach him. It wouldn't happen frequently, but due to how much fighting will take place (limited environment), I could see it happening. That's a good point but IMO, that will only make the battle last longer but i highly doubt it could give him the win. =] |
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Post by Pirateking69 on Dec 30, 2010 21:27:46 GMT -5
imo he could use them for cover and could charge parts of the environment to try to hit shocker or distract him I think charging anything in the environment would be difficult. The combat is fairly close, so it's unlikely Gambit would have time to charge any of the machines near the front (chairs and such). And a pillar would take too much time/energy from him, IMHO. hmm yea it would i didnt think of the time it would take him to charge other stuff..do you know how wide shocker can make his blast? |
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Post by Silver on Dec 30, 2010 21:30:22 GMT -5
@nexus: That suit that spidey made already put him above Batman's level of stealth..har har har... ( I hope silver won't see that ).... The Insider armor made Bats invisible on top of his already ridiculous stealth feats. So, shut up!  |
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Post by Silver on Dec 30, 2010 21:30:55 GMT -5
k4tz has a point about the environment though. It may not play to Gambit's favor as much as I originally thought.
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Post by spidey_17 on Dec 30, 2010 21:33:26 GMT -5
@nexus: That suit that spidey made already put him above Batman's level of stealth..har har har... ( I hope silver won't see that ).... The Insider armor made Bats invisible on top of his already ridiculous stealth feats. So, shut up! No fair, we are talking about street levelers....Insider put him above that... And any of his ridiculous stealth feats can not top the guy who can not be seen or heard at all....har har har har |
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Post by Silver on Dec 30, 2010 21:35:47 GMT -5
The Insider armor made Bats invisible on top of his already ridiculous stealth feats. So, shut up! No fair, we are talking about street levelers....Insider put him above that... And any of his ridiculous stealth feats can not top the guy who can not be seen or heard at all....har har har har Bats built a device that dampened his heart beat enough that he could sneak up on SuperMan. Eat that, fanboy.  |
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Post by Admin on Dec 30, 2010 21:38:22 GMT -5
I think charging anything in the environment would be difficult. The combat is fairly close, so it's unlikely Gambit would have time to charge any of the machines near the front (chairs and such). And a pillar would take too much time/energy from him, IMHO. hmm yea it would i didnt think of the time it would take him to charge other stuff..do you know how wide shocker can make his blast? They tend to be the roughly the same size, but he can control how powerful the blast is. |
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Post by spidey_17 on Dec 30, 2010 21:38:47 GMT -5
No fair, we are talking about street levelers....Insider put him above that... And any of his ridiculous stealth feats can not top the guy who can not be seen or heard at all....har har har har Bats built a device that dampened his heart beat enough that he could sneak up on SuperMan. Eat that, fanboy. Oooooh shut uuuup....  |
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Post by Pirateking69 on Dec 30, 2010 21:43:00 GMT -5
hmm yea it would i didnt think of the time it would take him to charge other stuff..do you know how wide shocker can make his blast? They tend to be the roughly the same size, but he can control how powerful the blast is. hmm i was thinking if Shocker kept doing the same size and missing then he could surprise gambit by spreading his blast...so it would take a couple cards to put shocker down but one good shot from shocker to put gambit down.. |
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Post by Silver on Dec 30, 2010 21:43:14 GMT -5
Bats built a device that dampened his heart beat enough that he could sneak up on SuperMan. Eat that, fanboy. Oooooh shut uuuup.... LOL. Bats wins the stealth-prep battle against Spidey. ;D (Spidey is still awesome with prep though, considering how few resources he has. So try not to feel bad.  ) I still may say Shocker. If he plays this smart, he may simply destroy the entire area in Gambit's general direction, hopefully before Gambit can evade. Now, that would by no means be easy, but I think he could pull off something similar. |
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Post by spidey_17 on Dec 30, 2010 21:44:26 GMT -5
@silver: I expect current spidey to have some nice prep feats.
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Post by Admin on Dec 30, 2010 21:46:03 GMT -5
Silver, I think that would be tough, due to Gambit's agility and the close proximity of the cover from pillar to pillar. But I could see that happening... I could also see Shocker tagging Gambit as he moved from cover to cover, but I could also see Gambit throwing one hell of an offensive volley during his moves between cover.
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Post by Silver on Dec 30, 2010 21:57:02 GMT -5
@k4tz: I agree. It would be difficult and may not be a very effective tactic. But it is a possibility, regardless.
Shocker could just fire in two directions though, and while Gambit can dodge multiple bullets simultaneously without much real effort, Shocker should be able to shoot down at least some of Gambit's cards and fire back at him. Not sure how long Gambit can dance around the area while concurrently avoiding Shocker's blasts and counterattacking him.
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Post by Pirateking69 on Dec 30, 2010 22:02:14 GMT -5
hmm i leaning toward Shocker...i think if Gambit had armor or something to take a couple hits he could pull the win
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Post by Admin on Dec 31, 2010 10:30:49 GMT -5
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Post by Admin on Dec 31, 2010 10:34:01 GMT -5
It's important to note that Shocker was in a messed up mental state. This was when he was basically afraid of death and just broke out of jail. In another panel he says his reflexes aren't even what they used to be.
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