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Post by Erik-El on Mar 13, 2011 18:51:22 GMT -5
X-Factor is an ongoing that is actually extremely high quality reading. I highly recommend it to any user that wants mutant stories without the heavy that is X-Men. The lineup: Jamie Arthur Madrox - Multiple Man Guido Carosella - Strong Guy Layla Rose Miller - Butterfly Theresa Maeve Rourke Cassidy - Siryn/Banshee Julio Esteban Richter - Rictor Rahne Sinclair - Wolfsbane Monet Yvette Clarisse Maria Therese St. Croix - M Armando Muñoz - Darwin Longshot Gaveedra Seven - Shatterstar Pip Gofern - Pip the Troll And Valerie Cooper makes an appearance from time to time.
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Post by Morpheus on Mar 13, 2011 18:55:27 GMT -5
OK, you wanted to talk about X-Factor, mon ami. Let's talk.
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Post by Erik-El on Mar 13, 2011 19:04:56 GMT -5
Layla Miller. I have several questions about her but I think most of the others will be find of followup questions.
SPOILER for those who have not read the series!
Okay so her powers are not to know parts of the future, they are to bring dead things back to life sans the soul. But once she finished her time up in the future and plugged her memories into her younger version's head and went off to Doom, she still was knowing the future. So I guess the first question is: How is she knowing the future now?
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Post by Morpheus on Mar 13, 2011 19:08:40 GMT -5
The device was supposed to transfer 80 years of knowledge to her 16 year old version, unless I misremember. Said knowledge transfer does not affect her current self.
As a sidenote, based on the depictions, I always figured Layla was around 12, not 16. That was rather strange.
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Post by Erik-El on Mar 13, 2011 19:11:32 GMT -5
I always thought she was about 12 or 13 myself but she only spent 5 years in the future meaning she is 17 or 18 years old. She seems 25 in her current depiction. Though that could be the stress of all her experience and knowledge on her shoulders.
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Post by Erik-El on Mar 13, 2011 19:13:49 GMT -5
Layla Spoiler Also, why does her mutant gene fluctuate on and off? Why are her powers different? What I mean is, why could she at one point, breathe fire, at another, telepathically awaken suppressed memories, and then bring things back to life?
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Post by Morpheus on Mar 13, 2011 19:19:42 GMT -5
I always thought she was about 12 or 13 myself but she only spent 5 years in the future meaning she is 17 or 18 years old. She seems 25 in her current depiction. Though that could be the stress of all her experience and knowledge on her shoulders. I think a recap page by PAD specifically states she is now 21, which really surprised me since she never looked like she was 16 before.Shoot me now, but I don't remember her breathing fire, or reawakening supressed memories (unless you're referring to HoM).
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Post by Erik-El on Mar 13, 2011 19:23:00 GMT -5
@morph:
Lol I never read the recaps because I read one issue after another.
Yeah she cleaned up people's heads in HoM but earlier in X-Factor, when the Orphanage Admin came by to pick her up, she and Layla said she used to have some physical mutation and breathe fire. Jamie also recently touched on that in his narrative as well.
But then there is also her mutation turning off and on thing. What do you think that is about?
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Post by Morpheus on Mar 13, 2011 19:32:48 GMT -5
Seriously, you're missing out. XF's recap pages have got to be the best I've ever read.
PAD could have been simply trying to keep all doors open at the time. Her ability to resurrect beings was shown way back when she does so for a butterfly, but he probably hadn't entirely decided on what her powerset would be, and wanted to provide a background to solidify her mutant status, anyhow.
Yes, that was pretty strange. It could indeed be a unique property of her abilities.
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Post by Erik-El on Mar 13, 2011 19:40:31 GMT -5
PAD could have been simply trying to keep all doors open at the time. Her ability to resurrect beings was shown way back when she does so for a butterfly, but he probably hadn't entirely decided on what her powerset would be, and wanted to provide a background to solidify her mutant status, anyhow. That would explain issue 6 (I found it by the way lol) but not the more recent narrative where Jamie says something along the lines of, "That is weird and that is saying something since Layla used to breathe fire" or something along those lines to imply that whatever issue it was was strange. Here is the clip from issue 6 though. Attachments:
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Post by Erik-El on Mar 13, 2011 19:41:49 GMT -5
Yeah I got a kick out of the recaps that you said had his personal stuff in it. I just did not see the need for them since I was literally going from one issue to the next for 3 days.
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Post by Morpheus on Mar 13, 2011 19:50:16 GMT -5
Since Jamie never actually saw her when she had her powers, he, too, relies on knowledge and info Layla is likely to have given him.
Anyhow, I agree that trying to figure out exactly what her powers are, is a mess. But the core point is that she doesn't actually have precognitive powers at all.
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Post by Morpheus on Mar 13, 2011 19:50:51 GMT -5
Yeah I got a kick out of the recaps that you said had his personal stuff in it. I just did not see the need for them since I was literally going from one issue to the next for 3 days. As did I, but I was still reading them.
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Post by Erik-El on Mar 13, 2011 19:59:30 GMT -5
Since Jamie never actually saw her when she had her powers, he, too, relies on knowledge and info Layla is likely to have given him.
Anyhow, I agree that trying to figure out exactly what her powers are, is a mess. But the core point is that she doesn't actually have precognitive powers at all. I think it is safe to say her powers are to raise the dead. That is confirmed. I just want to know why she, as a character, has had so many different versions. Jamie is going off of what Layla said to him but the orphanage lady confirmed it, so I take it to be true unless her mind was altered. Actually, unless I am remembering it wrong, she had a powerless version before M-Day right? With parents? Then during M-Day, she had the memory powers and after M-Day, her parents are retconned out of existence and she had horns and could breathe fire (pre-M-Day but after the reality warp), then she had the power to resurrect. Whew! Try bending your mind around that one.
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Post by Morpheus on Mar 13, 2011 20:05:00 GMT -5
Indeed, but I'm too beat to give this the attention it requires due to exhaustion. I'll get back to the thread tomorrow.
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Post by Erik-El on Mar 13, 2011 20:08:29 GMT -5
Indeed, but I'm too beat to give this the attention it requires due to exhaustion. I'll get back to the thread tomorrow. Okay. Until tomorrow then.
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Post by Power NeXus on Mar 13, 2011 21:03:53 GMT -5
I really want to read this.
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Post by Erik-El on Mar 13, 2011 21:18:48 GMT -5
I really want to read this. Such a good series. Monet is the best.
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Post by Morpheus on Mar 13, 2011 21:26:59 GMT -5
I like pretty much everyone more than Monet, except for Wolfsbane.
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Post by Erik-El on Mar 13, 2011 21:39:37 GMT -5
I meant best as in the hottest . She is not what you would call a likable character.
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