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Post by Phantom Stargrave on May 18, 2011 17:31:39 GMT -5
That seems a bit... harsh. Crimes are considered crimes for a reason. They are things that we don't want citizens to do. If the punishment isn't severe enough to discourage the act it isn't severe enough period. Prison is not a suitable punishment. Some people in prison have it better than low income families in America. If you knew the punishment was going to be a chemical burned vagina how likely would you be to prostitute yourself out? I don't believe there is a such thing too severe of a punishment. If the people know what the punishment is and they choose to do the act anyways they deserve whatever the punishment is with no mercy. Dude, you're maiming a woman for life, and probably denying her the chance of ever having children, because of prostitution? I mean, I'm all for banning prostitution, I'm not a fan of it, but is it really that big a problem to warrant putting the offender through likely the worst possible pain and torture she could ever imagine for it? Besides, the main problem here is that I'm pretty sure most women don't choose to do that. They don't become prostitutes by choice, they're forced into it by the circumstances, primarily poverty. Administering punishments that would make Ivan the fucking Terrible go "Wha...?" is not going to solve the problem.
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on May 18, 2011 17:36:02 GMT -5
Heh, can't remember the last time I was this socially conscious. You bring out the best in me guys. ;D
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Post by Erik-El on May 18, 2011 19:27:39 GMT -5
That seems a bit... harsh. Crimes are considered crimes for a reason. They are things that we don't want citizens to do. If the punishment isn't severe enough to discourage the act it isn't severe enough period. Prison is not a suitable punishment. Some people in prison have it better than low income families in America. If you knew the punishment was going to be a chemical burned vagina how likely would you be to prostitute yourself out? I don't believe there is a such thing too severe of a punishment. If the people know what the punishment is and they choose to do the act anyways they deserve whatever the punishment is with no mercy. Some people do what they do because they have something called a pimp. They sometimes are either too afraid to leave or just plain do not know how. Sometimes prostitutes ARE the victims.
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Post by Lunacyde Prime on May 18, 2011 22:27:24 GMT -5
#1. If they don't want maimed then they shouldn't commit the crime. They know the consequences it is totally 100% their decision whether to commit that crime or not. There are other legitimate ways of making money, prostitution is never anyone's ONLY choice, sometimes it's just the easier choice.
#2. Pimps will be given similar treatment, perhaps even worse. Criminals thrive on the indulgence of society's understanding.
#3. This is only if they are convicted guilty by a jury of their peers. Also I believe it will be a second or third strike punishment. The first time they will be assessed and given help if needed. if they return to that life it's their own damn fault.
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Post by Erik-El on May 18, 2011 23:06:57 GMT -5
1) That is not true. Your response tells me you just plain do not get it when it comes to how prostitution works. How many prostitutes would you guess actually want to be hookers? If you guessed "Only millionaire pornstars." you are pretty close to the mark. Sometimes choice is not an option.
2) Fine but that does not mean that you should be punishing their slaves too.
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Post by Lunacyde Prime on May 24, 2011 11:34:42 GMT -5
No. I understand. They are often young women. Sometimes old women with no other prospects in life.They are either on the streets with no money or need to help provide for a very poor family. Because of a lack of education, marketable job skills, or other such things they fall into a life of prostitutuion finding that it is a way that they can provide money for themselves and loved ones. Along the way they often become addicted to drugs and continue their actions to provide for that habit or because they just can't get ti anywhere else. In the end though there was still a choice. If you have a gun to your head and he will only let you live if you commit the crime there is still a choice. It may be a shitty one but there is still a choice. However thanks to my organizations war on drugs and pimps and programs to aid the poor these societal pressures will be greatly alleviated.
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Post by Erik-El on May 24, 2011 11:51:36 GMT -5
I am sorry but your reasoning is ridiculous. To say that someone is still given a choice to do something when your options are break the law or die is callous even by my standards. Not to mention the punishment.
What about human trafficking? Would you say these people have a choice? Obviously not. When you are forced to be drugged out of your goddamn mind, you will is shattered. After that, there is no option for you because your entire self image is gone. You are not a person. You are a thing.
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Post by Lunacyde Prime on May 25, 2011 17:28:37 GMT -5
My reasoning is flawless. It's logical. You are the one letting feelings and emotion cloud your judgement. It may not be "fair" but still by definition there is a choice present. I said it would not be a first offense punishment. How many people do you know get caught in human trafficking 3 times? I can see once, but you are just doing something wrong if you've already been caught in it twice and continue having a problem. Moreover as I said we have programs to help the poor and those first time offenders. I don't care if you think I'm too harsh, it's my country I'll run it the way I want, hence the thread . I don't believe imprisonment works. I don't believe in going easy on criminals. Obviously the punishment will vary by crime but you have show people that they will have to pay dire consequences to deter them from crime.
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Post by Erik-El on May 26, 2011 10:34:54 GMT -5
How is it logical to mutilate people? Melted vag seems pretty sadistic so logic has nothing to do with it.
Imprisonment works better than death penalties for example. So yes they do work. Studies have shown states with less criminal activity are the states without death penalty. What does that tell you? It tells you that generally criminals would rather die than go to prison. So life imprisonment for violent crimes is a sentence worse than death for most.
I do not think it is harsh, I think it is perverse. I do not believe in going easy on criminals as well but I am not going to cross the line into torture and mutilation.
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Post by Erik-El on May 26, 2011 10:54:38 GMT -5
I have figured out how I come into global power. I march into your kingdom and throw you out of your own party. Which makes my equally hard line, yet softer policies much easier to swallow to the public.
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on May 26, 2011 12:20:02 GMT -5
If you guys ever come to power, I am so never stepping foot inside US.
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Post by Erik-El on May 26, 2011 19:21:27 GMT -5
If you guys ever come to power, I am so never stepping foot inside US. You are screwed baby. Mine is not a US thing. I went global.
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Post by Lunacyde Prime on May 26, 2011 20:11:14 GMT -5
@ Phantom. Mine is actually Europe. Unless you or a loved one are prostitutes or criminals I wouldn't worry about it.
@ Erik. Good luck. Lunastanian Pride is engraved into children from a young age. If you teach your people from a young age to have pride in themselves, their country and their neighbors and you have policies and organizations that foster and encourage this pride you have no problem. If you teach them as children that crime is wrong and is dealt with harshly and you don't let family after family fall into apathy then you would be surprised what people will put up with. You market this pride and love and morality with propaganda and children s programs and build their sell esteem and they will follow you anywhere.
I find it funny that the whole melted Vag thing was a joke initially lol...it wasn't my official stand on the topic. If you look back it was an offhand joking comment, I just ran with it because it was controversial and created discussion lol
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Post by Lunacyde Prime on May 29, 2011 20:52:07 GMT -5
Bump
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Post by Lunacyde Prime on May 30, 2011 12:19:40 GMT -5
Any new issues?
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on May 30, 2011 12:28:26 GMT -5
@ Phantom. Mine is actually Europe. You are screwed baby. Mine is not a US thing. I went global. You leave my Goddamn continent alone! ;D
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Post by Lunacyde Prime on May 30, 2011 12:50:03 GMT -5
Sorry buddy, you're screwed
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