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Post by Khaos King on Jun 3, 2011 13:30:43 GMT -5
What makes a church better or more gospel than another?
I've noticed a trend of followers who refuse to acknowledge fellow Christians, Baptist, Catholics and claiming that they are not following the word of YWHW nor are they true Christians, Baptist or Catholic because they do things that they feel are appalling or out dated even when using the bible to support their views.
I find the argument on both sides appalling due to both relying on a religion which condoned extreme violence in its beginning.
To me it is like someone arguing that the Nazi symbol is not inherently offensive when preaching Eugenics and ethnic superiority.
I dont care if it is a hate filled 90 yr old Nazi or a modern attractive woman who is polite and courteous saying that the old Nazi Regime is not what the new one preaches although they do believe in the fundamental idea of ethnic superiority and the curbing of procreation of other ethnic groups.
What i am saying one group goes out of their way to preach their hate on side walks, funerals while another one stays home and thinks how many are sinners and heathens non believers and God will judge them regardless if the person who believes in the bible refuses to speak and judge others.
I get tired of hearing "those Christians give us a bad name or they are not christian" but when you ask them what are your religious views on homosexuals, murderers, deviants, slavery in the bible, war, baby bashing...... they become tight lip almost as if refusing to acknowledge what it is their book preaches.
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Post by Erik-El on Jun 3, 2011 13:48:36 GMT -5
Interesting topic. I wonder if this is inspired by my comment about that family you posted in the What's on your Mind thread.
If it is, I feel I must explain it. Baptist by definition only follow scripture. The very definition of Baptist is this. If it is not in the Bible, it is not preached. Furthermore, they focus on the New Testament because the teachings of Jesus circumvent the Old Testament teachings. No more hate-speak. No more stoning "sinners". Jesus taught love and forgiveness.
So when I say that the family you posted is not really Baptists, I mean that quite literally.
Also, I am Atheist.
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Post by Khaos King on Jun 3, 2011 13:52:07 GMT -5
Interesting topic. I wonder if this is inspired by my comment about that family you posted in the What's on your Mind thread. If it is, I feel I must explain it. Baptist by definition only follow scripture. The very definition of Baptist is this. If it is not in the Bible, it is not preached. Furthermore, they focus on the New Testament because the teachings of Jesus circumvent the Old Testament teachings. No more hate-speak. No more stoning "sinners". Jesus taught love and forgiveness. So when I say that the family you posted is not really Baptists, I mean that quite literally. Also, I am Atheist. IIRC Yeshua also said he was not there to destroy the old laws but to add to them. : / of course he did contradict himself. www.letusreason.org/7thAd26.htm |
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Post by Erik-El on Jun 3, 2011 13:55:45 GMT -5
Not sure what your point is. I never said the old laws were destroyed according to Jesus. That was me taking license with it. My point remains. Jesus did teach love and forgiveness. He was basically the first famous hippie.
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Post by Khaos King on Jun 3, 2011 14:00:06 GMT -5
Not sure what your point is. I never said the old laws were destroyed according to Jesus. That was me taking license with it. My point remains. Jesus did teach love and forgiveness. He was basically the first famous hippie. he also showed anger and rage, and believed in divine right of property as well as condemnation of others. something that is ran with by certain sects. again each church has their own interpretation we cant change this but it they are also reading the same book which is inherently the cause of their behavior. some churches choice to follow it far stricter than others while others pick and choice what is convenient for today's time. Either way the Book itself is the cause. it is why i find a flaw in one group copping out calling another not a religion/church or christian/catholic/baptist |
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Post by Erik-El on Jun 3, 2011 14:02:52 GMT -5
I am not sure what the point is of bringing up the time Jesus threw a fit. Have you ever been so pissed, you lost hold of your moral standing? I can guarantee you have. Does that mean you no longer believe what you previously stood by? Hell no. It means you had a moment where you lost it.
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Post by Khaos King on Jun 3, 2011 14:07:21 GMT -5
I have lost my temper but i am not demigod or god nor ask anyone to follow me or hold myself as the savior of humanity, vast difference there.
It is made worse when people pick up your book and life story to get inspiration and follow in your footsteps with flaws and all.
So are you a christian do you follow every rule that is stated and ask yourself what would Yeshua do and try to do as he?
what are your views on homosexuals and why?
Do you believe in discarding a dead family member on the side of the street as it is only a mortal shell and empty without its soul?
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Post by Erik-El on Jun 3, 2011 14:13:47 GMT -5
I again fail to see what you are talking about. Just because Jesus is a god in the Bible, does not mean he is prone or not prone to outbursts. Take a look at his dear old da. The man would kill or torture you as likely as bless you. Yet he is still seen as perfect. Jesus having one outburst that I can even remember does not invalidate his message.
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Post by Khaos King on Jun 3, 2011 14:17:22 GMT -5
I again fail to see what you are talking about. Just because Jesus is a god in the Bible, does not mean he is prone or not prone to outbursts. Take a look at his dear old da. The man would kill or torture you as likely as bless you. Yet he is still seen as perfect. Jesus having one outburst that I can even remember does not invalidate his message. again you are missing the point that people are using the bible to support their views. hence it is retarded to say some one is more or less christian b/c they follow things you do not. It's like someone reading WW2 history as gospel and choosing to follow a eugenics view and ethnic superiority but for today's time with less violence. : / |
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Post by Erik-El on Jun 3, 2011 14:19:18 GMT -5
I am not saying who is Christian and who is not. I am telling you that the family in question is not Baptist. If you do not believe me, simply look up what the definition of what Baptists are. Do not take my word for it since you clearly have not anyway.
Your comparisons make no sense to me whatsoever.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Jun 3, 2011 15:04:47 GMT -5
Your comparisons make no sense to me whatsoever. co-signed. On the topic of sects and what is a christian or not. What is proper theology or not. As an Atheist I don't believe in any religion or anything supernatural. However I support and acknowledge the rights of others to have religious views and faith in such. However when it comes to more correct in one religious denomination or not. As a historian one thing I say is what evidence shows and what is evidently reinterpretation from a philosophical perspective (without passing judgement on whether that new interpretation is correct or not) With this in mind yes, some interpretations, as far as facts based on archeological, anthropological, linguistical, etc. In other words science are much more supported by research and have in this context the closest we could say "more basis" to be adopted. It should not come as a surprise that fanatical, extremist and crazier versions are those that have little to no evidence to support them, and most have evidence directly countering it. |
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Post by Lord Saturn on Sept 21, 2012 16:14:11 GMT -5
I miss the whole "Holy Ghost Dance" that happens in the Southern Baptist Churches.
LOL
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Post by jakefury on Sept 21, 2012 16:24:54 GMT -5
I recently joined the Church of Christ and I'm working towards becoming a Baptized Christian.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Sept 21, 2012 17:33:35 GMT -5
o,k
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Post by Erik-El on Sept 21, 2012 18:01:22 GMT -5
I recently joined the Church of Christ and I'm working towards becoming a Baptized Christian. Don't take this as an attack but... why? |
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Post by jakefury on Sept 21, 2012 23:54:34 GMT -5
I recently joined the Church of Christ and I'm working towards becoming a Baptized Christian. Don't take this as an attack but... why? No offense taken man. It's just a personal decision that's taken me several years to come to terms with. I grew up in the church and after not being involved in it for a long time I came back. I was apprehensive at first, not due to my beliefs but the way I had seen people treated (myself included) at different congregations over the years. But then my wife and I visited several different congregations until we found one that we felt comfortable with and we also felt comfortable with the congregation's practices and environment. |
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Post by Power NeXus on Sept 22, 2012 14:18:18 GMT -5
OH GOOD FREAKIN GRAVY.
Seriously?
The the Ledger seriously just go here?
Let's be honest. When was the last time you saw a religion-based discussion on the internet that didn't eventually turn into an uncontrollable flame war?
I have grown up in the Christian church since I was a kid. I am a very strong Christian and am currently attending a Bible college. There is SO much I could say here, but I'm just not going to. There is a time and a place for debate/discussion about religion. In my experience, internet forums are pretty much never that place.
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Post by jakefury on Sept 22, 2012 14:20:44 GMT -5
I agree Nexus, hence the reason I only discussed myself.
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Post by Supreme Marvel on Sept 22, 2012 14:21:38 GMT -5
@pn, the guy last posted last year in July. Even if you do post, I don't see him replying.
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Post by Erik-El on Sept 22, 2012 15:16:10 GMT -5
OH GOOD FREAKIN GRAVY.Seriously? The the Ledger seriously just go here? Let's be honest. When was the last time you saw a religion-based discussion on the internet that didn't eventually turn into an uncontrollable flame war? I have grown up in the Christian church since I was a kid. I am a very strong Christian and am currently attending a Bible college. There is SO much I could say here, but I'm just not going to. There is a time and a place for debate/discussion about religion. In my experience, internet forums are pretty much never that place. We at the Ledger do not fear heated discussions! So long as there are no direct attacks anyway... So that means rage on about your god, just don't call anyone a fag for not believing in your god and things will run beautifully. By that same token, we wont anyone call you a name for believing in one. We are all about the love here yo. |
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