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Post by Supreme Marvel on Jul 10, 2011 20:31:11 GMT -5
Is there anyone powerful enough to bring the dead back to life?
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Post by JediXMan on Jul 10, 2011 20:39:16 GMT -5
Is there anyone powerful enough to bring the dead back to life? Cade Skywalker came close.
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Post by Silver on Jul 10, 2011 20:39:26 GMT -5
The Prophets of the Dark Side have supposedly performed rituals that resurrect the dead. JediXMan: I actually never remember us discussing Alien Exodus. I have no real opinion on it, because I just do not care very much. From what I have read about it, it would have contradicted currently established continuity (though not necessarily continuity as had been established by that point), but really, exploring ancient alien species to give some background and history on them does not appeal to me very much.
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Post by JediXMan on Jul 10, 2011 20:51:46 GMT -5
The Prophets of the Dark Side have supposedly performed rituals that resurrect the dead. JediXMan: I actually never remember us discussing Alien Exodus. I have no real opinion on it, because I just do not care very much. From what I have read about it, it would have contradicted currently established continuity (though not necessarily continuity as had been established by that point), but really, exploring ancient alien species to give some background and history on them does not appeal to me very much. I admit that it has some issues. But I do like the concept. But in the original concept, the alien slavers would have becoming slug-like due to a virus released by the slaves, becoming Hutts. In my idea, the slavers are the Rakata and the virus is the one that almost destroyed them and damaged their connection to the Force. And on a releated note: I still believe / hope / want the Celestials to be the Rakata. The Star Forge and Centerpoint are a bit similar.
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Post by Supreme Marvel on Jul 10, 2011 21:05:48 GMT -5
Can a Jedi sense when a loved one has died? Even a low ranked one.
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Post by Supreme Marvel on Jul 10, 2011 21:35:54 GMT -5
Has anyone used the force very well in everyday life but was never trained by anyone?
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Post by Silver on Jul 10, 2011 21:43:04 GMT -5
The Prophets of the Dark Side have supposedly performed rituals that resurrect the dead. JediXMan: I actually never remember us discussing Alien Exodus. I have no real opinion on it, because I just do not care very much. From what I have read about it, it would have contradicted currently established continuity (though not necessarily continuity as had been established by that point), but really, exploring ancient alien species to give some background and history on them does not appeal to me very much. I admit that it has some issues. But I do like the concept. But in the original concept, the alien slavers would have becoming slug-like due to a virus released by the slaves, becoming Hutts. In my idea, the slavers are the Rakata and the virus is the one that almost destroyed them and damaged their connection to the Force. And on a releated note: I still believe / hope / want the Celestials to be the Rakata. The Star Forge and Centerpoint are a bit similar. Fair enough. And the theory about the Rakata/Celestials is still a possibility, from where I stand. New discussion. Time for another verbose rant where I explain my point of view and allow you to make a commentary on it. Reading the Callista trilogy (I am only on the second book, Darksaber, despite having started the trilogy four or five days ago because I have been lazy with my reading, LOL), there is a Jedi in this series who was able to bond their ghost to a structure. Now, this was not Essence Transfer, because this was clearly a Jedi without sufficient knowledge to use a power that complicated even if they wanted to. This Jedi is able to connect their spirit to hosts or places if allowed and has thus remained on this structure for decades. From a certain angle, that reminded me of how Ulic Qel-Droma remained stationary in his tomb when Anakin entered to learn a resistance to Force Drain so that he could destroy the Dark Reaper (although I suppose it is debatable as to whether that was truly Ulic's ghost or just a hologram, but I always interpreted it as his spirit). Does this fit into continuity well anymore? Obviously, most Jedi who become one with the Force while still retaining their identities have chosen to appear in the physical realm to aid other Jedi if the time comes. Yoda and Obi-Wan have visited Luke after their deaths, and Anakin spoke to Leia as a ghost asking for her to forgive him. But generally, they simply speak a word of advice, like Arca Jeth did with Ulic. But this process of a Jedi spirit situating themselves with a particular place is unusual and even more for them to enter a body and live again. Now, it is not unheard of for Jedi to interact and counteract the physical in ways beside simple communication. Obi-Wan helped Luke fight Vader in Splinter of the Mind's Eye, and Vodo-Siosk Baas helped Luke's students banish Exar Kun's spirit. So, despite the fact that Jedi Force Ghosts are nowhere nearly as often seen performing tasks in a manner such as helping fight a battle or attack a tangible being as Sith Essences have, it has been done. However, my assumption is that Jedi spirits do not interact with the physical as much as Sith spirits do because they are not allowed/required to. Sith attach their spirits to another body or object or place to escape final death. Jedi have nothing to fear from death since, whether they become Force Ghosts or not, they still enter the Force. And as a result, with the insight and resources available to them while one with the Force, they know when they should and should not intervene on physical actions. Obi-Wan even told Luke that he could not interfere with his duel against Vader on Bespin before he left Dagobah. In spite of having aided him against Vader before, he could not do so again. Now, having explained all of that, what is your position on this? Is it simply that Jedi spirits can bond to a place or body as Sith spirits can and are simply not always "permitted" to by the Force (permitted is not the best word in this, but I have no idea how else to put it)? Or do you just think that events in the Callista books fail to compromise with continuity currently?
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Post by Supreme Marvel on Jul 10, 2011 22:06:04 GMT -5
Can the average Miralukan use the force?
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Post by Silver on Jul 10, 2011 22:14:02 GMT -5
Can a Jedi sense when a loved one has died? Even a low ranked one. Yes. Loved ones become bonded to one another through the Force. For instance, Luke may not notice when someone is murdered even on the same planet. But if Leia died, he would feel the backlash from that. Has anyone used the force very well in everyday life but was never trained by anyone? Yes but not always. Myriads of Force sensitives have manifested Force powers without having received any training. Anakin did this when he would see glimpses of the future in pod races to compensate for his reflexes only being that of a small kid. This is usually one of the methods by which Jedi discover another potential candidate for Jedi training. Gantoris, prior to being trained by Luke, used his latent Force sensitivity to detect when earthquakes would occur on his home planet, Eol Sha, to protect his people. Can the average Miralukan use the force? All Miraluka are Force sensitive, and all of them use the Force to see, despite their physical blindness.
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Post by Supreme Marvel on Jul 10, 2011 22:42:46 GMT -5
Can the average Miralukan use the force? All Miraluka are Force sensitive, and all of them use the Force to see, despite their physical blindness. I know that part. I was wondering if the average person can user force speed, jump, concealment, healing etc without being taught it?
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Post by Silver on Jul 10, 2011 22:44:36 GMT -5
All Miraluka are Force sensitive, and all of them use the Force to see, despite their physical blindness. I know that part. I was wondering if the average person can user force speed, jump, concealment, healing etc without being taught it?Conceivably, but it depends on how potent they are in the Force.
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Post by Silver on Jul 11, 2011 0:39:57 GMT -5
By the way, Jedi, I know you are a Mandalorian/clone trooper/stormtrooper fan. So have you read Death Troopers? And if so, can you please tell me WTF that book is about? Seriously, it looks like a freaking splatter film.
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Post by Supreme Marvel on Jul 11, 2011 8:14:10 GMT -5
Got a look for my characters. Probably nowhere near what they should look like, with the bike like jacket. But that's what I want him to look like.
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Post by Geraldthesloth on Jul 11, 2011 19:39:59 GMT -5
Just a little timeline for those whoa re trying to get into Star Wars.
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Post by Supreme Marvel on Jul 11, 2011 19:46:36 GMT -5
I've got that in my research.
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Post by Silver on Jul 11, 2011 20:56:49 GMT -5
@supreme Marvel: Your character's choice of design reminds me of Jerec.
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Post by Supreme Marvel on Jul 11, 2011 20:59:45 GMT -5
That a good thing?
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Post by Silver on Jul 11, 2011 21:11:11 GMT -5
Definitely.
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Post by Supreme Marvel on Jul 11, 2011 21:18:06 GMT -5
I was going to put these on.
But I prefer the ones I put on.
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Post by Silver on Jul 12, 2011 20:24:59 GMT -5
New discussion. Time for another verbose rant where I explain my point of view and allow you to make a commentary on it. Reading the Callista trilogy (I am only on the second book, Darksaber, despite having started the trilogy four or five days ago because I have been lazy with my reading, LOL), there is a Jedi in this series who was able to bond their ghost to a structure. Now, this was not Essence Transfer, because this was clearly a Jedi without sufficient knowledge to use a power that complicated even if they wanted to. This Jedi is able to connect their spirit to hosts or places if allowed and has thus remained on this structure for decades. From a certain angle, that reminded me of how Ulic Qel-Droma remained stationary in his tomb when Anakin entered to learn a resistance to Force Drain so that he could destroy the Dark Reaper (although I suppose it is debatable as to whether that was truly Ulic's ghost or just a hologram, but I always interpreted it as his spirit). Does this fit into continuity well anymore? Obviously, most Jedi who become one with the Force while still retaining their identities have chosen to appear in the physical realm to aid other Jedi if the time comes. Yoda and Obi-Wan have visited Luke after their deaths, and Anakin spoke to Leia as a ghost asking for her to forgive him. But generally, they simply speak a word of advice, like Arca Jeth did with Ulic. But this process of a Jedi spirit situating themselves with a particular place is unusual and even more for them to enter a body and live again. Now, it is not unheard of for Jedi to interact and counteract the physical in ways beside simple communication. Obi-Wan helped Luke fight Vader in Splinter of the Mind's Eye, and Vodo-Siosk Baas helped Luke's students banish Exar Kun's spirit. So, despite the fact that Jedi Force Ghosts are nowhere nearly as often seen performing tasks in a manner such as helping fight a battle or attack a tangible being as Sith Essences have, it has been done. However, my assumption is that Jedi spirits do not interact with the physical as much as Sith spirits do because they are not allowed/required to. Sith attach their spirits to another body or object or place to escape final death. Jedi have nothing to fear from death since, whether they become Force Ghosts or not, they still enter the Force. And as a result, with the insight and resources available to them while one with the Force, they know when they should and should not intervene on physical actions. Obi-Wan even told Luke that he could not interfere with his duel against Vader on Bespin before he left Dagobah. In spite of having aided him against Vader before, he could not do so again. Now, having explained all of that, what is your position on this? Is it simply that Jedi spirits can bond to a place or body as Sith spirits can and are simply not always "permitted" to by the Force (permitted is not the best word in this, but I have no idea how else to put it)? Or do you just think that events in the Callista books fail to compromise with continuity currently? By the way, Jedi, I know you are a Mandalorian/clone trooper/stormtrooper fan. So have you read Death Troopers? And if so, can you please tell me WTF that book is about? Seriously, it looks like a freaking splatter film.
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