JediXMan
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Post by JediXMan on Jun 26, 2011 15:39:22 GMT -5
Self-explanatory.
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Pirateking69
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Post by Pirateking69 on Jun 26, 2011 15:42:16 GMT -5
Have you checked out the new star wars comic- Star Wars: Jedi - The Dark Side?
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JediXMan
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Post by JediXMan on Jun 26, 2011 15:43:27 GMT -5
Nope. Does not interest me in the least. In all honesty, the time around episode I is extremely boring to me.
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Post by Pirateking69 on Jun 26, 2011 15:46:09 GMT -5
I see not a fan of Qui-Gon Jinn?
Want to get into some Star Wars comics any opinions on the Darth Maul comics? Still got to go and pick up Darth Bane's trilogy really cool character.
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Jun 26, 2011 15:46:48 GMT -5
Ah, excellent, a thread where I can finally teach K4tz why Darth Maul sucks. ;D
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Post by Power NeXus on Jun 26, 2011 15:47:36 GMT -5
How was this not made months ago?
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JediXMan
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Post by JediXMan on Jun 26, 2011 15:56:46 GMT -5
Ah, excellent, a thread where I can finally teach K4tz why Darth Maul sucks. ;D Maul doesn't.... Alright, yeah, he sucks compared to the vast majority of Sith. But he's Ray Park so he's automatically awesome. ;D
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Jun 26, 2011 16:03:40 GMT -5
Huh, I just googled it. I had no idea Maul was also Snake Eyes. He still comes last in SW Mister Personality contest, though.
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Post by Power NeXus on Jun 26, 2011 16:04:09 GMT -5
Exalted for giving props to Ray Park!
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Post by JediXMan on Jun 26, 2011 16:06:35 GMT -5
Huh, I just googled it. I had no idea Maul was also Snake Eyes. He still comes last in SW Mister Personality contest, though. And Toad.
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Jun 26, 2011 16:07:31 GMT -5
Yeah, but then I didn't give a damn about toad. ;D
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Post by JediXMan on Jun 26, 2011 16:10:30 GMT -5
Yeah, but then I didn't give a damn about toad. ;D Hey, Park actually spoke in that.
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Post by Strafe Prower on Jun 26, 2011 16:11:29 GMT -5
Yeah, but then I didn't give a damn about toad. ;D *waits for PN's attack*
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Silver
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Post by Silver on Jun 26, 2011 16:13:37 GMT -5
JediXMan: Continuing our discussion, I have a few points to make. Reading I, Jedi, my theory about the inability for Force sensitives to detect Sith spirits through the Force is being affirmed. When Luke founded his Jedi Praxeum on Yavin IV, he was unable to notice Exar Kun's spirit in the Massassi Temple's despite Gantoris mentioning another Force sensitive teacher he had been instructed under. When Arca Jeth was captured by Ommin, he was unable to notice Freedon Nadd's spirit. The Miraluka and Jedi on Katarr were unable to notice Darth Nihilus as he approached them to feed on their life energies. When Sidious projected his spirit from Endor and when he used Spirit Transference on Byss into one of his clones as Luke tried to destroy the habitable clones to leave him without a body, Luke was unable to notice Palpatine's spirit. When Exar Kun and Ulic Qel-Droma dueled one another, they were unable to notice Marka Ragnos' spirit inside the Sith talismans they had. At the funeral for Marka Ragnos, Naga Sadow and Ludo Kressh were unable to notice Marka Ragnos' spirit also. The list goes on. It is my theory that Sith Essences are at least virtually invisible through the Force. It also coincides with Jedi Force Ghosts as well. During the Rebellion era in particular (and partway into the New Republic era), when Luke was feeling lost in a situation, he would call out to Obi-Wan, Yoda, and Anakin's spirits for guidance. Usually, they would not answer him, but when they did, it was unexpected to Luke. He had no knowledge of what became of them when he was not having an apparitional visitation from them. As well, Exar Kun's Essence could not detect Vodo-Siosk Baas' spirit when he confronted Kun and helped Luke and his Jedi students defeat him. Now, that is of course less definitive than Jedi or Sith simply not sensing Sith spirits, but it may speak of a similarity in that aspect. All of this is conjectural of course, because, as you and I have discussed several times, Force Ghost and Transfer Essence are easily two of the most complicated Force powers there are, despite the goal of them being relatively simple. But just based on what I have gathered from different showings, it makes sense to me that Jedi Ghosts and Sith Essences are unseen through the Force, unless they want themselves to be seen. Also, what were your thoughts on Freedon Nadd or Exar Kun being empowered by the location of where they acted while in spirit form? It seems to make sense to me, but I have another thought on that. For one thing, as we adressed, Nadd and Kun performed unusual feats and demonstrated arcane powers for Sith spirits. Most Sith Essences seem incapable of interacting with the physical plane. Now, Sidious was able to rend Bevel Lemelisk's spirit from his body, presumably while in his own Essence form, but this was all off-panel. The full details of it are unknown. However, Nadd collapsed a tomb on Exar Kun, revitalized him, and then suppressed his Force sensitivity, forcing him to draw on the dark side. Exar Kun's spirit was able to use Choke on Luke's students, show illusions/projections, invade Luke's dreams, etc. Now the issue is where these took place. As TotJ confirmed and as Corran Horn pointed out, the Massassi Temples were places where Exar's power was concentrated. Korriban, comparably, was a planet naturally and unstoppably resonating with dark side energies after thousands of years of Sith magical practices and ruling. Korriban, as you already know, is where Nadd performed these strange powers. My theory is this: If Exar or Nadd traveled as spirits or bonded their spirits to a different world, they would not have had these abilities. My assumption is that they did these things because of where they were. This could be further proved by how they were beaten. Case in point. Naga Sadow's Essence was banished to Chaos by Freedon Nadd (although, according to TOR, Sadow survived somehow, which is cool for someone like me who is a huge Sadow fan, but I remain skeptical about that). Exar Kun alone beat Freedon Nadd's Essence. Empatojayos Brand used Force Light to contain Palpatine's spirit in his body and then dragged his spirit down with him as he died. Compare those with Exar Kun's defeat. It required the efforts of Luke's 11 or 12 trainees, Luke himself (in spirit form since he was severed from his body by the combined power of Kyp Durron and Exar Kun), and Vodo-Siosk Baas' Ghost. Now, it could just be that Exar was more powerful as a spirit than the other Sith were, but I find that hard to believe. I think it had to do with his ability to draw on his own Temples for power. If Naga Sadow or Darth Bane or Darth Sidious or any other major Sith were to anchor their Essences to a planet or structure built on the dark side, they would be similarly powerful. Thoughts?
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Post by Strafe Prower on Jun 26, 2011 16:16:57 GMT -5
TLDR /lazyness You are wrong Silver! Wrong!
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Post by Silver on Jun 26, 2011 16:19:55 GMT -5
TLDR /lazyness You are wrong Silver! Wrong! I am right, I tell you! Now, be quiet, son, and let the Masters talk.
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JediXMan
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Post by JediXMan on Jun 26, 2011 16:21:22 GMT -5
I already replied to that one, I think. This was your last message, and I had not replied yet.
1. True. Good point. Hm. It is an interesting concept that they could gain power from being bound to a dark place while in the form of a spirit. It almost goes directly against the Sith and drifts into the Jedi philosophy. The Sith avoid death at all cost, while Jedi believe they become more powerful / gain wisdom when they become One with the Force. It's possible that the key to the power the Sith seek lies in controlling death, not avoiding it.
2. Definitely something I would like to see more of. I would also like to see the events leading to and including the Hundred-Year Darkness. That time is just so vague when referenced to. All we get are teasing passages and pictures from that time.
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Post by Strafe Prower on Jun 26, 2011 16:25:39 GMT -5
TLDR /lazyness You are wrong Silver! Wrong! I am right, I tell you! Now, be quiet, son, and let the Masters talk. Attachments:
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Post by Silver on Jun 26, 2011 16:30:34 GMT -5
I already replied to that one, I think. This was your last message, and I had not replied yet. 1. True. Good point. Hm. It is an interesting concept that they could gain power from being bound to a dark place while in the form of a spirit. It almost goes directly against the Sith and drifts into the Jedi philosophy. The Sith avoid death at all cost, while Jedi believe they become more powerful / gain wisdom when they become One with the Force. It's possible that the key to the power the Sith seek lies in controlling death, not avoiding it. 2. Definitely something I would like to see more of. I would also like to see the events leading to and including the Hundred-Year Darkness. That time is just so vague when referenced to. All we get are teasing passages and pictures from that time. Well, on the subject of Sith spirits in dark side places, sure. But the invisibility of Sith spirits is something new. So if you could give your thoughts on that, I would appreciate it. 1. Just to expand on what I was saying about Sidious, while he did project himself back to Byss more than once, he traveled for light years. It was not as simple as just moving across a room or a temple or something of the like. He went from Endor to Byss, literally halfway across the galaxy, as a roaming Essence. Freedon Nadd traveled the galaxy with Exar Kun, but he was a special case, considering the dark siders on Onderon resurrected Nadd's spirit from Chaos (and I will never understand how that is possible). Not to mention, Nadd traveled the galaxy, seemingly, by ship. And like we already said, he only moved to places with heavy dark side sources. Of course, all of this derails back to Sidious just being Sidious. He can break the Essence Transfer rules for no real reason, but my point is still valid. He crossed star systems, not just instantly arrived at his place of power. It took him a year to move from Endor to Byss and a few months for him to move from Da Soocha V to Byss. Your theory about avoiding death is interesting. In the case of someone like Exar Kun, he really had no choice though. The Jedi used an immense-scale Wall of Light to ravage the surface of Yavin. So he was left with no other option except to bond his Essence to his temples. Nihilus, of course, anchored his spirit to his armor, but he was a special case too. Ragnos and Sadow possessed tombs or talismans. Bane attempted to possess Zannah. Palpatine simply employed an avoidance of death. I think your theory makes sense. 2. Agreed completely. I would like to read more about the ancient Sith. I would not like to trail back too far though. One of the intricacies of Star Wars canon is that there are some events and stories that are ambiguous, and the only information we have on them is off-hand accounts or descriptions in sourcebooks. That makes them seem more interesting because, quite simply, it is just so ancient that it may never be revealed.
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Post by Silver on Jun 26, 2011 16:31:28 GMT -5
@strafe: LOL.
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