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Post by ckal on Aug 2, 2011 9:15:40 GMT -5
After Peter Parker was killed in Ultimate Spider-Man #160, fans were left wondering and speculating as to who would take over the mantle of Spider-Man. This Wednesday everyone's questions will be answered. The new Ultimate Spider-Man has been revealed to be.....Miles Morales, a half-black and half-Hispanic teen.  USA Today |
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Post by InnerVenom123 on Aug 2, 2011 10:53:23 GMT -5
Clever nameplay. Was hoping for Ultimate Miguel O'Hara, or Ben Reilly to use the Parker DNA to make himself more Spider-man-y. Oh well.
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Post by Admin on Aug 2, 2011 10:54:45 GMT -5
Meh. Haven't followed Ultimate Spider-Man in ages, and his death/new Ult Spider-Man doesn't interest me.
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Post by Dane on Aug 2, 2011 11:20:30 GMT -5
Pretty much agreed with katz. But I'd take it one step further:
To be totally honest, I'm sick to death of Marvel putting 'edgy' ideas into the Ultimate Universe for the sake of it.
Let's make Colossus gay!
Let's make the Maximoffs incestuous!
Let's make the Blob a cannibal!
Let's make Spider-Man black!
Seriously, fuck off. If you want to make a statement, holy shit, you're a writer. Write something to get your message across. If your readers are so stupid they need to be literally slapped in the face with things to understand them then pack it in because that isn't what writing is about. And if you want to make a statement, at least use mainstream characters where the consequences of your story matter for longer than 10 seconds. If you really want to have a major character who empowers minorities then write an original character that matters and build them into someone people will want to read about. Don't just take an established character, insert a minority and pretend it wasn't jarring, obvious and pathetic.
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Post by Admin on Aug 2, 2011 11:23:51 GMT -5
That being "one step further" is quite the understatement  |
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Post by Dane on Aug 2, 2011 11:29:24 GMT -5
Seriously I read a quote from some Marvel spokesperson that read something like this:
"Well we have a black President, why shouldn't we have a black Spider-Man?"
Because the President doesn't climb walls and fight the Green Goblin. Likewise, when you go to Defcon 5 a bunch of old guys in military uniforms aren't staring nervously at Spider-Man. They're mutually exclusive roles and ancestral background shouldn't somehow transfer between the two you absurdly stupid bitch.
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Post by ckal on Aug 2, 2011 11:29:29 GMT -5
I agree with Dane. I don't mean it offensively by any means, but it is not surprising at all that they have covered multiple ethnic bases with the new Spider-Man.
You're going to like this quote from the article, Dane:
She's obviously not aware of any black super heroes either.
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Post by Dane on Aug 2, 2011 11:33:47 GMT -5
Ah yes, the perennial "I work at the biggest comic book publisher in the entire world and still don't know that non-white and non-straight characters exist" person.
In other news, I wish she was integral in going to an art school because her character design makes black/latino Spider-Man look like a malnourished Down's Syndrome suffer.
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Post by ckal on Aug 2, 2011 11:35:02 GMT -5
Lol I just thought he looks like he's 12, but hey sure that too.
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Post by Dane on Aug 2, 2011 11:37:44 GMT -5
Ah yes, a 12 year old kid who is devoid of any known super powers decides to put on a super hero costume and fight crime against a rogues gallery of team busters who literally breathe fire. What the fuck could go wrong with that?
Remember what I said about Ultimate Marvel edginess only lasting 10 minutes? Yeah.
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Post by ckal on Aug 2, 2011 11:43:52 GMT -5
I don't really know about about this whole Ult. SM situation, but this kid seems like a new character. It seems like a dumb idea that a young kid with no experience with fighting or super powers is going to do anything other than die against Spidey's rogue gallery.
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Post by Dane on Aug 2, 2011 11:48:24 GMT -5
If there is one thing that is wrong with comics and has been for as long as I can remember it is publishers pulling stunts because they think it'll sell comics.
Killing off characters who return within a few issues, chained major 'events', introducing flash in the pan bullshit to make a quick buck?
I'm sick to death of it. Want to know how to sell books? Write them well. End of explanation.
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Post by ckal on Aug 2, 2011 11:58:42 GMT -5
I completely agree. And if anything proves it extremely well, it is both Marvel and DC as of late.
Marvel - Chaos War was so utterly irrelevant, everything about the event was essentially retconned before the final issue was over. Fear Itself is probably going to be something similar. All of Paris' population dead and turned to stone or dust? All of Washington DC burned to the ground? Yeah that probably won't last. But when something does change (Siege - Asgard crumbling to the ground), it sticks around pointlessly for such a long time and nothing is done with it. People just complain and mention ooo Asgard is broken. Let's see what happens with Schism.
DC- Do I really even have to say it? DCNU. Lol ok. And Flashpoint - Everything is going to change!!! Then we will reboot our entire universe because we can't possibly have that change last.
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Post by spoilsport on Aug 2, 2011 12:34:11 GMT -5
Despite how dumb this sounds, I generally greatly enjoyed Ultimate Spider-Man. It's going to take a while to get over this rather jarring change, but if the stories are good eventually I'll overlook it. I just, god-damn. Was this the reason they killed Spider-Man? To introduce a minority character for politically correct points? Because if so, man, that pisses me off.
until miles gets shot and crumbles to dust and then peter comes back and nobody cares
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Post by Power NeXus on Aug 2, 2011 16:22:07 GMT -5
Pretty much agreed with katz. But I'd take it one step further: To be totally honest, I'm sick to death of Marvel putting 'edgy' ideas into the Ultimate Universe for the sake of it. Let's make Colossus gay! Let's make the Maximoffs incestuous! Let's make the Blob a cannibal! Let's make Spider-Man black! Seriously, fuck off. If you want to make a statement, holy shit, you're a writer. Write something to get your message across. If your readers are so stupid they need to be literally slapped in the face with things to understand them then pack it in because that isn't what writing is about. And if you want to make a statement, at least use mainstream characters where the consequences of your story matter for longer than 10 seconds. If you really want to have a major character who empowers minorities then write an original character that matters and build them into someone people will want to read about. Don't just take an established character, insert a minority and pretend it wasn't jarring, obvious and pathetic. I think I see what you're saying there, but you picked a rather strange way of saying it. A black character isn't nearly as controversial as a gay, incestuous, or cannibalistic character. Personally, I have no problem with Spider-Man being black. When Donald Glover was being considered to play Peter in Amazing Spider-Man, I thought that was a great idea. I would have loved to see him play Peter. I can get past the fact that he doesn't look exactly like Peter does in the comics. The thing that ticks me off isn't that the new Spider-Man is black, but rather that he is a character we don't know. I thought it was cool when people were theorizing it was Hawkeye. Or, since they wanted the new guy to be black, couldn't they have gone with Hobie Brown (who, afaik, does not have an Ultimate counterpart yet). Nobody knows who Miles Morales is. Nobody cares about him. |
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Post by ckal on Aug 2, 2011 16:30:28 GMT -5
nexus- For me, it doesn't make sense for an iconic character to be portrayed as a different race in a movie. It's a publicity stunt. Heimdall, Kingpin, they are supporting, non iconic characters, so it is a little different to the general audiences who don't really know of them. But to make Peter Parker, one of the top 3 most recognizable and famous super heroes of all time, who is white, played by a black actor, makes no sense at all.
The same goes for the reverse as well. It would make no sense at all for one of the most famous black superheroes of all time, Storm, to be played by a white actress.
It makes no sense because the only reason to make that change is an attempt to make a statement, which is not the point whatsoever.
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Post by Erik-El on Aug 2, 2011 18:30:19 GMT -5
I do not care what color this new Spider-Man is. I just wish Peter Parker did not have to die for this new character to take over the mantle. Also, I am actually surprised Jessica Drew has not been featured in Fallout.
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Post by Purrpura Bastette on Aug 2, 2011 18:34:44 GMT -5
Trying to kill two birds with one stone, eh Marvel?
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Post by Matezoide on Aug 2, 2011 19:09:50 GMT -5
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Aug 2, 2011 19:41:39 GMT -5
Dane: exalt good sir, I agree. also  Top Cow and Darkhorse are the bomb.
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