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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Dec 21, 2011 7:29:50 GMT -5
There is absolutely nothing in the Silmarilion that could be used in the Hobbit.
The only problem with this movie is that it is not a Hobbit movie as much as a LOTR prequel. Which is unfortunate, but completely understandable.
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Post by substancedii on Dec 21, 2011 11:46:14 GMT -5
As a book it does... We are talking about movies. People seem to have a hard time separating the two. It's kind of a situation where the hobbit would have felt rushed if crammed in to one movie but would have felt stretched in 2.... And also the target audience are people who loved the lord of the ring movies and want an extension to that. Peter Jackson also wanted to tell one consistent story with all 4 books. It would be outright goofy for him film the hobbit in a different style. If the world wanted that there wouldn't have been so much outrage when Warner brothers was looking to have Sam Raimi direct the damn thing.
Just forget the fact that the hobbit book was written for a different age group then LOTR, and try to enjoy the movies for what they are. Books can't always be directly translated in to movies. A good example of this is the shining. The original movie was way different from the book... But it worked extremely well as a movie. Then look at the mini series whitch is a direct translation.... It's a piece of shit that isn't scary in the slightest.
When all said and done we will have an epic 5 part LOTR/hobbit saga that will be amazing
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Post by Lunacyde Prime on Dec 21, 2011 12:16:00 GMT -5
I just want to see the scene with the spiders in Mirkwood.
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Dec 21, 2011 13:49:34 GMT -5
As a book it does... We are talking about movies. People seem to have a hard time separating the two. It's kind of a situation where the hobbit would have felt rushed if crammed in to one movie but would have felt stretched in 2.... And also the target audience are people who loved the lord of the ring movies and want an extension to that. Peter Jackson also wanted to tell one consistent story with all 4 books. It would be outright goofy for him film the hobbit in a different style. If the world wanted that there wouldn't have been so much outrage when Warner brothers was looking to have Sam Raimi direct the damn thing. Just forget the fact that the hobbit book was written for a different age group then LOTR, and try to enjoy the movies for what they are. Books can't always be directly translated in to movies. A good example of this is the shining. The original movie was way different from the book... But it worked extremely well as a movie. Then look at the mini series whitch is a direct translation.... It's a piece of shit that isn't scary in the slightest. When all said and done we will have an epic 5 part LOTR/hobbit saga that will be amazing There's nothing in the Silmarilion that can be translated into a Hobbit movie. Whatever extra scenes could be added to the film (Like the Necromancer episode) can come only from LOTR itself, and all the information about it are present solely within LOTr and its appendices.
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Post by substancedii on Dec 21, 2011 14:12:55 GMT -5
K one more time. I never said that anything in the silmirilian was being directly translated in to a story. In fact i said that it is not a story and reads more like a bible It is being used as a refrence... Fact. Peter jackson is expanding on stuff that is known to have happend but wasnt nesiserily dealt with in the book I think its a fair bet that radagast who was cut from LOTR will show up (hopfully recasted). I wouldnt mind a glimps at the 2 blue wizzards as well P.s. there is stuff about gandalf in the silmirilian that is not in the books... Although he is ushualy reffered to as Mithrandir... Wos to say that the hobbit movies wont have a few things that took place before the hobbit
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Dec 21, 2011 14:32:32 GMT -5
K one more time. I never said that anything in the silmirilian was being directly translated in to a story. In fact i said that it is not a story and reads more like a bible It is being used as a refrence... Fact. Peter jackson is expanding on stuff that is known to have happend but wasnt nesiserily dealt with in the book I think its a fair bet that radagast who was cut from LOTR will show up (hopfully recasted). I wouldnt mind a glimps at the 2 blue wizzards as well P.s. there is stuff about gandalf in the silmirilian that is not in the books... Although he is ushualy reffered to as Mithrandir... Wos to say that the hobbit movies wont have a few things that took place before the hobbit You are missing my point. Story or no story, there is no information in the Silmarilion which could be used in the Hobbit movie one way or the other. Not unless you want to get into the cosmology of the Middle Earth, which would totally ruin the movie, and is the reason why Jackson purposefully cut out any already scarce references to the Valar and their wars with Morgoth that found their way into the book. There is such a thing as too much information. Jackson can say he's using whatever he wants for the movie, but the fact remains that nothing within it is usable and he damn well knows it.
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Post by substancedii on Dec 21, 2011 14:40:35 GMT -5
Yes there is. "of the rings of power and the 3erd age"
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Dec 21, 2011 14:49:14 GMT -5
Yes there is. "of the rings of power and the 3erd age" And there's nothing in there that isn't said in LOTR itself, in FAR more detail. See what I mean? On a side note, "Of the third age and the rings of power" was by far the worst part of Silmarilion IMO. It completely cheapened the impact of the Lord of The Rings as a story. Tolkien's magnum opus reduced to a few pointless lines just so the book could round off the entire timeline of his world. Silmarilion should have ended with the fall of Numenor.
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Post by substancedii on Dec 21, 2011 15:04:20 GMT -5
It didnt cheapen anything. Its not a story... Its a generalization of the time line of middle earth from the begining to the end of the 3erd age. Lord of the rings is a story regarding a small part of the time line.
It also gives a little bit of backstory to LOTR.
Im excited for the hobbit. Im sure there will be an insignificantly small group of bleeding hearts that will moan and grone about how its not exactly like the book.... Just like there was with LOTR... But most people will not care and love the movies... I think the trailer looks awsome. If i want the book it will always be sitting there waiting for me too read.
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Post by substancedii on Dec 21, 2011 15:24:16 GMT -5
The only thing I was skeptical about was recasting bilbo because he didnt realy age between the hobbit and LOTR... Although Ian Holm Did age between the 2 films and probably wasnt up to it... So I understood the dedision.. After seing the trailer iI must say im happy with the casting choice. I would probably criticize Lucas for doing somthing like what im about to sugest... But i kind of hope that peter jackson reedits the flashback seen in LOTR where bilbo finds the ring with the new younger bilbo. Verry little fix but i think it would be cool
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Dec 21, 2011 18:20:10 GMT -5
It didnt cheapen anything. Its not a story... Its a generalization of the time line of middle earth from the begining to the end of the 3erd age. Lord of the rings is a story regarding a small part of the time line. You keep saying it's not a story like that's a good thing...
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Post by ckal on Dec 21, 2011 21:50:59 GMT -5
I've watched this trailer so many times. It is glorious.
The Hobbit looks really, really good. Just about everything in this trailer looks and sounds and feels spot on.
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Post by Erik-El on Dec 21, 2011 21:58:46 GMT -5
I've watched this trailer so many times. It is glorious. The Hobbit looks really, really good. Just about everything in this trailer looks and sounds and feels spot on. Another fan of the books lends a positive opinion to the movie. I wonder if this means a lot of book fans feel the same way.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Dec 21, 2011 23:37:59 GMT -5
Yeah, if he's trying to use the silmarillion in a Hobbit movie, Jackson proves he doesn't understand shit about the hobbit. It would do fine as a movie, it's just not supposed to be like LOTR because neither were intended as the same kind of story.
Fire Jackson, get Guillermo del Toro to direct it.
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Post by Erik-El on Dec 22, 2011 0:21:02 GMT -5
Yeah, if he's trying to use the silmarillion in a Hobbit movie, Jackson proves he doesn't understand shit about the hobbit. It would do fine as a movie, it's just not supposed to be like LOTR because neither were intended as the same kind of story. Fire Jackson, get Guillermo del Toro to direct it. Hellboy? No thank you.
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Post by Power NeXus on Dec 22, 2011 0:30:39 GMT -5
I've watched this trailer so many times. It is glorious. The Hobbit looks really, really good. Just about everything in this trailer looks and sounds and feels spot on. Another fan of the books lends a positive opinion to the movie. I wonder if this means a lot of book fans feel the same way. I don't think we can complain that this movie looks like it's different from the book. If we did that, we'd also be complaining that the Avengers movie doesn't have Wasp and Rick Jones, and doesn't involve Loki mind-controlling Hulk into causing a train wreck. No good movie is ever going to be exactly like the original material.
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Post by Erik-El on Dec 22, 2011 0:38:18 GMT -5
Another fan of the books lends a positive opinion to the movie. I wonder if this means a lot of book fans feel the same way. I don't think we can complain that this movie looks like it's different from the book. If we did that, we'd also be complaining that the Avengers movie doesn't have Wasp and Rick Jones, and doesn't involve Loki mind-controlling Hulk into causing a train wreck. No good movie is ever going to be exactly like the original material. Wut... Janet is not going to be in Avengers? Are you fucking kidding me? Who is Pym going to smack then, Widow?! That will give the movie an entirely different feel! This movie is going to shit town on me all at once.
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Post by substancedii on Dec 22, 2011 2:28:36 GMT -5
Well 2 pieces of good news. The brown wizard is in
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Dec 22, 2011 3:31:26 GMT -5
What the other piece?
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Post by Admin on Dec 22, 2011 9:43:52 GMT -5
I'm a big fan of walking. Will there be any walking in this film?
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