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Post by creator on Oct 22, 2012 22:01:43 GMT -5
If the only requirement to be ranked a 13 is to move so fast that you are invisible to the naked eye, then Wolverine would qualify and I honestly don't think he is anywhere near 13. That's why I like to see a range of feats for the character. So we can be a little more secure in the estimate. However I also remember wolverine cutting Warhawks rocket bullet from the air which is quite a good feat.
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Post by creator on Oct 22, 2012 22:03:42 GMT -5
No. I don't think he is rank 13. Certainly a 9 or higher on average from feats I recall. Does Wolverine have a respect thread. If he does, I'll take a look through some of his feats.
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Post by Erik-El on Oct 22, 2012 22:16:47 GMT -5
Wait are we taking the average here or are we taking the best feats possible because quite a few times, I have seen feats posted that have yet to be average showings.
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Post by creator on Oct 22, 2012 22:24:56 GMT -5
Wait are we taking the average here or are we taking the best feats possible because quite a few times, I have seen feats posted that have yet to be average showings. If there are so many occasions of very high end feats that they become the normal (so say 12 times in a year for simplicity) then you could argue they are the bench mark. However if the character is also hit by a lot of lower end speed attacks, I would argue we should seek the middle ground with the lower end feats as well.
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Post by Erik-El on Oct 22, 2012 22:29:04 GMT -5
Wait are we taking the average here or are we taking the best feats possible because quite a few times, I have seen feats posted that have yet to be average showings. If there are so many occasions of very high end feats that they become the normal (so say 12 times in a year for simplicity) then you could argue they are the bench mark. However if the character is also hit by a lot of lower end speed attacks, I would argue we should seek the middle ground with the lower end feats as well. That sounds reasonable. But take Midnighter for example. He has several feats that are kind of all over the place but only one solid rank 13 feat posted and suddenly, he is a rank 13. That is essentially my issue.
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Post by creator on Oct 22, 2012 22:42:37 GMT -5
That sounds reasonable. But take Midnighter for example. He has several feats that are kind of all over the place but only one solid rank 13 feat posted and suddenly, he is a rank 13. That is essentially my issue. I thought I had Midnighter on 3 rank 13 feats. Dodging the the shots from the Ballbuster: Midnighter looks to be 10' away from her. I cannot see a projectile from the gun. So it could well be some form of energy, maybe a plasma form, so it would move slower than even a lightning bolt (assuming I'm correct of course). So with that in mind, I would rank it for example purposes as a rail gun, so several times the speed of sound for projectile speed. With this assumption, the feat is rank 13. This fits in well because I did lots of calculations before for a feat that Thor performed, where he moved fast enough to blur and almost became invisible and that too was a rank 13 feat. So midnighters feat lower on the page with the after images is suggestive of a rank 12 / 13 feat.Blitzing the bad guy: if I recall correctly, the bad guy can fly real fast, emit energy beams from his eyes and some level of superhuman strength. However I don't recall him (them) displaying a high level of super human reaction speed. However saying that, even if he has slightly enhanced reaction speed, this would still be a rank 13 feat.
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Post by Strafe Prower on Oct 22, 2012 22:49:25 GMT -5
Creator, I think Rank 6 is good for now.
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Post by creator on Oct 22, 2012 23:00:44 GMT -5
Creator, I think Rank 6 is good for now. Great.
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Post by Erik-El on Oct 22, 2012 23:11:45 GMT -5
That sounds reasonable. But take Midnighter for example. He has several feats that are kind of all over the place but only one solid rank 13 feat posted and suddenly, he is a rank 13. That is essentially my issue. I thought I had Midnighter on 3 rank 13 feats. Dodging the the shots from the Ballbuster: Midnighter looks to be 10' away from her. I cannot see a projectile from the gun. So it could well be some form of energy, maybe a plasma form, so it would move slower than even a lightning bolt (assuming I'm correct of course). So with that in mind, I would rank it for example purposes as a rail gun, so several times the speed of sound for projectile speed. With this assumption, the feat is rank 13. This fits in well because I did lots of calculations before for a feat that Thor performed, where he moved fast enough to blur and almost became invisible and that too was a rank 13 feat. So midnighters feat lower on the page with the after images is suggestive of a rank 12 / 13 feat.Blitzing the bad guy: if I recall correctly, the bad guy can fly real fast, emit energy beams from his eyes and some level of superhuman strength. However I don't recall him (them) displaying a high level of super human reaction speed. However saying that, even if he has slightly enhanced reaction speed, this would still be a rank 13 feat.You do have 3 but only one is a solid 13. The other 2 are based on assumptions.
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Post by creator on Oct 22, 2012 23:15:30 GMT -5
I thought I had Midnighter on 3 rank 13 feats. Dodging the the shots from the Ballbuster: Midnighter looks to be 10' away from her. I cannot see a projectile from the gun. So it could well be some form of energy, maybe a plasma form, so it would move slower than even a lightning bolt (assuming I'm correct of course). So with that in mind, I would rank it for example purposes as a rail gun, so several times the speed of sound for projectile speed. With this assumption, the feat is rank 13. This fits in well because I did lots of calculations before for a feat that Thor performed, where he moved fast enough to blur and almost became invisible and that too was a rank 13 feat. So midnighters feat lower on the page with the after images is suggestive of a rank 12 / 13 feat.Blitzing the bad guy: if I recall correctly, the bad guy can fly real fast, emit energy beams from his eyes and some level of superhuman strength. However I don't recall him (them) displaying a high level of super human reaction speed. However saying that, even if he has slightly enhanced reaction speed, this would still be a rank 13 feat.You do have 3 but only one is a solid 13. The other 2 are based on assumptions. That's true. I have lots of other feats that buckshot used on the Vine for debates with Midnighter that are in the 10 to 14 range (if I remember correctly). But what do you suggest, rate him lower for now until proven ? In which case, what about rank 12 taking in to account some of the possible error ?
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Post by Erik-El on Oct 22, 2012 23:21:56 GMT -5
If you say he has more that place him in 13, I am fine with it. I trust your word. I am just going off of what I am seeing here.
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Post by CitizenBane on Oct 22, 2012 23:43:38 GMT -5
I'll dig up some clearer feats once I'm done with that Authority thread.
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Post by creator on Oct 23, 2012 6:38:23 GMT -5
I'll dig up some clearer feats once I'm done with that Authority thread. Thanks.
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Post by Strafe Prower on Oct 23, 2012 23:54:40 GMT -5
creator, did you ever look through the BL and Geo feats?
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Post by creator on Oct 24, 2012 18:13:44 GMT -5
creator, did you ever look through the BL and Geo feats? I did but it was difficult to rank them and I got caught up in finishing some other grids off (as the Home stretch is in sight). I'll take another look and post something.
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Post by Strafe Prower on Oct 24, 2012 18:24:37 GMT -5
It's cool man, take your time. I'll try to find more for you.
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Post by creator on Oct 24, 2012 19:11:24 GMT -5
Feat 1: the 4 gunmen are around 10' from BL. They are using semi's. BL manages to dodge 3 shots but ges hit by the fourth. The feat seems to be rank 10. Feat 2: it's difficult to say how far the assailants were from BL and there is the fact that he has some cover (if only to make it harder to target him). So (a bit harshly) I would put this as rank 5. Feat 3: does he raise the shield after they have fired? I don't think this is a good example of a feat (like dodging a bullet etc) as he does not have to perceive the bullet and then physically dodge it. Hence I have not ranked this feat. Feat 4: in a similar vein to feat 3, all he has to do is raise his shield and he can see his opponent is firing his guns. So I have not ranked this feat. Feat 5: does BL raise his shield in response to the gunfire of does he realize the assailants are pointing guns his way and thus he raises his shield? The former requires a lot more speed than the latter. Assuming its the former, it would be a rank 7 or 8 feat as he does not have to dodge but they are approx 5' from him. Do we have more physically dodging / reacting feats?
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Post by creator on Oct 24, 2012 21:13:03 GMT -5
The fight with BL does not really show any reaction speed feats for GF as he does not really dodge anything. He does create a handheld shield but it is not clear that he creates this before or after BL attacks. Blocking bullets: just like my comments for BL, the feat is not very good because GF knows that his assailant is firing bullets before he directs it towards GF. Contains a nuke: I can only say that that must be the worlds smallest nuke......even if GF increased the density around the explosion a thousandfold, the explosion would still expand outwards. Anyhow that aside, he would have approx 100 microseconds to contain the explosion before the secondary shockwave began to expand at roughly 30km/second. So if this is a nuclear explosion, it would be a rank 8 feat. Containing the explosion: the shrapnel from an HE explosion is likely to be traveling in excess of 1400m/second. As he contains this within 4' of the explosion, this would be rank 13.
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Post by creator on Oct 24, 2012 21:14:29 GMT -5
It's cool man, take your time. I'll try to find more for you. Thanks Strafe.
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Post by Strafe Prower on Oct 29, 2012 23:24:25 GMT -5
I'm having a hard time finding feats. You can look through the respect threads for a better estimate :/
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