Power Grids: Kinetic Durability

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Power Grids: Kinetic Durability

This is the grid discussion based on Kinetic Durability feats.
Kinetic Durability can be estimated by comparing the examples on the grid to published feats.

The rank produced for each character should reflect the rating a character can withstand without any real damage e.g. no bruising, no cutting, no concussion, no KO.

The grid has a Blunt force element and a Piercing force element as some characters have good resistance to blunt forces but can be easily cut.
So when ranking a character, please use the following process,

1. Put the characters name under the relevant rank number and state if that rank is for Blunt (B) and/or Piercing (P) durability
2. If the character has different B and P ranks, please put the other rating under the relevant rank number.

So for example

Rank 4
Mr X: (B/P)

or

Rank 4
Mr X (B)

Rank 7
Mr X (P)

This grid will also cover force fields that resist kinetic attacks but also rate those characters without the shield up. So the Invisible Woman might have 4 ratings if her Blunt and Piercing ratings differ for her with the shield both up and down.
For Force Field users please show their stats as follows,

Invisible Woman (FF-B) With the Force Field

or

Invisible Woman (FF-B/P) With the Force Field

or

Invisible Woman (B) Without the Force Field


This grid does not cover energy durability (heat, cold, lightning, sonics, radiation etc). That will be covered in a separate grid.

Please post scanned feats but try to make them ones that can be quantified to support your rating for the characters.
If required I can and will (with your help) attempt to estimate the durability feat. Just ask.

Guidance on Explosions
If the explosion is contained then it delivers the full ampount of energy
Shaped charges / smaller missiles deliver the full amount of energy to the character if they take a direct hit
If the expplosion goes off while the character is in direct contact with the explosive then they take 50% of the total output.
If within 5' of the explosion then they take 10% of the output.


As always I go first to help set the stage


Compiled List

Rank 0
Aut May (P)

Rank 1
Aunt May (B)

Rank 2


Rank 3


Rank 4


Rank 5


Rank 6


Rank 7


Rank 8


Rank 9


Rank 10


Rank 11


Rank 12


Rank 13


Rank 14


Rank 15


Rank 16


Rank 17


Rank 18


Rank 19


Rank 20


Rank 21


Rank 22


Rank 23


Rank 24


Rank 25


Rank 26


Rank 27


Rank 28


Rank 29


Rank 30
Eternity (B/P)

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[Beatboks]

Alright, someone needs to kick this thing off.

Kent Nelson (the original) without the helm of Nabu ( physical durability only no magic shields)
I'm going to slight low ball him to start with and say a 21. Based on the fact that he could take the nuclear blasts of Cyclotron. his Nuclear energy levels were around the level of the the first Nagasaki device (bottom end of 23). Of course this wasn't a full on explosion hence my starting out here.

www.comicvine.com/myvine/beatboks1/doctor-fate/108-545055/half_helmet_fate_endurance_2/105-2125490/

www.comicvine.com/myvine/beatboks1/doctor-fate/108-545055/half_helmet_fate_endurance/105-2125489/

www.comicvine.com/myvine/beatboks1/doctor-fate/108-545055/half_helmet_dr_fte_endurance_3/105-2125488/

I'm pretty damn sure those scans are already on my Dr Fate respect thread (but I'll check later)

[creator]

I have already made some updates to the grid so please use this one instead for rankings.

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[creator]

Blue Marvel

The image mentions a Polaris missile.
The Polaris used a nuclear warhead comprised of 3 x W58 devices. Each W58 unit was a 200kt device, thus a total yield of 600 kt.
The device entered servicde in the 1960's so this also ties up with the Blue Marvels initial appaearances.

The image has Blue Marvel holding the missile approx 2/3rds the way down the missile so he is further away from the warhead. On detonation this would therefore deliver far from the total amount of energy in the warhead.

To keep consistency in estimating these feats, I have updated the initial posting to include guidelines on the missile and bomb detonations.

One of these assumptions is that the warhead would deliver just 10% of the energy of the device.
Therefore this puts the energy at the top end of Rank 23.
As Blue Marvel has exchanged blows with King Hyperion and the Sentry, I think that his durability extends to both Blunt and Piercing attacks.

Blue Marvel: Rank 23 (B/P)

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Gladiator

Gladiator's flight through the red giant would have seen him most likely fly through its core (as the core typically can be up to 25% of a stars radius).
As he has also exchanged blows with Hyperion and Thor so again I think his durability extends to both Blunt and Piercing attacks.
The rank of this feat would be Rank 24.

Gladiator: Rank 24 (B/P)

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Luke Cage

Here Luke takes an explosion assisted punch from Nitro.
Nitro's explosion assisted punches deliver up to 10lbs (4.5kg) of TNT.

Luke Cage: Rank 15 (B/P)

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Luke Cage

Here Luke runs straight in to an old Jeep (model: Willys MB).
The weight of this vehicle is around 2300 lbs so it close to the weight of a subcompact car. The car does not appear to be travelling at high speed as the distance to accelerate is not large. So I am saying that jeep is not travelling at more than 30mph.

Luke Cage: Rank 11 (B/P)

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Luke Cage

Here Luke smothers (contains) a Pumpkin Grenade. From the flames shown, it would appear to a explosive/incendiary variety.
This would put it in the same region as a M67 frag grenade.

Luke Cage: Rank 13 (B/P)

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[Painkiller]

Where would you rank Superman? 28?

[creator]

Superman has a lot of feats at the 25 / 26 level and quite a few at 27 / 28. So his actual consistent level could be around any of these. I will start posting some later for review.

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I'd be especially curious to see where the following would be ranked:
Abomination
Cyber (can provide scans if needed)
Omega Red (can provide scans if needed)
Deadpool
Venom
Bullseye

[creator]

Mar 31, 2012 1:43:46 GMT -5 Admin said:

I'd be especially curious to see where the following would be ranked:
Abomination
Cyber (can provide scans if needed)
Omega Red (can provide scans if needed)
Deadpool
Venom
Bullseye

If you can put up the scans, I will gladly rank them.

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Superman

Here he takes a nuclear blast described as a 'million nuclear blasts'. This does make this feat a little hard to estimate. However on the very next page he does say that the blast did hurt him, he has a concussion and is stunned. So this fact means that he would be 1 rank lower than the estimated explosive force rank of the blast (if that makes sense).

We need to make an assumption about how large each of these 1,000,000 nuclear blasts are.
So lets do the calculation based on 2 levels (as the civilisation was very advanced so higher ouput nukes)
1. Each being 1 Mt
2. Each being 50 Mt

Superman is in direct contcat with the explosion but the storage batteries that explode are quite large and spread out so I'm going with Superman only seeing 10% of the outpt again.

Therefore example 1 equates to Rank 26 (higher end). Example 2 equates to Rank 27 as well (middle of the rank).

As we mentioned that the explosion did hurt Superman, I think we should therefore lower Superman's rating here by 1.

Superman: Rank 26 (B/P)

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Superman

Here Superman flys at just under the speed of light and destroys a moon. Using quick Kinetic Energy calculations based on his weight and speed (his weight we know is 107kg and I am assuming his speed to be 99% the speed of light), we can calculate how much force he delivers and based on the basic equal and opposite forces stance, this equates to low end Rank 26.

Superman: Rank 26 (B/P)

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Thor

Thor has had battles against many high end Marvel powerhouses that includes Hulk, Hercules, Wonderman, Hyperion and Gladiator.
Some of these battles have been quite extended, particularly against the Hulh.
The strength rating for some of these characters is around the 20 - 24 level from some of the conversations we have had in the Strength grid thread.
Therefore Thor to blunt for alone seems to be at least around rank 23.
If people want to post some of these battles please do so.

Thor: Rank 23 (B)

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Thor

Here Thor withstands a heat seeking missile.
The Sidewinder heat seeking missile variants used about an 11kg frag warhead in the early 2000's.
This would put it as a low end rank 16 piercing feat.

On a side note, Wolverine has managed to cut Thor's face (at least slightly) so Thor's durabilility to Piercing damage is lower than his resistance to Blunt damage. However as yet I have not yet calculated what Wolverine's claws are equivalent to for Piercing attacks.

Thor: Rank 16 (P)

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Wonder Man

Wonderman in his fight with the Abomination.
Here we see Wonderman actually taking physical damage from the Abomination's punches. So this would mean that the Abomination's rank strength is sufficient to cause damage.
So Wonderman's durability so be at least 1 rank less.
I don't think we have rated Abomination's strength but it is below that of Thor. Thor was rated at rank 24 / 25 strength.
As an initial suggestion, I am putting the Abomination around the 22 / 23 rank.


Wonderman: Rank 22 (B/P)

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[Beatboks]

Very low end feat for Alan Scot's shields. In All Star Squadron Annual 2 he encloses the explosion of Terry Curtis/Cyclotron described as the Hiroshima bomb 3 years early. He does so without strain or pushing and before many upgrades.

That alone places his shields at 23(B) (one of a few times he contains that level of Nuclear explosion).

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Spiderman

Here Spidey gets hit by what looks to be a compact sized car that is thrown at relatively high velocity by the Lizard. I'm not sure what high velocity equates to so I am going to have to make an assumption (Spidey does say it's combination of size and speed means he cannot dodge it).

So for speed, I am suggesting 30mph as it was thrown from at most 20' away.

My reasoning for this.
1. In the first image Spiderman is swinging in to the street and looks about ready to let go of his web line to sail over to the Lizard.
2. As he appears to still be in mid air when hit by the car, he can do little to dodge the car (he has nothing to push / pull against to alter his trajectory.

At 30mph, it would take less than 0.5 seconds for the car at 30 mph to hit Spidey from 20' away.

It is debatable if this impact actually hurt Spiderman but he is holding his head as he finally makes his way clear of the car.

This is a Rank 11 Blunt feat but I feel that because Spidey shows some result of the impact (stunned, dazed etc) then he is not immune to the Rank 11 damage shown.

Spiderman: Rank 11 (B)

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[Admin]

Splice:
Recovers and is fine after a clean hit from Wonder Man




Electric based attacks will bring him down



Taking a rather brutal beating from Wonder Man to drop him