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Post by Beatboks on Sept 16, 2011 1:26:05 GMT -5
Just 4 the record all rankings in creators last post he and I have discussed in PMs Nothing just arbitrary, and the reason I succeeded on Shuma rank to have him fit properly in line with other Marvel cosmics
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Post by creator on Sept 16, 2011 6:32:38 GMT -5
Just 4 the record all rankings in creators last post he and I have discussed in PMs Nothing just arbitrary, and the reason I succeeded on Shuma rank to have him fit properly in line with other Marvel cosmics Go team!
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Post by Matezoide on Sept 17, 2011 11:38:19 GMT -5
Enchantress (Marvel)
Energy Source: 16 (appears to draw energy from several sources,though will slowy lose power outside of Asgard)
Adeptness: 19 (several different types of spells,including mind control,telepathy,teleport,time manipulation and matter manipulation)
Power Simulation: 18 (Able to injure the likes of Thor,Nightmare in his own dimension,KO the Vision and one-shot the Hulk)
Overall: 18
I am not really helping with these,but i wanna change this and actualy be a helpfull member for the Ledger,and since i know a lot about Enchantress.... ;D
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Post by creator on Sept 17, 2011 13:56:29 GMT -5
A few more to review
Kaluu Energy Source: 25 Adeptness: 24 Power Simulation: 25 Overall: 25
Urthona Energy Source: 22 Adeptness: 21 Power Simulation: 21 Overall: 22
Circe Energy Source: 25 Adeptness: 26 Power Simulation: 26 Overall: 26
Ancient One Energy Source: 23 Adeptness: 26 Power Simulation: 25 Overall: 25
Enchantress (DC) Energy Source: 22 Adeptness: 21 Power Simulation: 22 Overall: 22
Adversary Energy Source: 26 Adeptness: 26 Power Simulation: 26 Overall: 26
And once again thanks to Beatboks for helping review these stats.
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Post by creator on Sept 17, 2011 14:11:14 GMT -5
Enchantress (Marvel) Energy Source: 16 (appears to draw energy from several sources,though will slowy lose power outside of Asgard) Adeptness: 19 (several different types of spells,including mind control,telepathy,teleport,time manipulation and matter manipulation) Power Simulation: 18 (Able to injure the likes of Thor,Nightmare in his own dimension,KO the Vision and one-shot the Hulk) Overall: 18 I am not really helping with these,but i wanna change this and actualy be a helpfull member for the Ledger,and since i know a lot about Enchantress.... ;D I am really happy that you posted as I was beginning to think only Beatboks and myself were going to populate this grid. We had scored Enchantress (Marvel) as Energy Source: 20 Adeptness: 18 Power Simulation: 17 Overall: 18 Which apart from the Power Source was not far off your figures and the overall score was the same, for which i breath a heavy sigh of relief I am actually happier to use your figures for her as you may have better knowledge of Enchantress than I but i was wondering if you can you explain your selection of rating 16 for the energy source ?
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Post by creator on Sept 17, 2011 14:34:12 GMT -5
List so far,
Compiled List
Rank 1
Rank 2
Rank 3
Rank 4
Rank 5[/
Rank 6
Rank 7
Rank 8 Doctor Druid Doctor Mist
Rank 9
Rank 10
Rank 11 John Constantine Rank 12 Amanda Sefton Shat-ru (K Nelson's body) Rank 13 Nabu (K Nelson's body)
Rank 14 Doctor Occult Sargon Rank 15
Rank 16
Rank 17 Agatha Harkness Baron Mordo Dark Majestra Doctor Doom Rank 18 Arion Enchantress (Marvel) Rank 19 Garn Daanuth
Rank 20
Rank 21 Calculha Daimon Hellstron (fully Hell powered)
Rank 22 Enchantress (DC) Grey Man Urthona Rank 23
Rank 24 Clea Loki Lords of Order / Chaos Mephisto (outside Hel) Phantom Stranger Shazam Rank 25 Ancient One Dr Fate (classic) Doctor Strange (classic) Kaluu Nabu (energy form) Totec
Rank 26 Adversary Circe Mordru Umar
Rank 27 Dormammu Hoggoth Mephisto (in Hel) Oshtur Spectre Surtur Thunderbolt (Jakeem) Zeus (Marvel)
Rank 28 Agamotto Kulak Odin (Marvel) Shauma-Gorath
Rank 29 Chthon Zom
Rank 30 Eternity Great Evil Beast Living Tribunal
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Post by Matezoide on Sept 17, 2011 18:57:38 GMT -5
Enchantress (Marvel) Energy Source: 16 (appears to draw energy from several sources,though will slowy lose power outside of Asgard) Adeptness: 19 (several different types of spells,including mind control,telepathy,teleport,time manipulation and matter manipulation) Power Simulation: 18 (Able to injure the likes of Thor,Nightmare in his own dimension,KO the Vision and one-shot the Hulk) Overall: 18 I am not really helping with these,but i wanna change this and actualy be a helpfull member for the Ledger,and since i know a lot about Enchantress.... ;D I am really happy that you posted as I was beginning to think only Beatboks and myself were going to populate this grid. We had scored Enchantress (Marvel) as Energy Source: 20 Adeptness: 18 Power Simulation: 17 Overall: 18 Which apart from the Power Source was not far off your figures and the overall score was the same, for which i breath a heavy sigh of relief I am actually happier to use your figures for her as you may have better knowledge of Enchantress than I but i was wondering if you can you explain your selection of rating 16 for the energy source ? I am gald for helping and i plan on doing that more consistently,this is a very large effort of your and Beatboks part and you two certanly require as much help as possible.(and i hadnt seen she was already ranked,sorry for that). I didnt quite understand the energy source thing,but the fact she will gradualy lose power while out-side of Asgard made me drop her score for 3 or so points,if her energy source was that high,she should be able to stay away from Asgard with no problem what-so-ever. Addtionaly,i dont recall she stating she actualy draws power from a demon/god/whatever nor saying something similar to ``Crimson Bands of Cyttorak!!``,hence,i always thought she mostly uses her own reserves of magic. I might be wrong there and i could have misunderstood what energy source means exactly,so a quick explanation on why she was given a 20 would be good. oh,and you typed Shauma-Gorath on your last post ;D
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Post by Matezoide on Sept 17, 2011 19:03:41 GMT -5
I am not a Cyttorak expert,but i think these ranks are suitable for him.
Cyttorak
Energy Source: 28 Adaptness: 29 (possibly 28) Power Stimulation: 28
Overral: 28-29 depending on Adaptness.
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Post by Beatboks on Sept 17, 2011 21:29:25 GMT -5
No ones really an expert on cyttorack ( what's he dot just over a dozen appearances) I will say his source IMHO should be 29 only because the highest end Marvel mystics call upon him for power of their most potent spells (Dormammu anyone)
As for the source for me It's a combination of where power is drawn from and other limiting factors (sometimes what power is drawn by others from them) A mortal simply using magic around them is a 1 to 4 ( 1 to 3 would mean limiting factors) If they touch greater power 5 to 15 ( 5 to 8 might mean a familiar is used , 9 to 12 a talisman. 13 to 15 a few) 16 to 20 a few sources 20 to 26 many high end sources 27to 30 they are the source for much power for others ( the ones called on for major spells) Hope that makes sense Sometimes the limiting factors on drawing power might be as simple as mortal limits
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Post by Beatboks on Sept 17, 2011 21:35:59 GMT -5
As for Enchantress (Marvel) I originally thought our rank of her was a little low. It was the Thor fan in me that couldn't see her troubling the thunder god so much if she was only that. I conceded to creator that here victories were more due to guile and cunning than power as I'd 1st thought. I figure 20 because of immortality hence no physical limitations on the power she can draw.
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Post by Matezoide on Sept 18, 2011 12:37:33 GMT -5
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Post by creator on Sept 18, 2011 15:45:20 GMT -5
I am gald for helping and i plan on doing that more consistently,this is a very large effort of your and Beatboks part and you two certanly require as much help as possible.(and i hadnt seen she was already ranked,sorry for that). Thanks and no problem, we have been scoring quite a few characters. I would mirror Beatboks comments about energy sources. The original score of 20 was based on her ability to channel various sources of magic. Although at her strongest in Asgard, she has on many occasions in the past cast powerful spells in Midgard. When Midgard was part of the Earthly realm, she was still casting spells. As an Asgardian she has, I believe IMO, more Personal energies for spells than say a human has (she is an immortal). She also likely draws on Universal energies and Dimensional energies like other mages do, without resorting to entreaties. As she is experienced in drawing on all these sources, I rated her at a 20. See above.
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Post by creator on Sept 18, 2011 15:49:31 GMT -5
I am not a Cyttorak expert,but i think these ranks are suitable for him. Cyttorak Energy Source: 28 Adaptness: 29 (possibly 28) Power Stimulation: 28 Overral: 28-29 depending on Adaptness. I would rate him along similar lines to be honest but I don't think his overall score should be higher than 28 as that would put him on equal footing with Agamotto.
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Post by Matezoide on Sept 18, 2011 17:34:08 GMT -5
In that case,i would agree that a 20 is good for her,this should bring her score to: Enchantress (Marvel) Energy Source: 20 Adeptness: 19 Power Simulation: 18 Overall: 19 Though i am still unsure on how to rank her Power Simulation,i can post some of her best feats on sheer power to analise it better, I am not a Cyttorak expert,but i think these ranks are suitable for him. Cyttorak Energy Source: 28 Adaptness: 29 (possibly 28) Power Stimulation: 28 Overral: 28-29 depending on Adaptness. I would rate him along similar lines to be honest but I don't think his overall score should be higher than 28 as that would put him on equal footing with Agamotto. 28 is prety much what i would rate him,to be honest,i just wasnt sure on how much his Adaptness should be rated.
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Post by Beatboks on Sept 18, 2011 19:01:07 GMT -5
I am not a Cyttorak expert,but i think these ranks are suitable for him. Cyttorak Energy Source: 28 Adaptness: 29 (possibly 28) Power Stimulation: 28 Overral: 28-29 depending on Adaptness. I would rate him along similar lines to be honest but I don't think his overall score should be higher than 28 as that would put him on equal footing with Agamotto. On consideration Agreed - forget about comment on sorce being 29 (that would require adeptness to drop.
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Post by Beatboks on Sept 18, 2011 19:03:37 GMT -5
In that case,i would agree that a 20 is good for her,this should bring her score to: Enchantress (Marvel) Energy Source: 20 Adeptness: 19 Power Simulation: 18 Overall: 19 Though i am still unsure on how to rank her Power Simulation,i can post some of her best feats on sheer power to analise it better, That looks pretty good. There could even be room for her power simulation to be nearer 20 (making it 20) but again i may be considering high end feats and not "leveling" it enough.
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Post by Matezoide on Sept 18, 2011 19:39:36 GMT -5
In that case,i would agree that a 20 is good for her,this should bring her score to: Enchantress (Marvel) Energy Source: 20 Adeptness: 19 Power Simulation: 18 Overall: 19 Though i am still unsure on how to rank her Power Simulation,i can post some of her best feats on sheer power to analise it better, That looks pretty good. There could even be room for her power simulation to be nearer 20 (making it 20) but again i may be considering high end feats and not "leveling" it enough. To be fair,she has just as many high end feats as jobbing instances
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Post by creator on Sept 19, 2011 2:31:18 GMT -5
In that case,i would agree that a 20 is good for her,this should bring her score to: Enchantress (Marvel) Energy Source: 20 Adeptness: 19 Power Simulation: 18 Overall: 19 Though i am still unsure on how to rank her Power Simulation,i can post some of her best feats on sheer power to analise it better, 28 is prety much what i would rate him,to be honest,i just wasnt sure on how much his Adaptness should be rated. If you would to post some links to a range of her feats, that would be great I think a adeptness of 28 for Cyttorak is accurate. I am wondering if we have enough info to rate some of his contempories ?
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Post by creator on Sept 19, 2011 14:34:47 GMT -5
A few more for review. Thanks again to Beatboks for being the sounding board.
Mister Jip Energy Source: 11 Adeptness: 14 Power Simulation: 12 Overall: 13
Llan Energy Source: 26 Adeptness: 27 Power Simulation: 27 Overall: 27
Shaman Energy Source: 17 Adeptness: 18 Power Simulation: 15 Overall: 17
Talisman Energy Source: 21 Adeptness: 19 Power Simulation: 18 Overall: 19
Trigon Energy Source: 26 Adeptness: 26 Power Simulation: 27 Overall: 27
Talon Energy Source: 6 Adeptness: 8 Power Simulation: 5 Overall: 6
Satannish (inside own realm) Energy Source: 27 Adeptness: 23 Power Simulation: 26 Overall: 26
Rintrah Energy Source: 12 Adeptness: 13 Power Simulation: 10 Overall: 12
Morgan le Fey (Marvel) Energy Source: 24 Adeptness: 22 Power Simulation: 22 Overall: 23
Merlin (Marvel - Camelot) Energy Source: 24 Adeptness: 25 Power Simulation: 25 Overall: 25
Necrom Energy Source: 22 Adeptness: 25 Power Simulation: 25 Overall: 25
Nicholas Scratch Energy Source: 17 Adeptness: 18 Power Simulation: 15 Overall: 17
Modred (no possession) Energy Source: 12 Adeptness: 12 Power Simulation: 10 Overall: 11
Modred (possessed) Energy Source: 19 Adeptness: 20 Power Simulation: 18 Overall: 19
Jennifer Kale Energy Source: 17 Adeptness: 18 Power Simulation: 17 Overall: 18
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Post by Matezoide on Sept 19, 2011 17:58:43 GMT -5
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