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Post by Bentley on Jan 15, 2011 3:56:40 GMT -5
I read some of the solicits for AA and they are reintroducing both Wasp and Korvac, which is interesting since Korvac is one of the classic villains that hasn't been done in Avengers since his inception (two arcs came later but they were much less central and outside their book). Of course I also like to have Wasp back, not only because it feels silly to have three Avengers teams running around without her nor because she had a meaningless death in SI, but simply because of her interaction with Pym, which would be interesting to see if Pym continues to grow as a not-screw up.
What do you think about these developments? Interesting? Meh?
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Post by NexusOfLight on Jan 15, 2011 11:10:12 GMT -5
Interesting. I'd also like to see Pym and Janet interact again. See how that plays out with Jocasta too.
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Post by Killshot Caine on Jan 18, 2011 23:21:12 GMT -5
There's no point for Janet to come back.Marvel will just continue to do nothing with her or Hank.The guy becomes Scientist Supreme and then not to long after he's stuck babysitting a bunch of shitty rookie Avengers.
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Post by NexusOfLight on Jan 18, 2011 23:22:40 GMT -5
@cry Caine
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Post by Killshot Caine on Jan 18, 2011 23:40:40 GMT -5
I don't get it.
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Post by NexusOfLight on Jan 18, 2011 23:44:55 GMT -5
The song is where the whole "haters gonna hate" phrase originated from. I posted it because I think it's catchy, and because you're hatin' on Academy again. Guess a picture woulda been more to the point.
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Post by Killshot Caine on Jan 19, 2011 0:42:27 GMT -5
The song is where the whole "haters gonna hate" phrase originated from. I posted it because I think it's catchy, and because you're hatin' on Academy again. Guess a picture woulda been more to the point. I'm not hating really.I just feel like Marvel has their priorities mixed up.You don't give a character this prestigious position while he's the leader of an Avengers team and then make him train rookies..am I wrong about that? I understand why Tigra is a trainer but why Justice,Quicksilver,and Pym? Anything to not make them actual Avengers huh? I feel like Marvel is already doing the characters they have an injustice..why make more that you won't use? |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 19, 2011 3:41:13 GMT -5
Well, there are several actual reasons to justify Pym being a teacher; for one thing, he's not much of a fighter and has never really come to terms with his hero persona. Also, his shapeshifter replacement used the Initiative to his ends, and it's reasonable for Pym to counteract the influence of that guy. Finally, the Academy needed a big name to make it believeable. QS is justified because he plays the redemption arc, Justice had experience as a teacher in the Initiative -and knows Speedball-. Speedball is a punk. However, if Wolverine can be in several Avengers teams at once, I see no reason for sharing this characters with other Avenger books. There's no point for Janet to come back.Marvel will just continue to do nothing with her or Hank.The guy becomes Scientist Supreme and then not to long after he's stuck babysitting a bunch of shitty rookie Avengers. I rather have Janet back and get a few minis from her and Hank than adding filler characters such as Spider-Woman to an Avengers book. At least having Janet means something more Avengerish -RIP Scarlet Witch-. |
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Post by Killshot Caine on Jan 19, 2011 13:00:14 GMT -5
Well, there are several actual reasons to justify Pym being a teacher; for one thing, he's not much of a fighter and has never really come to terms with his hero persona. Also, his shapeshifter replacement used the Initiative to his ends, and it's reasonable for Pym to counteract the influence of that guy. Finally, the Academy needed a big name to make it believeable. QS is justified because he plays the redemption arc, Justice had experience as a teacher in the Initiative -and knows Speedball-. Speedball is a punk. However, if Wolverine can be in several Avengers teams at once, I see no reason for sharing this characters with other Avenger books. There's no point for Janet to come back.Marvel will just continue to do nothing with her or Hank.The guy becomes Scientist Supreme and then not to long after he's stuck babysitting a bunch of shitty rookie Avengers. I rather have Janet back and get a few minis from her and Hank than adding filler characters such as Spider-Woman to an Avengers book. At least having Janet means something more Avengerish -RIP Scarlet Witch-. I just feel like if those were my favorite characters (Hank,Janet & Justice are) I would want more for them.I don't feel like bringing Janet back serves a purpose.She might as well have died during Avengers Disassembled because Marvel failed to get any valid use out of her until her death.I'm passed tired of team books with randomly picked rosters and emphasis on 3 characters rather than the whole team. I feel like Avengers Academy will go the way of Young Avengers.They have an entire team of heroes on the back burner and only appearing in an Avengers' miniseries. Janet is supposed to be coming back in Avengers Academy so I see maybe a 3 issue span of focus on her and Hank and then their back out of the spotlight.I'm more intrigued to see what will happen with Korvac. |
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Post by DedmanWalkin on Jan 19, 2011 16:30:58 GMT -5
Wait, how did they bring Janet back? Was it ridiculous? I hope not but unfortunately it is highly likely. I hope she is a Skrull or something sinister.
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Post by Bentley on Jan 19, 2011 18:28:58 GMT -5
Pym has been trying to get her back from the dimension Thor sent her into, it was a part of the Mighty Avengers plot during Pym's tenure. And yeah, lately people can't write Janet to save their lives, she is one of the most classic heroine Marvel has  |
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Post by Killshot Caine on Jan 20, 2011 11:51:10 GMT -5
Pym has been trying to get her back from the dimension Thor sent her into, it was a part of the Mighty Avengers plot during Pym's tenure. And yeah, lately people can't write Janet to save their lives, she is one of the most classic heroine Marvel has I remember the issue where he first tried.Jocasta got all mad because he was dating her at the time.It's weird because Janet and Jocasta are basically the same person but Jocasta is a robot.Pym is seriously messed up LOL.Hopefully if they can get Janet back nothing happens to Jocasta as a result.I don't like how they take one character out of the picture for another.Like they did with Echo and Mockingbird.A joke was made about it but they have yet to say where Echo was or where she is now. |
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Post by DedmanWalkin on Jan 20, 2011 20:34:09 GMT -5
I don't like how comics bring people back from the dead. Unless it is for good reason in a well developed story arc, don't bring someone back. Why did they bring back Janet?
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Post by Power NeXus on Jan 21, 2011 0:24:42 GMT -5
I don't like how comics bring people back from the dead. Unless it is for good reason in a well developed story arc, don't bring someone back. Why did they bring back Janet? I feel the same way. Death doesn't mean anything anymore. It's just a gimmick to get people interested in a character again. When Cap and Batman died, I don't think a single person in the world thought for even a minute that it would stick. And, sure enough, it didn't. Even lesser known characters like Colossus and Cypher are constantly being brought back. Half of the time, the writers are too lazy to come up with an explanation that even makes sense. "OMG, Ord, how did you bring Colossus back? He was dead!" "Dead? Well, maybe to your pathetic Earth science." Heck, I don't even think Nightcrawler will stay dead for more than a couple years at the most. All I can hope is they find some kind of believable way to bring him back, as opposed to Colossus. |
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Post by DedmanWalkin on Jan 21, 2011 1:19:30 GMT -5
I would rather have Kurt stay dead then to have him come back. It totally destroys the heroic death he died if he can just come back. Same thing with Colossus, he died saving the entire mutant population. To bring him back from that ruins the effect of his death.
Having thought a bit more about it, I would be okay if they brought back characters who died in crappy ways but only if it is reasonable.
In my own comic book universe, I only plan on bringing back a couple characters and only because they are a part of planned story arcs. Everyone else who dies stays that way though some character's legacies will be continued on by others.
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Post by Killshot Caine on Jan 21, 2011 11:01:14 GMT -5
I don't like how comics bring people back from the dead. Unless it is for good reason in a well developed story arc, don't bring someone back. Why did they bring back Janet? I feel the same way. Death doesn't mean anything anymore. It's just a gimmick to get people interested in a character again. When Cap and Batman died, I don't think a single person in the world thought for even a minute that it would stick. And, sure enough, it didn't. Even lesser known characters like Colossus and Cypher are constantly being brought back. Half of the time, the writers are too lazy to come up with an explanation that even makes sense. "OMG, Ord, how did you bring Colossus back? He was dead!" "Dead? Well, maybe to your pathetic Earth science." Heck, I don't even think Nightcrawler will stay dead for more than a couple years at the most. All I can hope is they find some kind of believable way to bring him back, as opposed to Colossus. Actually I was one of the idiots that did.I thought Marvel was going to keep Cap dead permanently because I thought maybe at some point Marvel would be creative and leave a death as is.Especially after Fallen Son and the whole who's the New Cap think in Initiative and the Thor talking to his spirit.Then the disappointed me and brought him back.Those arcs were wasted. |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 22, 2011 9:12:59 GMT -5
Yep, the only actual hero staying dead is Captain Mar-vell, the rest were just filler characters.
(And Vision)
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Post by Erik-El on Feb 5, 2011 23:00:34 GMT -5
I was hoping Janet would have stayed dead. She was useless in the comics. Her death was felt by the characters so they had plenty they could do with that. But it was not really felt by the readers because she never did anything.
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Post by jakefury on Feb 5, 2011 23:32:17 GMT -5
My favorite memories of Janet were her leading the team back in the day against the Masters of Evil. for an 11 year old kid seeing the Avengers actually lose and in such fashion was pretty shocking.
Yeah, I'm old.
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