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Post by Lord Barbatos on Feb 10, 2011 11:02:05 GMT -5
I would like some help regarding the monitors (looking at soverign/phantom).
What's the overmind? Is dax novu/mandrakk the same monitor that fought antimonitor for eons? What was the probe/experiment? How did krona mess it? What's mandrakk's connection to darkseid(aside from them both being evil and ugly). Is antimonitor like the other monitors? Is the fourth world hidden from the monitors? What did metron do to restore nix uton(i remember him using the cube,which did something)? Why did mandrakk go from multiverse/spectre/radiant buster to getting owned by plain old light? and what is an average monitors power level?excluding countdown,and including countdown. What's the status of the monitors now? More questions will follow,when i will think about them . I personally understand a good deal about this ,but peoples opinions on this have been so different that i felt the need to make a thread .
Let the mindrape begin
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Post by Supreme Marvel on Feb 10, 2011 11:19:13 GMT -5
The overmind isn't his name. Grant named him Monitor-Mind. He was the entity that created the Monitors I presume. Possible a part of the Presence maybe. Don't quote me on it. If I recall, the Monitor that fought Anti-Monitor was killed by Harbinger in Crisis. Don't know this part. Could you clarify where this was from? Then, maybe I could help Mess up what? The reason why he was banished? Because he broke a rule by the then guardians, not to look at what started the universe. Which he did and saw the hand of creation. Not sure. In some way, yes. The Monitors are powered by positive matter and Anti-Monitor, Anti-Matter. Not sure, Phantom would be able to help there. I know the Bleed is hidden from the Monitors. It was a rubix cube, I think it unlocked his power. Not sure. The Monitors are gone, well the only one that is alive is Nix Uotan. If I got some of them wrong, or didn't know them then Phantom will probably know.
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Post by Lord Barbatos on Feb 10, 2011 11:26:56 GMT -5
The overmind isn't his name. Grant named him Monitor-Mind. He was the entity that created the Monitors I presume. Possible a part of the Presence maybe. Don't quote me on it. If I recall, the Monitor that fought Anti-Monitor was killed by Harbinger in Crisis. Don't know this part. Could you clarify where this was from? Then, maybe I could help Mess up what? The reason why he was banished? Because he broke a rule by the then guardians, not to look at what started the universe. Which he did and saw the hand of creation. Not sure. In some way, yes. The Monitors are powered by positive matter and Anti-Monitor, Anti-Matter. Not sure, Phantom would be able to help there. I know the Bleed is hidden from the Monitors. It was a rubix cube, I think it unlocked his power. Not sure. The Monitors are gone, well the only one that is alive is Nix Uotan. If I got some of them wrong, or didn't know them then Phantom will probably know. I have heard so many names for this guy,in addition to the names mentioned there is also overmonitor,prime monitor,tahoteh ETC. and he's BARELY had a handful of appearences. Yes what does the cube do? Were'nt monitor and antimonitor part of some experiment? and krona's peek in to beginning somehow mess it up? Mandrakk was referred to as the first of the monitors(IIRC),would'nt that make him the same guy who fought antimonitor? and how can the monitors feed on the bleed when they dont even know about it?(i'm pretty sure they do).
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Post by Lord Barbatos on Feb 10, 2011 11:30:12 GMT -5
I have included a question on power levels in my orignal post.
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Post by cm24 on Feb 10, 2011 11:35:42 GMT -5
In COIE Darkseid was capable of using all the energies of Apokolips to mask its presence from the Anti-Monitor. Don't really know about the Monitors. When you say plain old light, you mean the spear created by the lanterns? Metron completed a rubix cube in a move less than the current record and this somehow unlocked his power.
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Post by Lord Barbatos on Feb 10, 2011 11:42:17 GMT -5
So in DC solving some puzzle makes you GOD. i really feel sorry for the riddler(so close ,but still so far)LOL. and when i say light,i mean solar energy,and that spear was actually pretty low on the cosmic scale compared to what mandrakk was doing.
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Post by cm24 on Feb 10, 2011 11:42:36 GMT -5
Now you will make me read it again lol
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Post by cm24 on Feb 10, 2011 11:49:30 GMT -5
I reread the part about Nix Uotan. Metron helped him remember his past life and when he remembered those things, his powers came back.
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Post by Supreme Marvel on Feb 10, 2011 11:51:44 GMT -5
I'll link you to an interview by Newsrama and Grant. Part 1. Part 2. That might clarify some more things you were going to ask. I think it released Nix's true form. Note: Right after them scans are the scans of the Monitor and Anit-Monitor being born.
I'm not sure about that. If he was am sure Phantom can answer it. I'll have to read Final Crisis again to explain it. Phantom has a great memory, he'll know.
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Post by cm24 on Feb 10, 2011 11:56:25 GMT -5
As for Mandrakk being wounded by solar radiation, don't forget that he is some kind of vampiric creature although the only time I saw him getting hurt by it was when the Supermen of the Multiverse used their heat visions on him. As for the difference in the power level maybe in his fight with the Thought Robot, he lost a lot of his power.
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Post by Lord Barbatos on Feb 10, 2011 12:11:22 GMT -5
The scans imply that monitor and antimonitor were just accidents,buth superman/beyond implies that the accidents just complicated already existing things. I have'nt read COIE, so maybe that's why i'm being confused. though i have seen scans of the fights.
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Post by cm24 on Feb 10, 2011 12:16:10 GMT -5
Don't forget that COIE happened a lot earlier with a different continuity.
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Post by Lord Barbatos on Feb 10, 2011 12:20:33 GMT -5
Don't forget that COIE happened a lot earlier with a different continuity. I understand that,but they're apparantely supposed to fit together,and i'd simply like to know how?
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Feb 10, 2011 12:22:59 GMT -5
i'd simply like to know how? simple, the events of COIE reaaranged the entire time/space/dimensional stream into a new continuity where one series of events superseded all the others (the one earth after COIE)
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Post by cm24 on Feb 10, 2011 12:26:07 GMT -5
Well I read it again and this is what I understood. The Monitor sends the probe to examine life, the probe becomes the Monitor and the Anti-Monitor we saw in COIE and the race of the Monitors that we saw later comes from the the Monitor that sent the probe. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong.
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Post by Lord Barbatos on Feb 10, 2011 12:26:22 GMT -5
i'd simply like to know how? simple, the events of COIE reaaranged the entire time/space/dimensional stream into a new continuity where one series of events superseded all the others (the one earth after COIE) I know that LOL.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Feb 10, 2011 12:27:51 GMT -5
Well there you go, squeeze in different time streams with events that don't work and aren't linked by actual cause and effect, guess what happens, a big messy paradox.
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Post by Lord Barbatos on Feb 10, 2011 12:32:29 GMT -5
Well I read it again and this is what I understood. The Monitor sends the probe to examine life, the probe becomes the Monitor and the Anti-Monitor we saw in COIE and the race of the Monitors that we saw later comes from the the Monitor that sent the probe. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong. That's better,so what exactly did the probe look like?
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Post by cm24 on Feb 10, 2011 12:35:32 GMT -5
I am probably wrong here. I don't think he was ever shown.
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Post by Lord Barbatos on Feb 10, 2011 12:37:27 GMT -5
OK,i'll just assume he was another monitor.
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