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Post by Crom-Cruach on Mar 25, 2011 12:21:54 GMT -5
Crom- what is so off putting and inaccurate to you about the trailer? I was refering to Ultimate Cap statement about France in the scan |
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Post by Erik-El on Mar 25, 2011 12:24:01 GMT -5
Crom- what is so off putting and inaccurate to you about the trailer? I was refering to Ultimate Cap statement about France in the scan No. That kind of bigotry is completely accurate to a 1940s American soldier. He hates the English too. |
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Mar 25, 2011 12:28:24 GMT -5
No. That kind of bigotry is completely accurate to a 1940s American soldier. He hates the English too. you misunderstand my statement, whether it is in-character accurate or not is irrelevant to why I said it was inaccurate (thought that could be debated), I was referring to a real world level (I mean whether the French really were pussies, etc.) |
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Post by Admin on Mar 25, 2011 12:31:01 GMT -5
Ehhhh, Millar's Cap wasn't really a biggot, IMHO. He(Millar) was just playing off a popular stereotype and thought he'd get some laughs. I mean, Cap was dating Jan, an asian  Aaron's Cap on the other hand, is a completely blinded, patriotic nut-job. "I'm in France? OH NOOOO!" "Does anyone speak AMERICAN?" "Hey British people, go fix your teeth." |
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Mar 25, 2011 12:33:46 GMT -5
The ultimates 1 and 2 was awesome I have the hardcover copies. Ultimate Cap beating Hank Pym was one of the most glorious moments ever.
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Post by Admin on Mar 25, 2011 12:36:15 GMT -5
The ultimates 1 and 2 was awesome I have the hardcover copies. Ultimate Cap beating Hank Pym was one of the most glorious moments ever. I do too  Ultimates 1 & 2 are easily in my "Top 10 must read" recommendations. It's such a shame the quality went downhill so fast after that. Ultimates 3 and Ultimatium were absolute train wrecks. |
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Mar 25, 2011 12:39:17 GMT -5
Ultimates 1 & 2 are easily in my "Top 10 must read" recommendations. It's such a shame the quality went downhill so fast after that. Ultimates 3 and Ultimatium were absolute train wrecks. There are many reasons I dropped Marvel, this was one of them. After such an awesome start with Ultimates 1, Ultimates 2, Ultimate Spider-Man, etc. How could marvel do this to their readers? Ultimates 3? WTF!?  Ultimatum? Excuse while I vomit. |
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Post by Erik-El on Mar 25, 2011 12:40:42 GMT -5
Ehhhh, Millar's Cap wasn't really a biggot, IMHO. He(Millar) was just playing off a popular stereotype and thought he'd get some laughs. I mean, Cap was dating Jan, an asian Aaron's Cap on the other hand, is a completely blinded, patriotic nut-job. "I'm in France? OH NOOOO!" "Does anyone speak AMERICAN?" "Hey British people, go fix your teeth." I never meant to imply Ultimate Captain America is racist. I do not think he is at all actually. But he says bigoted things due to the times he grew up in. Heavy emphasis on patriotism, angry, and he thinks other countries are not as good as his. As far as I know, Ultimate Captain America has never said a racist thing in any of the comics he has been in. I even got the impression that he is very equal minded on anyone as long as they are American. |
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Post by Admin on Mar 25, 2011 12:42:27 GMT -5
Hopefully they (basically everyone involved in the creative aspect of those stories) were modest enough to read reviews to realize just how craptacular the work was. Seriously, it was horrific in comparison.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Mar 25, 2011 12:44:58 GMT -5
They didn't learn anything. Look where marvel is now  |
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Post by Admin on Mar 25, 2011 12:45:23 GMT -5
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Post by Erik-El on Mar 25, 2011 12:51:19 GMT -5
Some of Ultimate Captain America's views are what I think is kind of interesting about him. It emphasizes that he is clearly out of his time.
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Post by Admin on Mar 25, 2011 13:03:26 GMT -5
Some of Ultimate Captain America's views are what I think is kind of interesting about him. It emphasizes that he is clearly out of his time. I think his relationship with Jan really delivered on showcasing that. Since then, I think it's fair to say he's adjusted. The dude went from looking down on public cursing to cursing like a pissed off fanboy, lol. |
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Post by ckal on Mar 25, 2011 13:05:52 GMT -5
You wouldnt know wince you stopped reading marvel, but Marvel is still putting out some good things.
Topic derailment commence
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Post by Erik-El on Mar 25, 2011 13:06:07 GMT -5
Some of Ultimate Captain America's views are what I think is kind of interesting about him. It emphasizes that he is clearly out of his time. I think his relationship with Jan really delivered on showcasing that. Since then, I think it's fair to say he's adjusted. The dude went from looking down on public cursing to cursing like a pissed off fanboy, lol. Lol he always cursed. He just does not want to hear it in public because of those damned 40s public standards. Back in his time, people pretended to have the perfect family in public even when home life was anything but. |
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Post by Admin on Mar 25, 2011 13:12:30 GMT -5
I think his relationship with Jan really delivered on showcasing that. Since then, I think it's fair to say he's adjusted. The dude went from looking down on public cursing to cursing like a pissed off fanboy, lol. Lol he always cursed. He just does not want to hear it in public because of those damned 40s public standards. Back in his time, people pretended to have the perfect family in public even when home life was anything but. I know, but he's since become a lot more moderized, which is why I think he's adjusted by now to the era. And I thought that's how they still acted in Arizona? *bitten by rattle snake* "Mother darn it!" |
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Post by Erik-El on Mar 25, 2011 13:22:07 GMT -5
Lol he always cursed. He just does not want to hear it in public because of those damned 40s public standards. Back in his time, people pretended to have the perfect family in public even when home life was anything but. I know, but he's since become a lot more moderized, which is why I think he's adjusted by now to the era. And I thought that's how they still acted in Arizona? *bitten by rattle snake* "Mother darn it!" You might be right on the adjustment issue. He can catch up on tech and the times, but I think changing views would be a little more difficult. Recent issues seem to counter the idea that he has adjusted anyway. He is a super genius and can learn things like a snap but stubborn angry guys have a hard time changing their points of view. |
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Post by Erik-El on Mar 25, 2011 13:23:44 GMT -5
Oh we love our pretend swears in Utah much more than Arizona.
"You just crashed into my flippin' car! I will see you in H-E-Double hockey sticks you shiznit smelling mother flipper!"
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Post by Admin on Mar 25, 2011 13:24:43 GMT -5
Completely agree with you on that, but I think we can agree that Aaron's version of Ultimate Cap has been far more narrow-minded than Millar's. I haven't read the LATEST Millar stuff, so I can't remark on how he acts there  |
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Post by Power NeXus on Mar 25, 2011 15:30:55 GMT -5
Oh we love our pretend swears in Utah much more than Arizona. "You just crashed into my flippin' car! I will see you in H-E-Double hockey sticks you shiznit smelling mother flipper!" Hey now. You watch that attitude son. By an' by, de Lord Almighty done gonna smack you a good one iff'n you keep talking like that. |
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