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Post by Silver on Oct 26, 2010 12:22:12 GMT -5
Misconception: Darth Maul is a horrible lightsaber duelist. THANK YOU!!! |
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Post by Decoy Elite on Oct 26, 2010 12:23:48 GMT -5
Misconception: Darth Maul is a horrible lightsaber duelist. THANK YOU!!! Lol, you already know my stance on this bullshit. (Freakin' kills a Jedi master and still no respect.) |
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Post by Silver on Oct 26, 2010 12:25:55 GMT -5
Lol, you already know my stance on this bullshit. (Freakin' kills a Jedi master and still no respect.) I hear you. Obi-Wan only killed him because Maul was overconfident. Technically speaking, he defeated Obi-Wan too; Kenobi simply got a cheap shot. Maul may not be the best duelist there is, but he is seriously underrated. |
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Oct 26, 2010 12:27:26 GMT -5
The fact that he has all the personality of a malicious wheel may have something to do with it.
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Post by Silver on Oct 26, 2010 12:29:54 GMT -5
The fact that he has all the personality of a malicious wheel may have something to do with it. Ah, come on. How much personality do you expect a hunter/killer pawn to have anyway? He was cheap shotted. Maul is not my favorite Sith and is not the best duelist (far from it, truth be told), but he is much more formidable than people give him credit for. |
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Oct 26, 2010 12:52:32 GMT -5
Ah, come on. How much personality do you expect a hunter/killer pawn to have anyway? He was cheap shotted. Maul is not my favorite Sith and is not the best duelist (far from it, truth be told), but he is much more formidable than people give him credit for. General Grievous pulled it off pretty well in the Clone Wars cartoon. So did Darth Vader in the first two movies (Because let's face it, he's not known for his family ties, he's known for his sheer presence). Being a hunter/killer pawn doesn't rob you of the chance for personality, It adds to it. Unfortunately, Maul was written solely to be a deux ex machina for the jedis to have an awesome fight sequence against, and was given absolutely no characterization along the way. They could have replaced him with anything, anything, a superdroid, an army of clones, a ghost of a sith past, an evil virus, and it would in no way damage the film. He was basically worthless as far memorability goes. Which brings me to my original point. People associate great feats with memorable people more readily. This is the reason Doom always wins, no matter the battle circumstances, despite the fact that he has consistently been handed his ass on a silver platter for at least a decade. Doom is a walking moment of awesome, and people think he can do anything. But if you take a lame character (Which Darth Plot Device arguably is), people are far more likely to think "pfff, what can he do?" than approach the problem critically. Thus giving birth to the misconception. |
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Post by Matezoide on Oct 26, 2010 13:03:23 GMT -5
every fight can be only won through death
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Post by Silver on Oct 26, 2010 13:03:25 GMT -5
General Grievous pulled it off pretty well in the Clone Wars cartoon. So did Darth Vader in the first two movies (Because let's face it, he's not known for his family ties, he's known for his sheer presence). Being a hunter/killer pawn doesn't rob you of the chance for personality, It adds to it. Unfortunately, Maul was written solely to be a deux ex machina for the jedis to have an awesome fight sequence against, and was given absolutely no characterization along the way. They could have replaced him with anything, anything, a superdroid, an army of clones, a ghost of a sith past, an evil virus, and it would in no way damage the film. He was basically worthless as far memorability goes. Which brings me to my original point. People associate great feats with memorable people more readily. This is the reason Doom always wins, no matter the battle circumstances, despite the fact that he has consistently been handed his ass on a silver platter for at least a decade. Doom is a walking moment of awesome, and people think he can do anything. But if you take a lame character (Which Darth Plot Device arguably is), people are far more likely to think "pfff, what can he do?" than approach the problem critically. Thus giving birth to the misconception. I am not disagreeing with your assessment, necessarily, but to be fair, that applies to G-Canon Star Wars Maul much more accurately than it does EU Maul. EU Maul still did not have too much character, but there was more to him than in the movies. Now therein lies the problem, I guess, since fewer people read Star Wars comics/novels than do watch the movies. |
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Post by Decoy Elite on Oct 26, 2010 13:05:38 GMT -5
every fight can be only won through death BFR is never an option.  |
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Oct 26, 2010 13:12:40 GMT -5
I am not disagreeing with your assessment, necessarily, but to be fair, that applies to G-Canon Star Wars Maul much more accurately than it does EU Maul. EU Maul still did not have too much character, but there was more to him than in the movies. Now therein lies the problem, I guess, since fewer people read Star Wars comics/novels than do watch the movies. Yeah. Like many people, I haven't read any of SW books, so I can't speak about the development he was given there. But like you said, The vast majority of people still knows Maul only from the movies, and have only those to base their misconceptions about. Though that brings us to another issue of why the hell Is George Lucas not giving his characters development himself, instead of relying on a small army of writers to fill in the gaping chasms of plot he leaves in his wake? |
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Post by Decoy Elite on Oct 26, 2010 13:13:50 GMT -5
Darths and Droids did a better job at adding character development than Lucas.
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Post by Silver on Oct 26, 2010 13:17:20 GMT -5
Yeah. Like many people, I haven't read any of SW books, so I can't speak about the development he was given there. But like you said, The vast majority of people still knows Maul only from the movies, and have only those to base their misconceptions about. Though that brings us to another issue of why the hell Is George Lucas not giving his characters development himself, instead of relying on a small army of writers to fill in the gaping chasms of plot he leaves in his wake? In G-Canon Star Wars, he was never meant to be anything more than one of Sidious's many pawns. So I assume, for sake of time constraints in the movie and priorities on other characters, they just seconded Maul to the others. If he only lasts for one movie, in some ways, I can understand that. I do understand your point though. |
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Oct 26, 2010 13:28:23 GMT -5
That only makes it worse because it means they intentionally created a character not to have any personality.  |
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Post by Silver on Oct 26, 2010 14:04:55 GMT -5
Phantom Stargrave: Fair enough. To be honest though, if anyone is Darth Plot Device, it would be Sidious. He may not be on Doom's level when it comes to being a walking plot device whenever a crisis is needed for a story, but he is and has made several plot devices, particularly in the EU. In fact, when it comes to prep, I know of no one in Star Wars canon who supersedes him. (Star Wars characters need to start gaining recognition for their skill with prep.)
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Post by greenlantern555 on Oct 26, 2010 14:08:17 GMT -5
Misconseption: Hal thinks he is the greatest Green Lantern...
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Post by Silver on Oct 26, 2010 14:20:21 GMT -5
Misconseption: Hal thinks he is the greatest Green Lantern... Misconception: BatMan thinks he can beat anyone.  |
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Post by greenlantern555 on Oct 26, 2010 14:21:48 GMT -5
Misconseption: Hal thinks he is the greatest Green Lantern... Misconception: BatMan thinks he can beat anyone. Misconseption: Superman thinks he is God. |
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Post by Gender on Oct 27, 2010 0:18:59 GMT -5
Misconceptions: Dr Manhattan can see the future and never lose! - Yes his perception of time is interesting, shame he can't change what he says and admits to being a puppet to time like the rest of us. Thanos has no feats and Ka-zar can beat him. - For a featless wimp on the battle forums the guy has a damn impressive fighting track record outside his clones. Dragon Ball Z characters are as durable as a planet and can launch ki blasts that destory Solar Systems a million times over. -Yeah Sure, that's why Cell's self destruct in second form that barely destroyed King Kai's house sized planet nearly vaporized Goku, why everytime someone's about to bust the planet they freak out, or why Gohan, Piccolo, Trunks and Goten go poof when Earth is destroyed. Thats why just punching each other they are killing one another. As for "Millions of times more powerful than planet busting" Call me when Someone in the series actually destroys more than a planet outside filler. Saiyan's don't need to breathe, GOKU went to the moon in Dragon Ball! Vegeta and Nappa and Goku went in space for a glorious 5 seconds - Then how the !@#$ are they yelling for half an hour? Does air just magically appear in those lungs? That's why Frieza was gloating at Goku when Namek was going to explode how Goku was going to die. Okay I'm done with the DBZ stupidty, but I could honestly fill a thread with the Bullshit I've read from posters. Heck there should be a disrespect thread dedicated to pointing out this crap. Superman can Sundip and turn into Superman golden and into a reality warper - My god how many times did I hear defender try to pull this rediculous claim out of his !@# Kratos beat the GOW olypian pantheon, HE CAN BEAT ANY GOD! - Thor would flatten him like a pancake, just falling down from mount Olympus killed him, again. I'll try to think of more later. -Bane can lift 5000 tons, with, or without venom. Come on Morph if you do the math behind it Banes just that awsome. Attachments:
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Oct 27, 2010 0:25:51 GMT -5
Kratos beat the GOW olypian pantheon, HE CAN BEAT ANY GOD! - Thor would flatten him like a pancake, just falling down from mount Olympus killed him, again. I'll try to think of more later. The GOW Olympian pantheon were wimps, that is all Misconception: DC gods are weaker then Marvel Gods |
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Post by Decoy Elite on Oct 27, 2010 0:27:04 GMT -5
Misconception(that I saw a few times): Characters that have the same name are the same person.
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