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Post by ckal on Apr 14, 2011 14:03:22 GMT -5
Katz- alright you have made a good point. But lets forget sbiut danny as dd. Have matt's batons been cut before? If they have then I would say still assume they could be cut. Also, if herc's sword had the ability to cut through anything (not sure if it does or not) then I would still question the change. But i see your reasoning in this situation. Fine by me, just sharing a thought.
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Post by Morpheus on Apr 14, 2011 14:04:50 GMT -5
He's not showing anything at all, at least not in that page. Daredevil would have pulled an acrobatic move in order to dodge, Herc just stands there hoping the other guy will miss him. That's the problem. There's no double standard going on here. Just calling it like I see it. Much like I called BS when a depowered Silver Surfer was beating up multiple trained soldiers in another of Pak's series.
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Post by Erik-El on Apr 14, 2011 14:04:51 GMT -5
Yeah he does still have some measure of super strength. Enough to hold up a steel beam over his head with effort. I think it is safe to assume his other abilities are equally above human still.
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Post by Erik-El on Apr 14, 2011 14:07:07 GMT -5
He's not showing anything at all, at least not in that page. Daredevil would have pulled an acrobatic move in order to dodge, Herc just stands there hoping the other guy will miss him. That's the problem. There's no double standard going on here. Just calling it like I see it. Much like I called BS when a depowered Silver Surfer was beating up multiple trained soldiers in another of Pak's series. He is clearly showing movement. Just look at his cloak. You do not get a cloak to look like that in a windless subway train unless you are in movement. |
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Post by Morpheus on Apr 14, 2011 14:10:49 GMT -5
He's not showing anything at all, at least not in that page. Daredevil would have pulled an acrobatic move in order to dodge, Herc just stands there hoping the other guy will miss him. That's the problem. There's no double standard going on here. Just calling it like I see it. Much like I called BS when a depowered Silver Surfer was beating up multiple trained soldiers in another of Pak's series. He is clearly showing movement. Just look at his cloak. You do not get a cloak to look like that in a windless subway train unless you are in movement. |
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Post by Admin on Apr 14, 2011 14:13:23 GMT -5
Katz- alright you have made a good point. But lets forget sbiut danny as dd. Have matt's batons been cut before? If they have then I would say still assume they could be cut. Also, if herc's sword had the ability to cut through anything (not sure if it does or not) then I would still question the change. But i see your reasoning in this situation. Fine by me, just sharing a thought. NO SHARING THOUGHTS ON THIS FORUM! I've read a fair amount of DD's appearances and I've never seen the baton flat-out destroyed. We've seen it deflect bullets numerous times, but other times I've seen something as weak as bullet's tooth jam into it (barely, but odd it would do that instead of breaking). I think it's fair to assume his baton can deflect a standard sword, but this was my first encounter with Herc's sword (don't take that out of context...), so I wasn't sure if, like the arrows, it has some mystical nature that allows it to rip through. |
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Post by Erik-El on Apr 14, 2011 14:17:18 GMT -5
He is clearly showing movement. Just look at his cloak. You do not get a cloak to look like that in a windless subway train unless you are in movement. Why though? When you have some spastic shooter, accuracy goes down the toilet. Spider-Man's automatically contorts to whatever position needed to dodge bullets. It is not impossible to believe that Herc could move into a position where he would be hit the least amount in a compressed amount of time. |
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Post by Admin on Apr 14, 2011 14:18:18 GMT -5
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Post by Morpheus on Apr 14, 2011 14:19:03 GMT -5
Least amount, yes, but he only got hit by one while a flurry of bullets went flying past him by inches from multiple angles.
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Post by Morpheus on Apr 14, 2011 14:22:01 GMT -5
Yo, Pak. For future reference, the Hobgoblin's scream isn't concussive force. You can't "dodge it".
Want me to stop complaining? Someone should start researching the characters he's writing.
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Post by Erik-El on Apr 14, 2011 14:22:05 GMT -5
Least amount, yes, but he only got hit by one while a flurry of bullets went flying past him by inches from multiple angles. That is because the shooter was shooting like an idiot. It happens. Shooting automatics accurately is hard enough as it is without holding down the trigger and waving the gun around like a twirling baton. |
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Post by Morpheus on Apr 14, 2011 14:23:39 GMT -5
Which takes us back to suspension of disbelief.
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Post by Erik-El on Apr 14, 2011 14:25:14 GMT -5
Which takes us back to suspension of disbelief. Not really. Fear of dying does that to people, especially amateurs with no firearms or combat training. |
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Post by Admin on Apr 14, 2011 14:26:28 GMT -5
Erik, I agree with most of your points, but Herc is also insanely lucky he was only tagged once, IMHO.
-Agreed the shooter wasn't accurate. The guy also seemed scared, yelling they need help before unloading the clip. The muzzle flash also shows he's just spraying.
...But on the flip side.
-The distance and area for cover/dodging is minimal, and I'd say minimal is a generous way to put it. This guy literally took 40+ shots at a large man within relatively close proximity and no where for him to effectively dodge. Those shots were all before Herc fired one arrow back at him. And while the shooter was clearly a poor marksman, his shots weren't that far off, since we can see the impact points being all around Herc. That's an entire extended clip, LOL.
So I agree with your points, but after really reviewing this I chalk it up to A LOT of luck that he wasn't tagged more than once.
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Post by Morpheus on Apr 14, 2011 14:28:06 GMT -5
Who happen to miss every single portion of Herc's body by an inch.
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Post by Admin on Apr 14, 2011 14:28:47 GMT -5
Yo, Pak. For future reference, the Hobgoblin's scream isn't concussive force. You can't "dodge it".
Want me to stop complaining? Someone should start researching the characters he's writing. LOL. I thought the same thing, especially since it's pretty much a radial attack in his recent ASM material...But I haven't read all of Phil's encounters so I wasn't sure if he could actually concentrate it into a stream like he did there. So I went "-_-" but at the same time realized I'm far from an expert on the character. |
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Post by Admiral Rodgers on Apr 14, 2011 14:33:26 GMT -5
ckalYeah i know , i said i don't have the issue yet ,i was just giving some recalled info ...sorry :S
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Post by Morpheus on Apr 14, 2011 14:35:07 GMT -5
Yo, Pak. For future reference, the Hobgoblin's scream isn't concussive force. You can't "dodge it".
Want me to stop complaining? Someone should start researching the characters he's writing. LOL. I thought the same thing, especially since it's pretty much a radial attack in his recent ASM material...But I haven't read all of Phil's encounters so I wasn't sure if he could actually concentrate it into a stream like he did there. So I went "-_-" but at the same time realized I'm far from an expert on the character. |
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Post by Erik-El on Apr 14, 2011 14:38:14 GMT -5
@k4tz:
Bullets go really fast in those types of guns. Allowing myself to speculate on what happened in that scene and drawing on my CS days, it looks to me like he tried to follow Herc's movement and shot in a circular motion when Herc stopped in the middle. That is not just my imagination running away with me, it really looks that way. If that is the case, I think it is amazing he hit Herc at all.
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Post by Erik-El on Apr 14, 2011 14:39:12 GMT -5
Need I remind you of my epic CS story?
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