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Post by Crom-Cruach on Apr 19, 2011 18:05:05 GMT -5
 You monsters! After raping stargate with Universe you do this to us, you monsters... |
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Post by chyrondave on Apr 20, 2011 18:27:38 GMT -5
I can't say I was a huge fan of the Stargate series. I really only watched SG-1 sporaticly at best, and a few Atlantis shows (sorry SGU). But it is sad to see it end. I would not say for good, because Hollywood is always keen on revisiting a good idea.
And, technically, Stargate can only claim to be the longest running American Sci-Fi series. Doctor Who ran on the BBC for almost 2 decades (that's not even including the new seasons).
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Post by Gender on Apr 20, 2011 20:39:16 GMT -5
You know they really don't have anyone to blame but themselves. I love Stargate, but how the Cancellation of Atlantis was handled felt like a kick to the balls to the fans, especially all the !@#$ that was pulled after. I can't help but laugh a little though that Universe actually killed the franchise for now. Wright got his love from the critics at least, thats all he really wanted. You monsters! After raping stargate with Universe you do this to us, you monsters... Come on, they spent twice as much on Universe, therefore it must be twice as good! My post on vine covered my Rage: !@#$ Brad Wright for carelessly running his mouth. Just because it has "Stargate" infront of it fans will watch. Like !@#$ing sheep. To insult the fanbase, right after dismantling SG-1 and SGA for a series that was promptly called Battlestargate. They dug the knife deeper when we were promised expanded box sets and straight to DVD films to milk the fans that never even came. *Rant RANT!* Ahem, I did give SGU a shot and still don't care about the vast majority of the characters, that are just a big drama of stupidity that make our prized military look like a joke. Some of those people should not have ever gone off world from Earth, muchless a super project. That many unstable individuals? Nuts. What do you say fans? "
I'm not allowed to watch SGU, as I am too old. My money is
also too old, and, so, will avoid it, as well.
My 17 year old niece isn't going to watch it either, as it
"looks moronic," and wishes there were more SGA to come
(I got her hooked last year).
So I'll be over there, in my 44-year-old decrepitude [...]
making other plans for my disposable income [17].
I still don't get the attitude of, "We're cancelling a sturdy
performing, greatly loved (see con attendance and dvd sales)
in-production show that's getting its best ratings and critical
reviews EVER, in order to start up a new project at great
expense; one for which we'll have to build all new sets and
do a LOT of advertising."
Why would you jump off a smoothly rolling train to try and
build a whole new set of tracks? And then, why make it
harder by calling all your customers names? I truly do not
understand them. Even if they have nothing but disdain for
their customers, most businessmen are savvy enough to not
broadcast that fact repeatedly.
I'm with you, I hope the new show crashes and burns. Not just
because of their attitude, but because it genuinely looks awful.
I didn't watch 90210 when it was set in California, I'm not gonna
watch it in space, either [18
community.livejournal.com/swirlygate/6765.html" Nice read if you guys want to get why the Stargate fanbase might have been a little peeved. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I really wish I could be the sheep Wright thought I was, but I just couldn't stick to Universe and care. |
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Apr 21, 2011 16:24:38 GMT -5
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Post by Gender on Apr 22, 2011 2:30:22 GMT -5
It wasn't that bad. My post that I dug up a the time had me raging at the time at Universe bull from Wright. Didn't help to learn they already took apart the Atlantis sets for additional sets for Universe.( bottles rage) Still it's funny Universe put the franchise to sleep for now(Outside I assume whatever novels might be in the works). Never alienate your loyal fanbase for the critics to love you. |
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Apr 22, 2011 3:47:52 GMT -5
Universe didn't put Stargate to sleep. SyFy (Ugh, that name) and MGM did, when they decided not to put any more Sg1 and Atlantis movies into production (They had, like, five of them planned). That's when everything started to go downhill. Universe itself wasn't a loser. It actually had pretty good ratings in the first season, and it was SyFy's star show at the time. But in the second season SyFy had it moved to a much more unfavorable time slot in order to make room for wrestling (  ) and it's ratings plummeted. I have no doubt that Universe (and Stargate) would have continued had the execs just given them some love. Also, the novels have been canceled too. It's in the OP. |
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Post by Gender on Apr 22, 2011 17:04:13 GMT -5
Universe didn't put Stargate to sleep. SyFy (Ugh, that name) and MGM did, when they decided not to put any more Sg1 and Atlantis movies into production (They had, like, five of them planned). That's when everything started to go downhill. Universe itself wasn't a loser. It actually had pretty good ratings in the first season, and it was SyFy's star show at the time. But in the second season SyFy had it moved to a much more unfavorable time slot in order to make room for wrestling ( ) and it's ratings plummeted. I have no doubt that Universe (and Stargate) would have continued had the execs just given them some love. Also, the novels have been canceled too. It's in the OP. Syfy pulled it due to low ratings of Universe, they had a pretty big jump down in viewership in season one. You can certainly blame MGM for not pulling through for the movies, but if I recall that was really up to Wright( could be wrong, I do know it was up to the Producers to keep SGA running). Last season of Atlantis was beating them out in ratings. My theory goes to: Stargate was something families could watch, Universe is not with the characters !@#$ing eachother every other episode. Not to mention the first part of the season was slow, stone back and fourth, establish the characters, snooze.People want to enjoy what they are watching, not "Holy crap this show is such downer". Etc, fans have a lot of opinions why it failed. Sad to hear they pulled the novels too. !@#$ MGM. |
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Apr 23, 2011 20:36:38 GMT -5
It wasn't that bad. yes, yes it was. |
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Apr 25, 2011 17:35:52 GMT -5
Syfy pulled it due to low ratings of Universe, they had a pretty big jump down in viewership in season one. You can certainly blame MGM for not pulling through for the movies, but if I recall that was really up to Wright( could be wrong, I do know it was up to the Producers to keep SGA running). Last season of Atlantis was beating them out in ratings. My theory goes to: Stargate was something families could watch, Universe is not with the characters !@#$ing eachother every other episode. Not to mention the first part of the season was slow, stone back and fourth, establish the characters, snooze.People want to enjoy what they are watching, not "Holy crap this show is such downer". Etc, fans have a lot of opinions why it failed. Sad to hear they pulled the novels too. !@#$ MGM. Universe had god ratings in the first season. Sure, they were dropping mildly, but it wasn't until they started shuffling the schedule that it took a plunge. I think it was actually better than Atlantis in the first season. I'd have to check. This article explains why it was cancelled rather nicely.Enjoying is a very broad term. I've certainly enjoyed it. I know of a lot of other people who enjoyed it too. Was the first part of season 1 slow? Yeah, it pretty much was. It took up later on though. Was it a downer? Yeah, sometimes. Was it dark? Yes, it was. Is this a bad thing? No. It means nothing about the show actual quality (And the overall quality really wasn't bad). It just means it was different. And that, I think is what turned most people away. They were expecting another SG-1 clone like Atlantis was, and when they got something that didn't fit that profile, they cried havoc instead of giving it a fair chance. Which is really a shame IMO, because it could have been a keeper. |
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Post by Gender on Apr 25, 2011 18:32:06 GMT -5
Universe had god ratings in the first season. Sure, they were dropping mildly, but it wasn't until they started shuffling the schedule that it took a plunge. I think it was actually better than Atlantis in the first season. I'd have to check. This article explains why it was cancelled rather nicely.Enjoying is a very broad term. I've certainly enjoyed it. I know of a lot of other people who enjoyed it too. Was the first part of season 1 slow? Yeah, it pretty much was. It took up later on though. Was it a downer? Yeah, sometimes. Was it dark? Yes, it was. Is this a bad thing? No. It means nothing about the show actual quality (And the overall quality really wasn't bad). It just means it was different. And that, I think is what turned most people away. They were expecting another SG-1 clone like Atlantis was, and when they got something that didn't fit that profile, they cried havoc instead of giving it a fair chance. Which is really a shame IMO, because it could have been a keeper. Didn't exactly blow Atlantis' first episode views out of the water(4.2 million?). But they really lost a good chunk(like a third of it) of the audience fast in the first season( which had me rolling my eyes when Merlin was beating them out, seems like the Stargate audience hopped ship) <Includes image on bottom of post> I do remember reading that article though way back, but I'm not going to completely blame a switch from Friday to Tuesday for killing them in viewership, Wright remains at the top my list as for why it died and season one itself ended weaker than Atlantis' last season for twice the price Atlantis cost. I wouldn't say sometimes, 80% of the time they were at eachothers throats, we watched poor Eli /Math Boy! suffer at girl next door syndrome where soldier boy that was making love to everyone else(apparently also having a kid) get the girl, Rush and Adama, *cough* I mean Colonel Young at eachothers throats(With Young seemingly unable to even control his own soldiers) in general a mess of a cast complaining, all grabbing for power, sometimes bordering incompetence and so on each dark day onboard destiny. =P I don't have a problem with dark settings, plot or anything like that, but unless your going to have a character like Rodney there to bring some light at the end of the tunnel and take some breaks outside cheesy comedy / movie references from Math Boy! it's going to be just a trip stuck in the tunnel. I would hope they had some decent quality with the price tag and the actual cast which wasn't bad(my complaints lie with the characters, not the acting, for the most part), but pretty sets isn't going to make the casual audience stick, there wasn't much action first season, these soldiers shouldn't have even been stationed off world, etc. I got my family hooked to Atlantis after it was cancelled and they were pretty bummed out with Universe and Atlantis's cancellation(Which is another way you alienate the audience by not handling this REMOTELY well). We could go on, was Destiny complete trash every episode? No, but it was slow paced, had my head spinning seeing Oneil not in character, alienated a good chunk of it's family viewers with the constant banging / lesbian romance / stoning back and forth episodes in the first season, etc. MUST KEEP MY SGU HATE INSIDE!!!! I really don't want to rag on it anymore so I'll stick with that there. Edit: Where did you get that Avatar because it looks like a kickass game potentially? Attachments:
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Post by Akoot on May 7, 2011 20:53:15 GMT -5
Stargate fans can ultimately only blame themselves for the cancellation; the audience for Universe was split by lots of hard core Atlantis fans totally boycotting the show, killing a lot of the viewing figures. Networks are networks, they're a business. They're not going to look at dwindling viewing figures for Universe and recognise that they need to make a higher quality show, they'll just assume that interest in the Stargate franchise is dropping.
I'm not saying that Universe was perfect, I enjoyed it but I did find some episodes boring and frustrating. But in the end, I do think that if people gave it more of a chance, or just simply suffered through it, we would be getting a new Stargate show eventually, and more movies too.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on May 7, 2011 21:49:05 GMT -5
Oh please... we weren't watching because it wasn't Stargate and it wasn't good. We as viewers do not have to watch things we don't like or want.
Anyone with a peas's shit of a brain could see that universe was very different in every way from SG1 and Atlantis. I doesn't take a genius to figure out why nobody was watching.
The only ones to blame for the death of the Stargate Franchise are the directors and producers. If they'd made an actual Stargate show instead of the crap Universe was, we'd have kept on watching.
They didn't and so we left.
They are the only one's responsible.
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Post by Akoot on May 8, 2011 2:34:32 GMT -5
To be fair, I think you're somewhat right. I do think it's a bit of both though.
I don't think there's just one thing to blame, main producer guy was kind of (a lot) a dick, the militant fans, and the general shitty way that networks do business. All comes together to ruin the franchise.
My favourite series is still SG-1, I think of Atlantis and Universe as being very similar. Especially in the way they started and the first few episodes. The difference is Atlantis went places and Universe sort of...didn't for a long time. I think it's gotten better lately, but obviously it's too late now. And it's still no SG-1.
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Post by Gender on May 8, 2011 8:17:57 GMT -5
Stargate fans can ultimately only blame themselves for the cancellation; the audience for Universe was split by lots of hard core Atlantis fans totally boycotting the show, killing a lot of the viewing figures. Networks are networks, they're a business. They're not going to look at dwindling viewing figures for Universe and recognise that they need to make a higher quality show, they'll just assume that interest in the Stargate franchise is dropping. I'm not saying that Universe was perfect, I enjoyed it but I did find some episodes boring and frustrating. But in the end, I do think that if people gave it more of a chance, or just simply suffered through it, we would be getting a new Stargate show eventually, and more movies too. Yes blame the fans, the show itself and Wright had absolutely nothing to do with it. =P You can find a lot of opinions online on why fans were pissed at Universe, ranging from poor handling of the cancellation of Atlantis, Wright going on his own personal fanhunt doing everything in his power to piss off fans, to SGU just not getting the fanbases attention. I already sat through the first season, that was good enough. Stargate Universe in a nutshell: Honestly that is Universe. To be fair, I think you're somewhat right. I do think it's a bit of both though. I don't think there's just one thing to blame, main producer guy was kind of (a lot) a dick, the militant fans, and the general shitty way that networks do business. All comes together to ruin the franchise. My favourite series is still SG-1, I think of Atlantis and Universe as being very similar. Especially in the way they started and the first few episodes. The difference is Atlantis went places and Universe sort of...didn't for a long time. I think it's gotten better lately, but obviously it's too late now. And it's still no SG-1. I wouldn't call Atlantis similair. Atlantis packed an international team of people actually selected to go to Atlantis. The best of the best. They knew it was possibly a one way trip, that and Atlantis didn't spend it's first block of episodes dipping into character's back story. It had a lighter tone, some actual action, competant team that wasn't just a bunch of whiners, etc. Theres a reason Atlantis went on for as long as it did and for the most part kicked Universe's ass in ratings. |
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on May 8, 2011 8:52:40 GMT -5
Didn't exactly blow Atlantis' first episode views out of the water(4.2 million?). But they really lost a good chunk(like a third of it) of the audience fast in the first season( which had me rolling my eyes when Merlin was beating them out, seems like the Stargate audience hopped ship) <Includes image on bottom of post> I do remember reading that article though way back, but I'm not going to completely blame a switch from Friday to Tuesday for killing them in viewership, Wright remains at the top my list as for why it died and season one itself ended weaker than Atlantis' last season for twice the price Atlantis cost. I wouldn't say sometimes, 80% of the time they were at eachothers throats, we watched poor Eli /Math Boy! suffer at girl next door syndrome where soldier boy that was making love to everyone else(apparently also having a kid) get the girl, Rush and Adama, *cough* I mean Colonel Young at eachothers throats(With Young seemingly unable to even control his own soldiers) in general a mess of a cast complaining, all grabbing for power, sometimes bordering incompetence and so on each dark day onboard destiny. =P I don't have a problem with dark settings, plot or anything like that, but unless your going to have a character like Rodney there to bring some light at the end of the tunnel and take some breaks outside cheesy comedy / movie references from Math Boy! it's going to be just a trip stuck in the tunnel. I would hope they had some decent quality with the price tag and the actual cast which wasn't bad(my complaints lie with the characters, not the acting, for the most part), but pretty sets isn't going to make the casual audience stick, there wasn't much action first season, these soldiers shouldn't have even been stationed off world, etc. I got my family hooked to Atlantis after it was cancelled and they were pretty bummed out with Universe and Atlantis's cancellation(Which is another way you alienate the audience by not handling this REMOTELY well). We could go on, was Destiny complete trash every episode? No, but it was slow paced, had my head spinning seeing Oneil not in character, alienated a good chunk of it's family viewers with the constant banging / lesbian romance / stoning back and forth episodes in the first season, etc. MUST KEEP MY SGU HATE INSIDE!!!! I really don't want to rag on it anymore so I'll stick with that there. Edit: Where did you get that Avatar because it looks like a kickass game potentially? Gah, sorry for not responding before. I was occupied and simply forgot.  No, it didn't blow Atlantis out of the water, but I wasn't talking about that, I was comparing it to the last season of Atlantis, just like you did in your previous post, which I guess I should have worded better. Universe did average better than Atlantis in it's last season, and it kept those numbers throughout the first season until the finale. Now admittedly, the show had a lot of problems. Was it slow? Yeah. Was it clumsy? At points bad? Yes. Unlike Stargate and Atlantis, it started out weak and it took most of the first season for the writers to get their bearings right. All that stands. But those points aren't necessarily related to the fact that it was dark. It's not like they tricked anyone, did they? They said they're taking Stargate in a new direction, and they did it. A lot of people didn't gravitate towards the grim darkness and backstabbing. But then again, a lot of people did. I loved the characters in Universe, and I loved how they interacted with each other (Except Lt. Scott, he can go die in a swamp for all I care). They constantly fought over leadership, over resources, goals, everything, but they weren't unlikable. They had plenty of good, heartwarming moments as well. You could see why they did what they did, and you felt that were real people. And unlike Atlantis (and in some cases SG1 as well) Universe felt like it knew where it was going. I get that people didn't gravitate towards the darker setting and overarching plot, I get that they didn't gravitate towards the constant in fighting and backstabbing, and I understand that. But people take this shift in direction and automatically translate it as being wastly inferior to the other two series, and it really wasn't. If you look at IMDB, its rating is not that lower that Atlantis', and the rating for the second season finale is the highest of any Stargate episode ever! (I still haven't seen it so I can't comment.). Unfortunately the combined factors of trying to get its bearing for so long, network messing it up and fanbase outcry that it sucks just because it's different turned it into a failure, which is a shame, because the show just kept going up in quality, and I think with a little love, it could have been a keeper. The av is from Dawn of War 2: Chaos Rising. Here's the full picture:  |
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Post by Akoot on May 8, 2011 8:54:15 GMT -5
I wouldn't call Atlantis similair. Atlantis packed an international team of people actually selected to go to Atlantis. The best of the best. They knew it was possibly a one way trip, that and Atlantis didn't spend it's first block of episodes dipping into character's back story. It had a lighter tone, some actual action, competant team that wasn't just a bunch of whiners, etc. Theres a reason Atlantis went on for as long as it did and for the most part kicked Universe's ass in ratings. And that reason, is Rodney McKay. Just kidding, but I was referencing the whole peril of the place they are forced to live being the death of them thing. It seems a lot of episodes, especially at the start of Universe, involve the ship attempting to die and them barely surviving. I remember the start of Atlantis being similar. Maybe that was just the first few episodes, though. One issue you missed with Universe is the lighting. I'm surprised nobody died from tripping over something in the dark. Ps. I should clarify that I didn't really love Universe or Atlantis, I just wanted to bring some balance to this topic. Pps. I was very tired when I wrote my first post in this topic and I thought I was hilarious for some reason, looking back I just sound like a prick. |
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on May 8, 2011 17:13:46 GMT -5
and the rating for the second season finale is the highest of any Stargate episode ever! (I still haven't seen it so I can't comment.). Actually, scratch that, turns out the last episode isn't out yet. The IMBD score was just a few fanboy votes. My mistake. |
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Post by Gender on May 8, 2011 21:04:16 GMT -5
Gah, sorry for not responding before. I was occupied and simply forgot. No, it didn't blow Atlantis out of the water, but I wasn't talking about that, I was comparing it to the last season of Atlantis, just like you did in your previous post, which I guess I should have worded better. Universe did average better than Atlantis in it's last season, and it kept those numbers throughout the first season until the finale. Now admittedly, the show had a lot of problems. Was it slow? Yeah. Was it clumsy? At points bad? Yes. Unlike Stargate and Atlantis, it started out weak and it took most of the first season for the writers to get their bearings right. All that stands. But those points aren't necessarily related to the fact that it was dark. It's not like they tricked anyone, did they? They said they're taking Stargate in a new direction, and they did it. A lot of people didn't gravitate towards the grim darkness and backstabbing. But then again, a lot of people did. I loved the characters in Universe, and I loved how they interacted with each other (Except Lt. Scott, he can go die in a swamp for all I care). They constantly fought over leadership, over resources, goals, everything, but they weren't unlikable. They had plenty of good, heartwarming moments as well. You could see why they did what they did, and you felt that were real people. And unlike Atlantis (and in some cases SG1 as well) Universe felt like it knew where it was going. I get that people didn't gravitate towards the darker setting and overarching plot, I get that they didn't gravitate towards the constant in fighting and backstabbing, and I understand that. But people take this shift in direction and automatically translate it as being wastly inferior to the other two series, and it really wasn't. If you look at IMDB, its rating is not that lower that Atlantis', and the rating for the second season finale is the highest of any Stargate episode ever! (I still haven't seen it so I can't comment.). Unfortunately the combined factors of trying to get its bearing for so long, network messing it up and fanbase outcry that it sucks just because it's different turned it into a failure, which is a shame, because the show just kept going up in quality, and I think with a little love, it could have been a keeper. The av is from Dawn of War 2: Chaos Rising. Here's the full picture: This is what I read in the previous post, which came off with a touch of madness. =) When it more so grabbing a significantly less chunk of same audience. No matter how you look at it, SGA had a strong first season that blew Destiny out of the water and was able to hold out for 5 seasons with moderately nice numbers, Destiny barely got through it's first season, losing a third of it's audience and never recovered. So it's reasonable that when I read this I was thinking SGA first season comparison?! Madness!!! I'll be first to say Universe did get better, but at that time my friends and family already stopped caring ( We all watched SG-1 - SGA). I was the last guy watching, yay they actually have some action going on, woo. New direction? Straight into a black hole. =) I can understand the scott hate, he was a terrible, Terrible, soldier who was bigger on fracking BSG style every chance he got. You even liked Math Boy? For someone that was supposed to make me laugh, relate with me, he did a terrible job with both of that( he got a little better, but not by much), not to mention watching him with heavy girl-next-door-syndrome, which gets old after a while. I'm not sure I got the sense of it knowing where it was going, it was stoning back and force for the first solid block of episodes in an attempt to establish it's characters, which for the most part, even if they real people, were not that likable. I enjoyed Rush, even if he was a moron compared to Rodney and Sam, but he actually seemed like an interesting character, the rest I didn't care for(Maybe the hispanic angry pants soldier, although I still protest him even being off world seems dumb). No one wants to watch a cast of characters they don't give a damn about, honestly that is probably one of the bigger reasons, outside the whole constant girlbangathon, that Destiny lost it's audience. You watch SG-1, you like O'neill, Teal'c, Sam, Daniel( Oh so lovable to watch him face those death scenarios. =) ), all for the most part producing interesting stories and making you want to watch them week from week saving the day. Just like with Atlantis that actually had some strong rooting comming right out from SG-1. From SG-1 figuring spending a good chunk of time remarking about how big of a deal Atlantis would be, to having characters from past seasons like Weir and Mckay(oh how we loved you since Redemption). They even get a send off from half of SG-1. Not to mention Sheppard was a nerd of my own heart and him, Beckett and Rodney kept me watchin, especially with later additions like Ronan. Like this, if SGU had scenes like these, with characters that we like, I doubt the fanbase would have hopped ship. It's fine to go for a new darker direction, but when you essentially forsake what fans have been watching for over 10 years you should take a step and think, why do people watch our show? I don't think the Producers really bothered to think that out when I look at Eli or the rest of the cast. I liked seeing cameos from original characters, but it really didn't hold me through. I'm sure SGU would have gotten better, but I along with a lot of folks aren't going to bother tooning in for an hour of our lives every week to watch something we don't care about. Oh so thats where the mysteriously cool avatar is from, I'll have to look that up. |
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Post by Crom-Cruach on May 8, 2011 21:08:13 GMT -5
Hellos, you are too generous toward SGU. Harden your heart, let the hate flow!
There is nothing good to say about Universe, it was crap.
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Post by Gender on May 8, 2011 21:09:55 GMT -5
And that reason, is Rodney McKay. Just kidding, but I was referencing the whole peril of the place they are forced to live being the death of them thing. It seems a lot of episodes, especially at the start of Universe, involve the ship attempting to die and them barely surviving. I remember the start of Atlantis being similar. Maybe that was just the first few episodes, though. One issue you missed with Universe is the lighting. I'm surprised nobody died from tripping over something in the dark. Ps. I should clarify that I didn't really love Universe or Atlantis, I just wanted to bring some balance to this topic. Pps. I was very tired when I wrote my first post in this topic and I thought I was hilarious for some reason, looking back I just sound like a prick. And I'd agree, Mckay was a great character before Atlantis, he because that much better when he actually became a regular character. Thats because the start of Atlantis had a similar concept of being completely cut off from help and in a dangerous city without any way to defend themselves from a super threat that was comming. Universe was more or less the same boat of complete hopelessness. The problem is Atlantis, these guys signed up for it and were the right people for the mission, Universe a bunch of people from all over the place that Rush essentially stranded there for his own personal greedy reasons. But even then, a lot of these folks shouldn't have ever been off world to being with, they are all nuts. Not to mention Universe itself much more seriously, while Atlantis had Sheppard and Mckay. Now I wouldn't say that, but it was like "Come on man, can't completely blame the fans for Universe not being watchable for a lot of them". |
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