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Post by Gender on May 8, 2011 21:20:28 GMT -5
Hellos, you are too generous toward SGU. Harden your heart, let the hate flow! There is nothing good to say about Universe, it was crap. I know I am, thats the lingering Lover of all that is Stargate( even if in this case the Stargate was garbage that barely worked and the whole premise behind going on Destiny seemed completely !@#$ing pointless considering it's ownly value is the data stored in it from the explored space(even that is completely pointless since Humanity is never going to even go that far, better off Ascending like the Ancients), outside that Atlantis probably has the schematics or any worthwhile outdated tech from destiny in it's storage banks. Honestly there was no incentive for the Government to toss any more into Destiny's budget) in me that wants to give it a bump up from what it was. Plus I saw what happens when I let the hate flow through me, I become an annoying character that gets his limbs chopped off. That or I get thrown down a bottomless shaft by my apprentice.  Although I have to admit, a certain Emporer looked quite happy though. |
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Post by Crom-Cruach on May 8, 2011 21:22:30 GMT -5
the emperor knows nothing about letting the actual hate flow....
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Post by Gender on May 8, 2011 21:40:05 GMT -5
the emperor knows nothing about letting the actual hate flow.... He tries. |
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Post by Crom-Cruach on May 8, 2011 21:40:49 GMT -5
lol.
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on May 9, 2011 13:42:04 GMT -5
This is what I read in the previous post, which came off with a touch of madness. =) When it more so grabbing a significantly less chunk of same audience. No matter how you look at it, SGA had a strong first season that blew Destiny out of the water and was able to hold out for 5 seasons with moderately nice numbers, Destiny barely got through it's first season, losing a third of it's audience and never recovered. So it's reasonable that when I read this I was thinking SGA first season comparison?! Madness!!! I'll be first to say Universe did get better, but at that time my friends and family already stopped caring ( We all watched SG-1 - SGA). I was the last guy watching, yay they actually have some action going on, woo. New direction? Straight into a black hole. =) I can understand the scott hate, he was a terrible, Terrible, soldier who was bigger on fracking BSG style every chance he got. You even liked Math Boy? For someone that was supposed to make me laugh, relate with me, he did a terrible job with both of that( he got a little better, but not by much), not to mention watching him with heavy girl-next-door-syndrome, which gets old after a while. I'm not sure I got the sense of it knowing where it was going, it was stoning back and force for the first solid block of episodes in an attempt to establish it's characters, which for the most part, even if they real people, were not that likable. I enjoyed Rush, even if he was a moron compared to Rodney and Sam, but he actually seemed like an interesting character, the rest I didn't care for(Maybe the hispanic angry pants soldier, although I still protest him even being off world seems dumb). No one wants to watch a cast of characters they don't give a damn about, honestly that is probably one of the bigger reasons, outside the whole constant girlbangathon, that Destiny lost it's audience. You watch SG-1, you like O'neill, Teal'c, Sam, Daniel( Oh so lovable to watch him face those death scenarios. =) ), all for the most part producing interesting stories and making you want to watch them week from week saving the day. Just like with Atlantis that actually had some strong rooting comming right out from SG-1. From SG-1 figuring spending a good chunk of time remarking about how big of a deal Atlantis would be, to having characters from past seasons like Weir and Mckay(oh how we loved you since Redemption). They even get a send off from half of SG-1. Not to mention Sheppard was a nerd of my own heart and him, Beckett and Rodney kept me watchin, especially with later additions like Ronan. Like this, if SGU had scenes like these, with characters that we like, I doubt the fanbase would have hopped ship. It's fine to go for a new darker direction, but when you essentially forsake what fans have been watching for over 10 years you should take a step and think, why do people watch our show? I don't think the Producers really bothered to think that out when I look at Eli or the rest of the cast. I liked seeing cameos from original characters, but it really didn't hold me through. I'm sure SGU would have gotten better, but I along with a lot of folks aren't going to bother tooning in for an hour of our lives every week to watch something we don't care about. I didn't hate Scott, I just didn't care about him at all, since he was just a generic maverick soldier guy with absolutely nothing else to his character. I do think you're being very unfair to Eli and the rest of the cast though. Most of them did a very good job of emoting once given the chance. Of course the chance wasn't given straight away, but that falls under the general "finding their bearings" we discussed earlier. I suppose this falls simply under different tastes. You likes Rush, I freaking loved him. But SGU did have its fair share of lolzy moments. True, they very few and far between, but the grim nature of the show just made them stand out even more. However, the the thing is that, while Atlantis had good characters and a had a lot of fun with them, nobody cared. Atlantis' ratings have going down since the second season, and the fourth and fifth season were actually on par with Universe's first season, even dropping below it at points. See, good, funny characters aren't worth much without a good plot, and in that regard Atlantis proved ideally bankrupt from season 3 onwards. They had little in terms of overarching story that actually paid off, they introduced and discarded factions and plot devices without giving them so much as a second thought, they were fighting an enemy which has long lost any pretense of being a credible threat, and it generally felt like they had no idea where they were going or what they are going to do with the setting next. Add to that your own observation that Atlantis had its big brother SG1 holding it up for the first three seasons, and that it started ridding on the f@ckawesomeness that was SG1's season 7 finale, and it quickly becomes apparent that Atlantis' success has more to do with family than its own merit. This is the whole reason why they took Universe in a different direction. The family friendly approach wasn't working anymore. Had they continued going there, the end result would have been the same it is now. Universe was far better thought out than Atlantis. Universe knew what it wanted to do and where it wanted to take the plot, even if it took it a while to figure out the same for the characters. Universe actually had some suspense in it. I watched it because I wanted to know what was going to happen next, not because I found the characters funny. And despite claims, Universe actually did bring a lot of new people to Stargate that didn't know it before, which is what it was meant to do. Unfortunately, it also caused older fans to abandon it, in the extreme cases without even giving it a chance. Unlikely as it seems, Atlantis and Universe were quite comparable. Except whereas Atlantis had plenty of help getting off, Universe saw the circumstances conspire against it. |
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on May 9, 2011 13:43:01 GMT -5
Hellos, you are too generous toward SGU. Harden your heart, let the hate flow! There is nothing good to say about Universe, it was crap. Oh stop being so damn exclusive. The world is not black and white and neither is Stargate. |
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Post by Gender on May 9, 2011 16:42:49 GMT -5
I didn't hate Scott, I just didn't care about him at all, since he was just a generic maverick soldier guy with absolutely nothing else to his character. I do think you're being very unfair to Eli and the rest of the cast though. Most of them did a very good job of emoting once given the chance. Of course the chance wasn't given straight away, but that falls under the general "finding their bearings" we discussed earlier. I suppose this falls simply under different tastes. You likes Rush, I freaking loved him. But SGU did have its fair share of lolzy moments. True, they very few and far between, but the grim nature of the show just made them stand out even more. However, the the thing is that, while Atlantis had good characters and a had a lot of fun with them, nobody cared. Atlantis' ratings have going down since the second season, and the fourth and fifth season were actually on par with Universe's first season, even dropping below it at points. See, good, funny characters aren't worth much without a good plot, and in that regard Atlantis proved ideally bankrupt from season 3 onwards. They had little in terms of overarching story that actually paid off, they introduced and discarded factions and plot devices without giving them so much as a second thought, they were fighting an enemy which has long lost any pretense of being a credible threat, and it generally felt like they had no idea where they were going or what they are going to do with the setting next. Add to that your own observation that Atlantis had its big brother SG1 holding it up for the first three seasons, and that it started ridding on the f@ckawesomeness that was SG1's season 7 finale, and it quickly becomes apparent that Atlantis' success has more to do with family than its own merit. This is the whole reason why they took Universe in a different direction. The family friendly approach wasn't working anymore. Had they continued going there, the end result would have been the same it is now. Universe was far better thought out than Atlantis. Universe knew what it wanted to do and where it wanted to take the plot, even if it took it a while to figure out the same for the characters. Universe actually had some suspense in it. I watched it because I wanted to know what was going to happen next, not because I found the characters funny. And despite claims, Universe actually did bring a lot of new people to Stargate that didn't know it before, which is what it was meant to do. Unfortunately, it also caused older fans to abandon it, in the extreme cases without even giving it a chance. Unlikely as it seems, Atlantis and Universe were quite comparable. Except whereas Atlantis had plenty of help getting off, Universe saw the circumstances conspire against it. Under the Sith way of life, if Scott is not with you, he is against you.  Not sure if I'm being unfair to Eli, I outright disliked him, he wasn't funny when he was supposed to be funny, chased after the girl with puppy eyes that he couldn't get and at points I just found annoying. Eli is not someone I'd hang out with, although he did have some nice qualities if I recall for his back story for being that guy that chose to take care of his family, but still I didn't enjoy him at all when he was actually on the screen. No I'm sure they did do a good job acting out the characters, but my dislike isn't aimed at the actors or their ability to act and flesh out the characters, it's their characters I don't like. I'm never going to hate on the actors unless they are outright terrible, I'll usually point my finger at the writers or anyone else who is really incharge there in charge ruining the show for me. Theres reason to like Rush above all in the series, he was the most interesting character there, who stranded them due to his mysterious motives. There are Lolmoments in SGU? The only time I remember laughing is when the worm monsters drilled through Chloe's stomatch killing her, I know that's a bit morbid sense of humor but thats because I was hoping she'd stay dead. Although at the end of same episode I think there might have been a slighty funny moment. True Atlantis did have a solid cast of characters, some like mentioned already well rooted in the Stargate franchise. Sure the ratings for falling since Season Two, you can blame DVR's, internet downloads, etc for bringing down ratings across the board on television. Which is a fault of the rating system for not adjusting with the times. Both Atlantis and SG-1 floating around 1.2, which is normal for televsion these days. Yes Universe ended up running roughly at the same in viewership and still packing twice the cost each episode( I could had two stargates for half the price!). Although it was pretty dead( namely why it was canceled) by season two if we compared it to SGA's S2. I think the only real discarded 'factions' would be the Evil Asgards, but thats because Season 5 wasn't written to be the last season. Unless your talking about minor races with ocassional ancient tech or items that either ended up getting destroyed, often mentioned, etc throughout the series. Maybe the Medieval society that was more so introduced to restore Atlantis' dwindled drone supply? Which plot devices were discarded? Although I'll agree with you, the Wraith lost virtually all credibility as a threat fast once the SGA team got themselves some ZPM's and the Daedalus flying over-head. The whole premise of the Wraith beating out the Ancients who still had weapons or items that grinded home the point who should have really won the war. I don't remember calling SG-1 it's big brother, muchless holding it up. Atlantis was rooted in SG-1, they had the occasional bit of interaction through the seasons, with both making appearances on each other's shows, nothing that was really game breaking. It was cool to see these two shows interact with eachother, like SG-1 getting Atlantis a much needed ZPM or Earth sending Stargate Marines( God I hated that general's voice). Universe literally came out of nowhere, seemingly with their own personal out of character O'neil at first and flew off into the distance alienating long time fans all on it's own. It might faired a little better with help from one of the previous franchises outside the occasional cameo, like Rodney, Winsely, Carter and O'neil think thats all of them. Syfy wanted to renew Altantis for another season so it had to have had some positives. =) ( Like people watching it) My family and friends disagree with Universe being far better than Atlantis, just sayin. Even with the episodes starting off very character driven to establish said characters, they never really let the whole bag out, so it seemed like an odd move to devoid the start of the series with anything outside "Boo-hoo, woe is me!" and "I don't like you". As for watching something to see what happens next, isn't that the concept behind the vast majority of television? We already have some idea of what will happen, based in this case off the preview and the general format of this type of television. -Problem comes up, cast panics, tries to fix problem or kill eachother, resolved or nearly resolved depending if it is a two parter, while progressing to more bigger problem in plot.- I'm not entire sure the entire fanbase exactly never gave Universe a chance, considering it's numbers for the first few episode it seems like a solid chunk of fans tuned in, they just stopped caring or refused to watch after a certain number of episodes having their numbers drop like a rock. Also it's not just about the characters being funny, it's about them actually being characters someone can like. Which I like dedicated a good chunk of my post pointing out. No one wants to hang out for an hour watching someone they don't care about and find unlikable, especially on television. I wanted to see what crazy idea Rodney would think up of to save the day last minute, Sheppard make some reference to the team being like Fantastic Four, Ronan beat some poor wraith down, CloneBeckett speak with his lovely scottish accent, etc. I don't know about that. Universe was set up for the cast to be completely seperate from Earth outside the magic stones, really outside that it is nigh impossible to do anything else with the piece of shit(Assumingly first stargate built by Ancients) gate to get them anywhere back home, they aren't entirely sure where they are. In Atlantis, even at the start, once Earth had some idea were Atlantis was after dialing them, they could send a ship there and nearly did much earlier. The first season is probably the most comparable you can get with SGU, but even then Atlantis brought up the big bads fast, I'm still not entirely sure who is the bigger threat to the SGU team, themselves, the falling Destiny or the blue aliens that kept following them in S2. You could go on. I think SGU would make a better book than television series. |
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on May 9, 2011 17:52:49 GMT -5
Under the Sith way of life, if Scott is not with you, he is against you. Only a Sith deals in the absolutes! Which is guess is okay if you are a Sith... NVM. You mileage may vary. I found him pretty likeable, and I would hang out with him if the opportunity arose. He grew over his crush on Chloe after the first season. Again, every character had his moments of petting the dog and letting us get to know him. Rush was the most interesting, true, but this isn't to say the others weren't interesting. Though I'm pretty sure you're eligible for execution is some parts of the world for not thinking Greer is awesome. ;D ... Note to self: Do NOT piss Hellos off... Yes, there were plenty of funny moments. Here's a recent one: I doubt you can attribute all of it to DVR given that the quality ratings have dropped as well. The Asurans were discarded just as well. Regardless you the quality of Be all my sins remember'd, it's clear that the episode was written because the writers simply didn't know what to do with the Asurans, and so killed them off. Plot devices, how about the Attero device? And of course, Atlantis will forever hold my ire for turning the Ancients from a cool mystical older race to a group of retards who couldn't find their way out of a plastic bag. And you don't think the shows interacting is holding it up? You yourself say it was cool to see it happen, you're far more likely to watch something when it's interfacing with your other favorite show. Effectively SG1 and Atlantis were sharing viewers as long as SG1 was there. Universe didn't have that. Universe came out of nowhere because it had nowhere else to come from. Atlantis was over. SG1 was over. Universe was to stand on its own or fall on its own. That's not Universe's fault by any account. Also, out of character O'Neill. What? I never said it was better. I just said it's far better thought out. But again, I can name people with opposite opinion too.  And of course, we've been over that already. Yes, it took them a while to catch up. Regrettable. I, personally, watched Atlantis for the last season simply for characters. I couldn't care about the plot in the least, it gave me no suspense at all. it was secondary to the antics of Rodney and co. Also, the first episode always attracts the biggest crowd. It's usually always downhill from there. Again, your opinion. I found the characters likeable enough. Actually the writers stated there would be no definitive arch enemy in SGU. Which makes sense given that Destiny is traveling across freaking galaxies and all. My point on being similar was about out of universe circumstances, but I admit it was poorly thought out. Unfortunately they cancelled those too... No idea why, I don't see how much expensive books can be. |
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Post by Gender on May 9, 2011 19:35:07 GMT -5
Only a Sith deals in the absolutes! Which is guess is okay if you are a Sith... NVM. Whats wrong with dealing in absolutes? Honestly, Sith aren't as bad as Jedi make them out to be, neither is the darkside. =P  Really? So if Chloe were to give him a smooch would he not follow her around like a puppy? The last episode I remember seeing was around when Chloe had been shot and he was dragging her all over the place and I think she mentions the friendship thing crushing his hopes of his character ever losing his virginity. =P Eli definitely isn't my cup of tea so maybe thats it. I won't say Rush is the only interest character, but my interest in the characters outside Rush and Ronald. Some of them just seem to be generally !@#holes, annoying or in general boring individuals. Young for example, despite me cheering on him decking Telford, but other then that he seems like he would be one of the most boring guys to hang out with on Destiny. Ronald is probably the most honest person, outside maybe Eli on that ship. You give my rage too much credit, until I get that oh so precious world domination underway feel free to anger the legendary Hellos off.  For he will have revenge one day! ![]() Yes, there were plenty of funny moments. Here's a recent one:[/img] Out of all the things to bring off world, well he did chose himself a dramatic and lite sense of music with him to party on Destiny with. I can understand the funny in that. Note: Tonight I think is the last episode- Across the board television has seen a viewership dropped, between things like Youtube, Hulu, Netflicks or downloading them form ______ site people don't really need to watch television anymore or really be a slave to particular time slots unless it's important and live. So it wasn't just SGA but television across board show drops in ratings. I would be suprised if television wasn't eventually completely replaced by computers. Asurans were recurring villian since season 3 and after being turned on and actively wiping human civilizations they had to be killed off eventually. ( For the most part, still have a few inactive Asurans floating around dead in space). My one complaint was the Travelor ships tanking their drones came off stupid. That got blown up though, my complaint there, that we had a little discussion way back involved, the Ancients could have just shut the gate network down and killed off the Wraith that way, much like they could have built a replica of their little matter manipulating( on a galactic scale) Dakara that could have ended the Wraith threat pretty easily. Overall there were a few gizmos you have to look back on both Atlantis and SG-1 that should have put the Wraith down. Heck based off the tech the Asgard had they could have given the Wraith a run for their money on their own. Ancients losing to the Wraith was pretty heavy PIS on their part. The Ancients could have just made a bunch of solar system busters and purged the Wraith from the Galaxy that way too. Lot plot devices through sg-1 and sga. I wouldn't say can't find themselves out of a plastic bag, just hit with incredibly PIS when plot needed them to lose. Plus even SG-1 had the Ancients willingly letting the Ori nearly wipe them out of existence with the bomb Daniel made. SG-1 and Altantis were almost over, the Movies tied up a bit of the left over plot that was hanging from SG-1, Atlantis didn't get that closure exactly. I'm not sure sharing viewers is the right word, people that didn't SG-1 didn't watch SG-1 much like for Atlantis, you had your newer fans and older ones that hated the other one. You can certainly blame Universe for pealing over dead on it's own, they tried to throw some SG-1 and SGA love in there with a few references( I think Destiny was pulled straight out of the Ancient database) It did come off as incredibly pointless for Earth even bother looking for. Like I mentioned up there in my rage post, there really is no incentive outside very useless information about Galaxy's humanity will never go to sitting inside Destiny's computers, they won't find new tech that won't be sitting in the Ancient Database and they potentially risk a group of people to go on this mission that. I never understood why the government bothered with Destiny. Generally I never viewed Jack as someone that would order another officer to perform a plan that might potentially KILL everyone board. At least not without having Carter dot the i's and such. Heck it wasn't even apparent if they Mckay or even Mckay's sister look over the plan. O'neill is the guy that sticks up to the 'Man', namely why he wasn't sure if he could be the 'Man'. Yeah I just re read what I underlined, I guess I forgot what your said or read it the wrong way there. Might have helped to establish more of a antagonist or less character exploration and more character growth. Not hearing about how Scott's the babies daddy or Young apparently makes himself out to be a cheater. All you need for Atlantis, although 'Vegas' was a nice treat. Them sorta just leaving Atlantis on Earth wasn't, but thats the price to pay when you have to squeeze a two parter season cliff hanger and try to turn it into a more stable ending. Atlantis itself was jobbing a bit at the end there. I'm not sure I'm willing to commit to 'always' but in generally yeah, first episodes bring in the bigger crowds who decide if they want to continue watching after a certain point. Well you crack it down down opinion. Generally people that are angry, voice themselves a lot more often. Namely why SGU doesn't get as much love as it probably should on the internets. Would have been nice to get a little hint of who said arch enemy that would chase them down across galaxies. Even Voyager and BSG had some established early villians that were relentless for one reason or another to take them down. Thats fine, there are comparisons to be made, just plenty of differences to the engine. MGM being cheap. |
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Post by Gender on May 9, 2011 19:36:35 GMT -5
I feel like my response should be longer, did I cut off any points of your post somehow?
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Post by substancedii on May 9, 2011 22:11:55 GMT -5
Syfy sucks... First they change their name so that is less geeky and more main stream, then they kill Friday night sify night by giving the time slot to smack down... And finally they don't give 2 good shows any chance to sucseed.. First caprica and now this... It was funny how they did caprica... They pulled the plug right when it was getting good... Then they didn't even show the final episode which were amazing.... They probably didn't want it's ratings to improve.. The priew for season 2 looked like it would have been pretty awesome Now this?  Sgu is by far the best stargate series... This is what star trek voyager should have been. I don't even know if I'm going to bother with BSG: Blood and chrome.... Syfy will just pull the plug after 1 or 2 seasons... Right when it starts to get good  |
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on May 10, 2011 3:48:50 GMT -5
Whats wrong with dealing in absolutes? Honestly, Sith aren't as bad as Jedi make them out to be, neither is the darkside. =P I think I'll hold out until they get better skin care products... He finds a new girl early in season 2. One that acknowledges his existence.  Young... Yeah, true, he is very different than other commanders in Stargate. But again, he gets better. I loved the episode in season 2 where he suffers a mini breakdown, and the Destiny just drops dead and refuses to move until he, as the commanding officer of the mission, accepts his responsibility again. Oh yeah, Destiny is probably my favorite character on the show. True enough, but again, I don't think you can pin all of it on downloading. Season 4 was clearly dropping below the 1 mark at points. IIRC the fact that Asurans were wiping out humans came out in the exact same episode (Or the one before, being a two parter...). There was no reason to go that way unless you just wanted them gone. True enough. It's not just the PIS, They were... not impressive. their technology, style, engineering, just didn't reflect a civilization millions of years old. You get on an Aurora, and you may as well be on a bog standard Starfleet vessel. Where are the mind upload devices? The sarcophagus precursors? The fancy weapons ala prior staffs? Hell, where are the teleporters? How come a Hatak can have ten of those things, and an Aurora has none? Just poorly thought out. Plus the Auroras were butt ugly. SG-1 and Altantis were almost over, the Movies tied up a bit of the left over plot that was hanging from SG-1, Atlantis didn't get that closure exactly. I'm not sure sharing viewers is the right word, people that didn't SG-1 didn't watch SG-1 much like for Atlantis, you had your newer fans and older ones that hated the other one. What, you don't think finding God is sufficient motivation?  I think a lot of people are confusing out of character with character development on O'Neill's part. Whether he likes it or not, he is the man now, and he needs to act like it. Besides, if we're thinking about the same thing, he did get a bit tied up by the IOA IIRC, and once it failed he gave Young full support to NOT pursue it again. True enough. They dropped those plotlines completely in second season. Agreed, more or less. Yeah, we've all been there. Well, true, kinda. I didn't have much of a problem with there being no definitive villain, but it couldn't have hurt certainly. Yeah, to hell with them.  |
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Post by Crom-Cruach on May 11, 2011 18:26:22 GMT -5
Oh stop being so damn exclusive. The world is not black and white and neither is Stargate. As for as I'm concerned when it comes to Stargate SGU it is as black is the gaping center of a black hole. It had: -Unlikable Moronic characters -An annoying, boring, poorly executed plot -A horrid execution that shat on everything that makes Stargate awesome As far as I'm concerned anyone who agreed to SGU violently raped stargated then waved their bloody dick at the fans. |
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Post by Akoot on May 11, 2011 19:52:42 GMT -5
I thought Atlantis was a bit silly.
I think Universe is a bit too serious.
I thought SG-1 ran for too long.
By our powers combined, I am Stargate SG-Atlantiverse!
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Post by Gender on May 14, 2011 0:21:00 GMT -5
I think I'll hold out until they get better skin care products... You wound me good sir, it's not whats on the outside but the inside that counts. So someone outside his Mom right? =P I don't really remember him accepting it the first time, he establishes himself as head of the ship then proceeds to fight off the sharks and question himself. The ship or Young? I blame the internet for cancelling a lot of shows, animated and television wise. It's only going to get worse too. It might have been but lets look at their track record of appearances in episodes from S3-4. 1. Appear, nearly destroy Atlantis in first appearance. 2. Kill off the remaining living Ancients, O'niel makes appearance going all Mcguyver on the Asurans, nearly take Atlantis with them. 3. Daedalus bombs their planet after discovering they are prepping an invasion fleet for Earth. Again attack Atlantis, nearly killing Wier, strands the city mid jump. 4. Team nabs ZPM to save Atlantis from Replicator/ Asuran World, robo Wier mind jacks them holding them off, team saves day, Wier assumed dead, Mckay sets Asurans on Wraith killmode. 5. Asurans have been up to no good killing a lot of folks, team raises army to take battle straight to the planet, Robo Wier and friends pop up after saying hay all, I'm not dead wait for me to make another appearance in super hawt Repicator Babe skin. Then a few mentions after that or before, but for the most part the Asurans just kept nearly busting Atlantis, then made a move to destroy Earth, then humanity across the Galaxy, I mean at this point they needed to be put down. Namely why they tossed the survivors through the Stargate to freeze / die. Considering the Wraith had anti beaming tech it's fair to say the Ancients had those onboard, it's not like they need a specific room like on Go'auld ships / Star Trek, not to mention those ships had an element of Ancient gene to run them / mentally piloting it, blows anything (for the most part in Star Trek) when it comes to tech on the bridge. Not to mention the shielding also does a solid enough job of tanking a lot of radiation without everyone on board kicking the bucket like on Enterprize D. They had individuals that could actual heal people / raise the dead with their hands, that and we never got the chance to really explore those ships since within a few episodes they went BOOM. Sarcophagus precursors were little cubes that made guys into zombie supermen, unless the Ancients had a lot more resistence to it's side effects I doubt they even used them. They did have lazer beam guns, although Prior staffs seemed to work more with the partly advanced priors. Thats me! Unless he has cool space ships and lazer beam guns, nah. =P I don't know about that, O'niel has had quite a few times of saying "!@#$ Orders" and happily getting himself out of the job to save the day. True. =P Even with the Doc being pregnant? Or did they kill her off? A stable villian never hurts in my books, without it all Universe had was a bunch of angry people and a ship that was falling apart. From what I hear they did recently get a nice injection of money before Destiny dissapeared, although they are bigger on releasing movies / dvd's for the cash(at least before the economy went poof). [/quote] |
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on May 17, 2011 13:34:44 GMT -5
You wound me good sir, it's not whats on the outside but the inside that counts. ...You're a Sith, I don't think that helps your case. ;D Ouch! low dude, low. True, but that wasn't my point here. The ship. It might have been but lets look at their track record of appearances in episodes from S3-4. 1. Appear, nearly destroy Atlantis in first appearance. 2. Kill off the remaining living Ancients, O'niel makes appearance going all Mcguyver on the Asurans, nearly take Atlantis with them. 3. Daedalus bombs their planet after discovering they are prepping an invasion fleet for Earth. Again attack Atlantis, nearly killing Wier, strands the city mid jump. 4. Team nabs ZPM to save Atlantis from Replicator/ Asuran World, robo Wier mind jacks them holding them off, team saves day, Wier assumed dead, Mckay sets Asurans on Wraith killmode. 5. Asurans have been up to no good killing a lot of folks, team raises army to take battle straight to the planet, Robo Wier and friends pop up after saying hay all, I'm not dead wait for me to make another appearance in super hawt Repicator Babe skin. Then a few mentions after that or before, but for the most part the Asurans just kept nearly busting Atlantis, then made a move to destroy Earth, then humanity across the Galaxy, I mean at this point they needed to be put down. Namely why they tossed the survivors through the Stargate to freeze / die. The Goa'uld have been doing shit like that for 8 seasons, yet they kept coming back. The one thing that you leave out is that all that wasn't really a part of a grand story arc. They were all (or most) separate examples which ended when the episode ended, and then they were forgotten for half a season. Then, all of a sudden, they go "O hai gais, letz destroi teh repelcators" and so they do. That's not an ending worth of a good villain. That's not an ending worth of freaking replicators. See? That's the problem. You say it's fair to say, so why didn't they say it? We're here filling in their gaps because they didn't bother to think it through. We can assume they had a lot of things, but that's all they are, assumptions. We saw Atlantis for a good 5 years, and it didn't seem that advanced itself. Where were the healing devices on Atlantis? Keep in mind that the Ancients created the device, and I really doubt they created it to make zombies. Ultimately, nothing about them gave off the impression of someone who is supposed to be beyond the Goa'uld like they were beyond us. They were just... unimpressive. What does God need with a starship? I He also had plenty of times where he had to be persuaded to nth degree to do it. I think, despite his maverick status, out of the original four, O'Neill was the one most likely to follow orders no matter what they were. Nah, she's alive and well. true enough for the first part. MGM is good for now from what I hear. They're even making the new Bond. Which makes this decision more confusing... |
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Post by Gender on May 21, 2011 6:05:39 GMT -5
...You're a Sith, I don't think that helps your case. ;D =( It had to be said, otherwise I couldn't live with myself. =P I'm not sure I can say the writers gave the Goa'uld all that much love either. Apothis comes to Earth in two mother ships and his armies, leaves a Stargate on-board apparently unguarded and ends up having his invasion plan thwarted by 4 people. Outside alternate universes/timelines and an asteroid, the only other big attack by the Goa'uld on Earth was Anubis and it only took an episode as far as I recall for them to find an ancient gizmo and blow that to pieces ending the thread of Anubis for a while. Outside that SG-1 regularly made fools out of the Goa'uld for years despite being outnumbered(Come on Jaffa! Whats that metal armor for?) and easy pickings for any air power the Goa'uld had, despite this they still end up slowly knocking down System Lords. I was actually big fan of the System Lords since they were cool guys with huge egos, but really outside Apothis(If simply on account of the fact he would not die lol), Anubis and Baal there isn't much to say "Boy these guys are competent villians" even Mr Scary face who Apothis hijacked his armies from. Very rarely did the System Lords really get justice or a reasonable excuse for why they get their !@#es kicked by SG-1. Am I the only one wondering "Wtf happened to the Nox?" Did they die randomly in an episode that I just didn't watch? The Replicators already had their big ending, a galaxy wide plot device, Daniel hijacking their network to stop them from killing everyone, and evil Sam etc. Overall epic finish with all the gates in the galaxy getting dialed. Unlike their distant relatives, the Asuran seemed content with their planet and just building a copy and paste version of the original Ancients cities, there was really no drive for Galactic conquest, power or anything really, just waiting for their "Kill Wraith" button to be pushed by the ancients, outside that they were essentially long forgotten weapon thought to be destroyed severely limited by their own programming, which ultimately lead to their downfall. (Note to self I forgot an episode dedicated to the prediction of atlantis being destroyed and the fake atlantis built by rebel Asurans) I assume it has more to do with it being implied due to the jamming system so quickly implemented by the Wraith after their ships started getting nuked. I mean really all the Goa'uld tech for the most part seemed to be watered down ancient tech to begin with, so I'd be shocked if the Ancients had no other method of personal transportation. Although unless we count the ancient elevators all around the city as beaming tech. I don't know they did have a machine that they stumbled across that can affect your DNA(the Ascendo Meter Rodney got a hold of), machines that could scan and distinguish life forms, the city itself would lock down if a bio outbreak occurs and was able to constantly monitor individuals with proper protection letting them go where they wished all on it's own, etc. As for the healing devices I remember when Shepard's ascended chick friend came for a visit Beckett mentioning something a long the lines when asked about hs medical equipment "Some of it is from Earth, some of it was left by the Ancients that we've only begun to understand what this stuff does. But really this city is so far beyond us... blah blah" another memorable quote was the Ancients not being big on instruction manuals / labels. It's fair to say, especially considering how vast the database was and a how a good chunk of the city and it's labs are left untouched for the most part, there was still a lot about Atlantis that the team didn't have the trained personal to really discover all it's kinks, it could have had a healing machine at every corner or a ray gun under each pillow. Who knows? The zombie making device was designed to be underground so it stayed far enough away to not make people go zombie mode. Why the Ancients made it that ridiculously potent comparatively to the watered down Goa'uld versions that were actually somewhat useful we will never know. If he wants my attention or the US Air Force to toss millions into the whole project to find Destiny, he better damn well have space ships and lazer beams. I don't know about that, Teal'c was very much a model soldier heavily tied down by honor and loyalty, minus the few times being brainwashed, to really only having one renegade moment of killing a Jaffa that was a total !@#hole and a Ori worshiper. Hell he sat there and resisted the urge to kill his father's killer and another Goa'uld that killed one of his old flames. That seems very Un-Stargate like. The Doctors need to die at least once in every series. Well now that I think about it, it might have to do with Universe's cancellation, since it won't be as easy to remind their fanbase "Look we are over here! Buy this book!" thats been the way a lot of companies get people into buying __________ blank products based off a television series, like Transformers, Power Rangers, etc. The only real excusable mention was the movies since the tough economy = impact DVD sales. If the guys with the thick pockets can't make them any thicker they aren't going to put the money out. |
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Post by Crom-Cruach on May 21, 2011 18:08:54 GMT -5
Honestly when I think about the system lords, I'm not bothered by how a lot of them got punked. In makes perfect sense to me since they have two flaws that are absolutely killer in warfare.
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Sgu is by far the best stargate series... This is what star trek voyager should have been.
