Pirateking69
Team Buster Ledger
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Post by Pirateking69 on May 28, 2011 11:06:03 GMT -5
What about Majestic? Does he have a ranking? I can\'t find him anywhere. Med 4 on the tier..I had asked about him pages back and he got ranked there |
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Post by Erik-El on May 28, 2011 11:21:46 GMT -5
Kick-Ass is a 2. Nothing he has done in the series warrants more than that unless you consider getting his head beat in a feat for 3. |
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Post by Erik-El on May 28, 2011 11:22:47 GMT -5
I think he was mentioned a while back. If he's super intelligent, and can build a complex machine in a panel, then I don't see why he can't or should not have learned all the martial arts in the world. I do not think we should count that. The Leader is just as smart if not smarter. Should we assume he has also learned every martial arts style in the world? |
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Post by Power NeXus on May 28, 2011 11:28:17 GMT -5
I think he was mentioned a while back. If he's super intelligent, and can build a complex machine in a panel, then I don't see why he can't or should not have learned all the martial arts in the world. I do not think we should count that. The Leader is just as smart if not smarter. Should we assume he has also learned every martial arts style in the world? Until he actually gives actual evidence of it on panel, I don't think we can just assume he has. |
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Post by Supreme Marvel on May 28, 2011 11:28:17 GMT -5
I think he was mentioned a while back. If he's super intelligent, and can build a complex machine in a panel, then I don't see why he can't or should not have learned all the martial arts in the world. I do not think we should count that. The Leader is just as smart if not smarter. Should we assume he has also learned every martial arts style in the world?  |
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Post by Supreme Marvel on May 28, 2011 11:29:17 GMT -5
I do not think we should count that. The Leader is just as smart if not smarter. Should we assume he has also learned every martial arts style in the world? Until he actually gives actual evidence of it on panel, I don't think we can just assume he has. |
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Post by Erik-El on May 28, 2011 11:30:26 GMT -5
I do not think we should count that. The Leader is just as smart if not smarter. Should we assume he has also learned every martial arts style in the world? Not true. The Leader's hyper intellect allows him to memorize things extremely fast. Intelligence is not enough. Unless you have some strictly h2h feats from Majestic, I cannot imagine him being placed very high. |
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Post by Supreme Marvel on May 28, 2011 11:32:22 GMT -5
Well Leader doesn't have super speed like Mr. Majestic. It'll take him a long time. While it should only take Majestic a few hours to learn everything. Not true. The Leader's hyper intellect allows him to memorize things extremely fast. Intelligence is not enough. Unless you have some strictly h2h feats from Majestic, I cannot imagine him being placed very high. |
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Post by Erik-El on May 28, 2011 11:35:13 GMT -5
Not true. The Leader's hyper intellect allows him to memorize things extremely fast. Intelligence is not enough. Unless you have some strictly h2h feats from Majestic, I cannot imagine him being placed very high. Right and by the time Leader has read that book, he has memorized every word. I am sure he can memorize as fast as he can turn pages or damn near it too. Even if it takes Leader a day to read what Majestic could read in an hour, it does not change the outcome. Your point does not prove anything. Certainly not why Majestic deserves even a moderate ranking. |
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Post by Power NeXus on May 28, 2011 11:39:54 GMT -5
Mysterio
Thanos
Jamie Madrox
Gladiator (Daredevil villian)
Cobra
Jean-Paul Valley
Doug Ramsey
(Also, I noticed Darth Nihilus is both in the low and mid 3 rankings)
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Post by Supreme Marvel on May 28, 2011 11:44:27 GMT -5
I meant super speed as in move fast with his body. By the time Leader has read a book, Majestic has read millions. That's the type of speed I was talking about. Right and by the time Leader has read that book, he has memorized every word. I am sure he can memorize as fast as he can turn pages or damn near it too. Even if it takes Leader a day to read what Majestic could read in an hour, it does not change the outcome. Your point does not prove anything. Certainly not why Majestic deserves even a moderate ranking.
My point wasn't to up him up the ranking system. My point was that if he had these powers why hasn't he done this. That was before I remembered Buckshot's Mr. Majestic's page. And it looks like he already has mastered some martial arts. |
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Post by Erik-El on May 28, 2011 11:46:35 GMT -5
Buckshot does not know nearly as much as his reputation implies and saying a master of armed and unarmed combat is still extremely vague. I consider Mockingbird a master of both as well.
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Post by Supreme Marvel on May 28, 2011 11:51:38 GMT -5
Buckshot does not know nearly as much as his reputation implies and saying a master of armed and unarmed combat is still extremely vague. I consider Mockingbird a master of both as well. |
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Post by Erik-El on May 28, 2011 11:55:40 GMT -5
Buckshot does not know nearly as much as his reputation implies and saying a master of armed and unarmed combat is still extremely vague. I consider Mockingbird a master of both as well. I disagree. Medium 4 is well beyond the normal education on combat, which is a 2. Buckshot may have read more than anyone on Wildstorm characters, but he is also known for blowing things out of proportion and spinning feats to win debates. See any debate with Midnighter for examples. |
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Post by Erik-El on May 28, 2011 12:11:22 GMT -5
 Real life world comparison: 1- Mentally or physically handicapped. Likely to kill himself and/or his allies before his opponent. 2 - What the average person has. Ranging from no training of any kind to basic self defense classes that girls go to where they hit the guy in a foam body stocking. 3 - What the average person has traditional access to like a martial arts hobbyist or someone who does boxing on the weekends, or took basic in some military or something like that. 4 - Someone who has advanced fighting education or anything beyond basic military training. Such as a committed martial artist, trained professional fighter, special combat force, etc etc etc. 5 - A cut above 4. Lifelong martial arts practitioner. The guy that wears the karate gi to the dinner table. Recognized martial arts instructors/masters. 6 - Where things start to get a little crazy. The real world equivalent would know nothing other than martial arts. Could not do math without using martial arts to do it I.E. "I don't know what 2 - 2 is but I know that if I kick off 2 heads, I am left with 0 heads". 7 - Logically impossible in the real world. Such as mastery of every martial arts in a compressed time frame like 10 years or whatevs. Tier 1Hydra Bob Wylde Tier 2Adrian Toomes Alex Merkel Apocalypse Armless Tiger Man Bloodscream Carnage Crossfire Deadzone Eddie Brock Human Torch Killer Croc Reed Richards Rhino Riddler Scorpion Sentry Shocker Static Strong Guy Uncle Sam Tier 3LowAtomic Knight Banshee Black Tom Blob Caliban Dr. Aesop Firebrand Flash - Wally West Geo-Force Harvey Dent Komodo League of Assassin (average member) Magneto Mr. Sinister Nightfighter Norman Osborn Quicksilver Rage Sauron Solomon Grundy Stormtrooper Tigra Tony Stark Triathlon Wolfsbane MidAlfred Darth Nihilus Deadshot Eddie Brock Iceman Looker Rorschach Silver Surfer Stargirl Tombstone Wildcat 3 (Tom) HighBlack Lightning Callisto Captain Atom Dark Hawk Dark Nebula Forge Hellcat Joker Jubilee Martian Manhunter Nova Owlman Spider-Man Susan Storm Tier 4LowAsgardians Aurra Sing Beast Bengal Bishop Black Knight Captain Marvel Casey Jones Champion of the Universe Creeper Cyber-Cat Cyborg Diana Prince - Wonder Woman Doc Samson Doll Man 2 Donatello Gorilla Man Helmut Zemo Hercules Hit-Girl Holly Robinson Huntress Jessica Drew Morbius Mordin Morlun Namor Oracle Power Girl Rick Jones Roughouse Scandal Savage Starkiller Stephen Strange Storm Superman Vandal Savage Warpath Warmachine Web Zaran MedAshoka Tano Black Condor (John) Black Spectre Cardiac Damian Wayne Harley Quinn Hawkeye Hawkgirl Hawkman Hellboy Jeannette Luke Cage Magog Moondragon Mr. Majestic Nightcrawler Patriot Sinestro WI? Spider-Man HighBalder Ben Skywalker Birdie Cyclops Falcon Fantomex Hush Jackaroo Kingpin Lady Vic Mark Richards Michelangelo Ms. Marvel Naga Sadow Nick Fury Omega Red Paladin Raphael Razorfist - current Renee Montoya Sabretooth She-Cat She-Hulk Stephen Strange Tahiri Veila Talia Al' Ghul Thing Thor Ultimate Gambit Tier 5LowAdam-X Agent Zero Balrog Batwoman Black Tarantula Blade Catman Conan Cylla Darth Traya Durge Finesse Frank Castle Gambit Gideon Green Arrow - Ollie Grifter Hellhound Hercules Jango Fett Judomaster Kitty Pryde Lady Deathstrike Lei Kung The Thunderer Mandarin Qui-Gon Jinn Ra's Al Ghul Raoul Bushman Roy Sarah Pezini Scarlett Shield Shuri Silver Sable Stephanie Brown Stryfe Tim Drake US Agent Zangief MedAdon Alyosha Kravinoff - Al Kraven Boba Fett Cable Catwoman Colleen Wing Domino Edmond Honda Jaden Korr Jason Todd Ki'Adi Mundi Kit Fisto Leonardo Misty Knight Mocingbird Moon Knight Natasha Romanova - Black Widow Obi-Wan Kenobi Plo Koon Shaak Ti Shatterstar Splinter Tulak Hord Ultimate T'Challa US Agent Wildcat Zuko HighCammy White Cheshire Darth Maul General Grievous Kyp Durron Lumiya Mara Jade Patience - Magdalena Sergei Kravinoff - Kraven The Hunter Shrike Terry McGinnis Vega Victor Sage Tier 6LowArcher Braun Batroc Bullseye Charlie Nash Chun-Li Cyber Cyclone Darth Tyranus Darth Vader David Allyne Deadpool Death's Head 2 Echo Elektra Fat Cobra Jaina Solo King Snake Kyle Katarn Midnighter Mystique Ord Psylocke Puck Ravager Splice Tigress Med Bucky Barnes - Captain America Crossbones Darth Zannah Dick Grayson Gamora Lt. Smith Mace Windu Mantis Shang-Chi Silver Samurai Ulic Qel-Droma Ultimate Steve Rogers Victor Sagat William Guile - Colonel X-23 Yoda HighBane Black Canary Cat Conner Hawke Daredevil Darth Caedus - Jacen Solo Davos - Steel Phoenix Deathstroke Drakon Gorgon Ian Nottingham John Aman - Prince of Orphans Katana Ken Masters Mandarin M. Bison Orson Randall Ryu Steve Rogers Stormshadow T'Challa Ultimate Nuke White Canary Tier 7LowAkuma Backlash Bronze Tiger Daken Darth Bane Darth Sidious David Cain Exar Kun Gouken Jin Nemesis Ogun Snake Eyes Ultimate Red Skull Zealot MedBruce Wayne Luke Skywalker O-Sensei Wolverine HighCassandra Cain Daniel Rand - Iron Fist Lady Shiva Mister X Richard Dragon Sensei Taskmaster Temugin |
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Post by Supreme Marvel on May 28, 2011 12:11:46 GMT -5
He's the one that's read his comics and most probably a majority of his appearances. Having the title of master of armed and unarmed combat would still make him higher than what he is now. I disagree. Medium 4 is well beyond the normal education on combat, which is a 2. Buckshot may have read more than anyone on Wildstorm characters, but he is also known for blowing things out of proportion and spinning feats to win debates. See any debate with Midnighter for examples.
And I wish I could spin feats to win debates. |
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Post by Erik-El on May 28, 2011 12:20:16 GMT -5
I agree. The term "master of armed/unarmed combat" is too ambiguous. It can have several meanings without being literal. I do not consider the title to mean anything. Champion of the Universe anyone?
You want Majestic placed higher, you must do so with feats. Given his power set, that will be more difficult than I have proving Wonder Woman's fighting ability and I can tell you now that I have my work cut out for me.
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Post by Morpheus on May 28, 2011 12:23:46 GMT -5
Mysterio Thanos Jamie Madrox Gladiator (Daredevil villian) Cobra Jean-Paul Valley Doug Ramsey (Also, I noticed Darth Nihilus is both in the low and mid 3 rankings)
Madrox has exhibited decent h2h skills and one of his dupes actually trained among Shaolin monks. I think somewhere in the class 4 rank should be good for him.
Pretty sure Gladiator is ranked already.
Not sure to which Cobra you're referring to.
I thought JPV is ranked already, as well?
I've seen Doug utilize his body reading ability and kinda embarass the New Mutans during Necrosha, but I'm not sure if he actually knows any MA beyond that ability. |
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Post by Supreme Marvel on May 28, 2011 12:24:46 GMT -5
I agree. The term "master of armed/unarmed combat" is too ambiguous. It can have several meanings without being literal. I do not consider the title to mean anything. Champion of the Universe anyone? You want Majestic placed higher, you must do so with feats. Given his power set, that will be more difficult than I have proving Wonder Woman's fighting ability and I can tell you now that I have my work cut out for me.
Wonder Woman, I would say she was higher than were she is now. I would have thought most of the Amazonians were around a 4, the best maybe low 5, but Diana is the best. And she's learned more outside of Themiscyra, training with the likes of Batman and co. I would say she was easily Med' 5 at the least. |
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Post by Erik-El on May 28, 2011 12:36:57 GMT -5
Believe me, WW is much higher than that. I am compiling the respect thread to end all respect threads for her.
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