Comic character fighting skill rankings

[creator]

May 30, 2011 9:55:32 GMT -5 Erik-El said:

May 29, 2011 18:06:41 GMT -5 Supreme Marvel said:

Would you be interested in doing a 'strength' version of this?

Creator will be doing those threads here shortly.

As part of the Power Grids I will be asking all Ledgers (or all those willing to ) to help populate a the grids for a lot of characteristics and powers.
There will be grids for Intelligence, Strength, Endurance, Reaction Speed, Movement Speed, Hand to hand Fighting skill (so expanding what you have done here to 30 ranks), Gun Fighting skill, Melee weapon Fighting skill etc.
I will be posting 3 or 4 threads at a time in the near future.

[Supreme Marvel]

Cool. I'm loving it.

Is it just mainstream character we are using? As in main universe for characters? Like Superman from New Earth/Earth 0? And not Earth 22.

[Matezoide]

May 30, 2011 15:36:25 GMT -5 Admin said:

May 30, 2011 15:14:32 GMT -5 Silver said:

Eh. To be honest, I preferred the system as it was before, but I will comply with this.

Agreed.

same

i am okay with this one though

[creator]

May 30, 2011 16:02:08 GMT -5 Supreme Marvel said:

Cool. I'm loving it.

Is it just mainstream character we are using? As in main universe for characters? Like Superman from New Earth/Earth 0? And not Earth 22.

Any character as long as we can try and realistically rank them (some characters have so few appearances that there is simply no evidence to base their abilities on).

[ckal]

May 30, 2011 15:52:59 GMT -5 creator said:

May 30, 2011 9:55:32 GMT -5 Erik-El said:

Creator will be doing those threads here shortly.

As part of the Power Grids I will be asking all Ledgers (or all those willing to ) to help populate a the grids for a lot of characteristics and powers.
There will be grids for Intelligence, Strength, Endurance, Reaction Speed, Movement Speed, Hand to hand Fighting skill (so expanding what you have done here to 30 ranks), Gun Fighting skill, Melee weapon Fighting skill etc.
I will be posting 3 or 4 threads at a time in the near future.

This is going to be a massive task, but no other site is better for it than the Comics Ledger. I believe we are up to the challenge my friend.

[Matezoide]

May 30, 2011 16:41:58 GMT -5 ckal said:

May 30, 2011 15:52:59 GMT -5 creator said:

As part of the Power Grids I will be asking all Ledgers (or all those willing to ) to help populate a the grids for a lot of characteristics and powers.
There will be grids for Intelligence, Strength, Endurance, Reaction Speed, Movement Speed, Hand to hand Fighting skill (so expanding what you have done here to 30 ranks), Gun Fighting skill, Melee weapon Fighting skill etc.
I will be posting 3 or 4 threads at a time in the near future.

This is going to be a massive task, but no other site is better for it than the Comics Ledger. I believe we are up to the challenge my friend.

f*ck yeah

[Erik-El]

@silver, k4tz, Morph:

Why? The previous system is not as specific as this one and now characters can be more accurately placed. We no longer have to worry about Character A being in the same level as Character B when many feel they do not belong together but are not far enough away to warrant a tier change.

Besides, it is not like I unwound the fabric of the universe and upended the list entirely. The entire list was moved to its equivalent value on this list. Moving from 18 tiers to 30 is not that big of a difference.

[Erik-El]

Tier 1
Hydra Bob
Wylde


Tier 2
Adrian Toomes
Alex Merkel
Apocalypse
Armless Tiger Man
Bloodscream
Carnage
Crossfire
Deadzone
Eddie Brock
Human Torch
Kick-Ass
Killer Croc
Reed Richards
Rhino
Riddler
Scorpion
Sentry
Shocker
Static
Strong Guy
Uncle Sam

Tier 3
Atomic Knight
Banshee
Black Tom
Blob
Caliban
Dr. Aesop
Firebrand
Flash - Wally West
Geo-Force
Harvey Dent
Komodo
League of Assassin (average member)
Magneto
Mr. Sinister
Nightfighter
Norman Osborn
Quicksilver
Rage
Sauron
Solomon Grundy
Stormtrooper
Tigra
Tony Stark
Triathlon
Wolfsbane

Tier 4
Alfred
Darth Nihilus
Deadshot
Eddie Brock
Iceman
Looker
Rorschach
Silver Surfer
Stargirl
Tombstone
Wildcat 3 (Tom)

Tier 5
Black Lightning
Callisto
Captain Atom
Dark Hawk
Dark Nebula
Forge
Hellcat
Joker
Jubilee
Martian Manhunter
Nova
Owlman
Spider-Man
Susan Storm

Tier 6

Tier 7

Tier 8
Asgardians
Aurra Sing
Beast
Bengal
Bishop
Black Knight
Captain Marvel
Casey Jones
Champion of the Universe
Creeper
Cyber-Cat
Cyborg
Doc Samson
Doll Man 2
Donatello
Gorilla Man
Helmut Zemo
Hercules
Hit-Girl
Holly Robinson
Huntress
Jessica Drew
Morbius
Mordin
Morlun
Namor
Oracle
Power Girl
Rick Jones
Roughouse
Scandal Savage
Starkiller
Stephen Strange
Storm
Superman
Vandal Savage
Warpath
Warmachine
Web
Zaran

Tier 9
Ashoka Tano
Black Condor (John)
Black Spectre
Cardiac
Damian Wayne
Gladiator
Harley Quinn
Hawkgirl
Hawkman
Hellboy
Jeannette
Luke Cage
Magog
Moondragon
Mr. Majestic
Nightcrawler
Patriot
Sinestro
WI? Spider-Man

Tier 10
Balder
Ben Skywalker
Birdie
Cyclops
Falcon
Fantomex
Hawkeye
Hush
Jackaroo
Kingpin
Lady Vic
Mark Richards
Michelangelo
Ms. Marvel
Naga Sadow
Nick Fury
Omega Red
Paladin
Raphael
Razorfist - current
Renee Montoya
Sabretooth
She-Cat
She-Hulk
Stephen Strange
Tahiri Veila
Talia Al' Ghul
Thing
Thor
Ultimate Gambit

Tier 11

Tier 12

Tier 13
Adam-X
Agent Zero
Balrog
Batwoman
Black Tarantula
Blade
Catman
Conan
Cylla
Darth Traya
Durge
Finesse
Frank Castle
Gambit
Gideon
Green Arrow - Ollie
Grifter
Hellhound
Hercules
Jango Fett
Judomaster
Kitty Pryde
Lady Deathstrike
Lei Kung The Thunderer
Mandarin
Qui-Gon Jinn
Ra's Al Ghul
Raoul Bushman
Roy
Sarah Pezini
Scarlett
Shield
Shuri
Silver Sable
Stephanie Brown
Stryfe
Tim Drake
US Agent
Zangief

Tier 14
Adon
Alyosha Kravinoff - Al Kraven
Boba Fett
Cable
Catwoman
Colleen Wing
Domino
Edmond Honda
Jaden Korr
Jason Todd
Ki'Adi Mundi
Kit Fisto
Leonardo
Misty Knight
Mocingbird
Moon Knight
Natasha Romanova - Black Widow
Obi-Wan Kenobi
Plo Koon
Shaak Ti
Shatterstar
Splinter
Tulak Hord
Ultimate T'Challa
US Agent
Wildcat
Zuko

Tier 15
Cammy White
Cheshire
Darth Maul
General Grievous
Kyp Durron
Lumiya
Mara Jade
Patience - Magdalena
Sergei Kravinoff - Kraven The Hunter
Shrike
Terry McGinnis
Vega
Victor Sage

Tier 16

Tier 17

Tier 18
Archer Braun
Batroc
Bullseye
Charlie Nash
Chun-Li
Cyber
Cyclone
Darth Tyranus
Darth Vader
David Allyne
Deadpool
Death's Head 2
Echo
Elektra
Fat Cobra
Jaina Solo
King Snake
Kyle Katarn
Midnighter
Mystique
Ord
Psylocke
Puck
Ravager
Splice
Tigress

Tier 19
Bucky Barnes - Captain America
Crossbones
Darth Zannah
Dick Grayson
Gamora
Lt. Smith
Mace Windu
Mantis
Shang-Chi
Silver Samurai
Ulic Qel-Droma
Ultimate Steve Rogers
Victor Sagat
William Guile - Colonel
X-23
Yoda

Tier 20
Bane
Black Canary
Cat
Conner Hawke
Daredevil
Darth Caedus - Jacen Solo
Davos - Steel Phoenix
Deathstroke
Drakon
Gorgon
Ian Nottingham
John Aman - Prince of Orphans
Katana
Ken Masters
Mandarin
M. Bison
Orson Randall
Ryu
Steve Rogers
Stormshadow
T'Challa
Ultimate Nuke
White Canary

Tier 21

Tier 22

Tier 23
Akuma
Backlash
Bronze Tiger
Daken
Darth Bane
Darth Sidious
David Cain
Exar Kun
Gouken
Jin
Nemesis
Ogun
Snake Eyes
Ultimate Red Skull
Zealot

Tier 24
Bruce Wayne
Luke Skywalker
O-Sensei
Wolverine

Tier 25
Cassandra Cain
Daniel Rand - Iron Fist
Lady Shiva
Mister X
Richard Dragon
Sensei
Taskmaster
Temugin

Tier 26

Tier 27

Tier 28

Tier 29
Karate Kid

Tier 30
Batman 1,000,000

[Supreme Marvel]

May 30, 2011 18:29:06 GMT -5 Erik-El said:

@silver, k4tz, Morph:

Why? The previous system is not as specific as this one and now characters can be more accurately placed. We no longer have to worry about Character A being in the same level as Character B when many feel they do not belong together but are not far enough away to warrant a tier change.

I agree. I initially wanted a 10 tier system. 30 seems easy.

[Erik-El]

Here is my adapted list comparison for those who just are completely at a loss for words at the slightly modified system:

1- Mentally or physically handicapped. Likely to kill himself and/or his allies before his opponent.

2 - What the average person has. Ranging from no training of any kind to basic self defense classes that girls go to where they hit the guy in a foam body stocking.

3-7 - What the average person has traditional access to like a martial arts hobbyist or someone who does boxing on the weekends, or took basic in some military or something like that.

8-12 - Someone who has advanced fighting education or anything beyond basic military training. Such as a committed martial artist, trained professional fighter, special combat force, etc etc etc.

13-17 - A cut above the previous. Lifelong martial arts practitioner. The guy that wears the karate gi to the dinner table. Recognized martial arts instructors/masters.

18-22 - Where things start to get a little crazy. The real world equivalent would know nothing other than martial arts. Could not do math without using martial arts to do it I.E. "I don't know what 2 - 2 is but I know that if I kick off 2 heads, I am left with 0 heads".

23-27 - Logically impossible in the real world. Such as mastery of every martial arts in a compressed time frame like 10 years or whatevs.

28-30 - Physically impossible in the real world and damn near impossible even by comic book standards.

[Dane]

tbh, I'd put Luke at lvl 26-27. He was as good at duelling as Darth Vader was after only 1 year of training.

Sure, Anakin wasn't as fast in his cyborg body but he still took down plenty of Jedi Masters as Darth Vader and Luke was matching him after 1 year with very little/no instruction. Think of how skilled and powerful he becomes after decades of training. By the time Luke becomes Grand Master I have no doubt at all that he would rock the face of anyone on Tier 25 or below.

[Erik-El]

Not Deadpool. His unpredictable nature would confuse Luke and cause him to collapse, questioning the powers of the force.

[Supreme Marvel]

Is this strictly Hand to Hand combat? Or just combat with weapons?

[Dane]

May 30, 2011 19:14:48 GMT -5 Erik-El said:

Not Deadpool. His unpredictable nature would allow him to die instantly and be returned to the force.

Fixed.

[ckal]

May 30, 2011 19:13:14 GMT -5 Dane said:

tbh, I'd put Luke at lvl 26-27. He was as good at duelling as Darth Vader was after only 1 year of training.

Sure, Anakin wasn't as fast in his cyborg body but he still took down plenty of Jedi Masters as Darth Vader and Luke was matching him after 1 year with very little/no instruction. Think of how skilled and powerful he becomes after decades of training. By the time Luke becomes Grand Master I have no doubt at all that he would rock the face of anyone on Tier 25 or below.

Unless Luke has shown actual on page improvement from his first year to his thirtieth year, or has much more impressive skill showings later in life, you can not use that as an argument.

[Erik-El]

May 30, 2011 19:17:44 GMT -5 Supreme Marvel said:

Is this strictly Hand to Hand combat? Or just combat with weapons?

Both are considered really. Some characters specialize in a specific type of combat such as swords or whatever.

[Erik-El]

May 30, 2011 19:20:04 GMT -5 Dane said:

May 30, 2011 19:14:48 GMT -5 Erik-El said:

Not Deadpool. His unpredictable nature would allow him to die instantly and be returned to the force.

Fixed.

Lol.

[Erik-El]

May 30, 2011 20:05:17 GMT -5 ckal said:

May 30, 2011 19:13:14 GMT -5 Dane said:

tbh, I'd put Luke at lvl 26-27. He was as good at duelling as Darth Vader was after only 1 year of training.

Sure, Anakin wasn't as fast in his cyborg body but he still took down plenty of Jedi Masters as Darth Vader and Luke was matching him after 1 year with very little/no instruction. Think of how skilled and powerful he becomes after decades of training. By the time Luke becomes Grand Master I have no doubt at all that he would rock the face of anyone on Tier 25 or below.

Unless Luke has shown actual on page improvement from his first year to his thirtieth year, or has much more impressive skill showings later in life, you can not use that as an argument.

He becomes the best duelist ever from what Silver told me.

[ckal]

It is my understanding we are only allowed to use strictly comic book showings, not novels, games, movies, tv shows, etc. I don't know because I haven't read Star Wars comics, so this is why I'm asking. If Luke has been shown to be the best duelist in comics, or had some serious skill showings over the Darth Vader one Dane previously mentioned, then cool.

[Erik-El]

I think Star Wars is a different animal though. Its novels, movies, and comics all share the same universe.