Comic character fighting skill rankings

[Erik-El]

Real life world comparison:
1- Mentally or physically handicapped. Likely to kill himself and/or his allies before his opponent.

2 - What the average person has. Ranging from no training of any kind to basic self defense classes that girls go to where they hit the guy in a foam body stocking.

3 - What the average person has traditional access to like a martial arts hobbyist or someone who does boxing on the weekends, or took basic in some military or something like that.

4 - Someone who has advanced fighting education or anything beyond basic military training. Such as a committed martial artist, trained professional fighter, special combat force, etc etc etc.

5 - A cut above 4. Lifelong martial arts practitioner. The guy that wears the karate gi to the dinner table. Recognized martial arts instructors/masters.

6 - Where things start to get a little crazy. The real world equivalent would know nothing other than martial arts. Could not do math without using martial arts to do it I.E. "I don't know what 2 - 2 is but I know that if I kick off 2 heads, I am left with 0 heads".

7 - Logically impossible in the real world. Such as mastery of every martial arts in a compressed time frame like 10 years or whatevs.


Tier 1
Hydra Bob
Wylde


Tier 2
Adrian Toomes
Alex Merkel
Apocalypse
Armless Tiger Man
Bloodscream
Carnage
Crossfire
Deadzone
Eddie Brock
Human Torch
Killer Croc
Reed Richards
Rhino
Riddler
Scorpion
Sentry
Shocker
Static
Strong Guy
Uncle Sam


Tier 3
Low
Atomic Knight
Banshee
Black Tom
Blob
Caliban
Darth Nihilus
Dr. Aesop
Firebrand
Flash - Wally West
Geo-Force
Harvey Dent
Komodo
League of Assassin (average member)
Magneto
Mr. Sinister
Nightfighter
Norman Osborn
Quicksilver
Rage
Sauron
Solomon Grundy
Stormtrooper
Tigra
Tony Stark
Triathlon
Wolfsbane

Mid
Alfred
Darth Nihilus
Deadshot
Eddie Brock
Iceman
Looker
Rorschach
Silver Surfer
Stargirl
Tombstone
Wildcat 3 (Tom)

High
Black Lightning
Callisto
Captain Atom
Dark Hawk
Dark Nebula
Forge
Hellcat
Joker
Jubilee
Martian Manhunter
Nova
Owlman
Spider-Man
Susan Storm


Tier 4
Low
Asgardians
Aurra Sing
Beast
Bengal
Bishop
Black Knight
Captain Marvel
Casey Jones
Champion of the Universe
Creeper
Cyber-Cat
Cyborg
Diana Prince - Wonder Woman
Doc Samson
Doll Man 2
Donatello
Gorilla Man
Helmut Zemo
Hercules
Hit-Girl
Holly Robinson
Huntress
Jessica Drew
Morbius
Mordin
Morlun
Namor
Oracle
Power Girl
Rick Jones
Roughouse
Scandal Savage
Starkiller
Stephen Strange
Storm
Superman
Vandal Savage
Warpath
Warmachine
Web
Zaran

Med
Ashoka Tano
Black Condor (John)
Black Spectre
Cardiac
Damian Wayne
Harley Quinn
Hawkeye
Hawkgirl
Hawkman
Hellboy
Jeannette
Luke Cage
Magog
Moondragon
Mr. Majestic
Nightcrawler
Patriot
Sinestro
WI? Spider-Man

High
Balder
Ben Skywalker
Birdie
Cyclops
Falcon
Fantomex
Hush
Jackaroo
Kingpin
Lady Vic
Mark Richards
Michelangelo
Ms. Marvel
Naga Sadow
Nick Fury
Omega Red
Paladin
Raphael
Razorfist - current
Renee Montoya
Sabretooth
She-Cat
She-Hulk
Stephen Strange
Tahiri Veila
Talia Al' Ghul
Thing
Thor
Ultimate Gambit


Tier 5
Low
Adam-X
Agent Zero
Balrog
Batwoman
Black Tarantula
Blade
Catman
Conan
Cylla
Darth Traya
Durge
Finesse
Frank Castle
Gambit
Gideon
Green Arrow - Ollie
Grifter
Hellhound
Hercules
Jango Fett
Judomaster
Kitty Pryde
Lady Deathstrike
Lei Kung The Thunderer
Mandarin
Qui-Gon Jinn
Ra's Al Ghul
Raoul Bushman
Roy
Sarah Pezini
Scarlett
Shield
Shuri
Silver Sable
Stephanie Brown
Stryfe
Tim Drake
US Agent
Zangief

Med
Adon
Alyosha Kravinoff - Al Kraven
Boba Fett
Cable
Catwoman
Colleen Wing
Domino
Edmond Honda
Jaden Korr
Jason Todd
Ki'Adi Mundi
Kit Fisto
Leonardo
Misty Knight
Mocingbird
Moon Knight
Natasha Romanova - Black Widow
Obi-Wan Kenobi
Plo Koon
Shaak Ti
Shatterstar
Splinter
Tulak Hord
Ultimate T'Challa
US Agent
Wildcat
Zuko

High
Cammy White
Cheshire
Darth Maul
General Grievous
Kyp Durron
Lumiya
Mara Jade
Patience - Magdalena
Sergei Kravinoff - Kraven The Hunter
Shrike
Terry McGinnis
Vega
Victor Sage


Tier 6
Low
Archer Braun
Batroc
Bullseye
Charlie Nash
Chun-Li
Cyber
Cyclone
Darth Tyranus
Darth Vader
David Allyne
Deadpool
Death's Head 2
Echo
Elektra
Fat Cobra
Jaina Solo
King Snake
Kyle Katarn
Midnighter
Mystique
Ord
Psylocke
Puck
Ravager
Splice
Tigress

Med
Bucky Barnes - Captain America
Crossbones
Darth Zannah
Dick Grayson
Gamora
Lt. Smith
Mace Windu
Mantis
Shang-Chi
Silver Samurai
Ulic Qel-Droma
Ultimate Steve Rogers
Victor Sagat
William Guile - Colonel
X-23
Yoda

High
Bane
Black Canary
Cat
Conner Hawke
Daredevil
Darth Caedus - Jacen Solo
Davos - Steel Phoenix
Deathstroke
Drakon
Gorgon
Ian Nottingham
John Aman - Prince of Orphans
Katana
Ken Masters
Mandarin
M. Bison
Orson Randall
Ryu
Steve Rogers
Stormshadow
T'Challa
Ultimate Nuke
White Canary


Tier 7
Low
Akuma
Backlash
Bronze Tiger
Daken
Darth Bane
Darth Sidious
David Cain
Exar Kun
Gouken
Jin
Nemesis
Ogun
Snake Eyes
Ultimate Red Skull
Zealot

Med
Bruce Wayne
Luke Skywalker
O-Sensei
Wolverine

High
Cassandra Cain
Daniel Rand - Iron Fist
Lady Shiva
Mister X
Richard Dragon
Sensei
Taskmaster
Temugin

[ckal]

May 30, 2011 22:47:12 GMT -5 Erik-El said:

I think Star Wars is a different animal though. Its novels, movies, and comics all share the same universe.

I remember katz saying only comics allowed when talking about Street Fighter or MK rankings.

Even the title of this thread says it all: "comic character fighting skill rankings."

I understand it may limit certain Star Wars characters' potential in this thread, but they are the rules. I'd like to hear what others have to say on this matter.

[Dane]

May 30, 2011 20:05:17 GMT -5 ckal said:

May 30, 2011 19:13:14 GMT -5 Dane said:

tbh, I'd put Luke at lvl 26-27. He was as good at duelling as Darth Vader was after only 1 year of training.

Sure, Anakin wasn't as fast in his cyborg body but he still took down plenty of Jedi Masters as Darth Vader and Luke was matching him after 1 year with very little/no instruction. Think of how skilled and powerful he becomes after decades of training. By the time Luke becomes Grand Master I have no doubt at all that he would rock the face of anyone on Tier 25 or below.

Unless Luke has shown actual on page improvement from his first year to his thirtieth year, or has much more impressive skill showings later in life, you can not use that as an argument.

Well yeah, he does. He was able to defeat the Emperor in a clone body. That is the Emperor, who mastered every lightsaber form in existence, who in his old age stalemated Yoda and beat every other Jedi he encountered put into a body at the peak of his youth. Luke beat him. Luke also beat the greatest warriors of the Yuuzhan Vong, The Dark Lady of the Sith Lumiya, Darth Caedus, and numerous other Darkside users. He later learned the Shatterpoint ability which allows him to see weaknesses in defence, plans, etc like Mace Windu had. He not only mastered all of the lightsaber styles he encountered, he also created new ones of his own and taught them to the New Jedi Order. During some of his battles, even other powerful Jedi claim that Luke looked like a blur to them.

Honestly, his feats in the Expanded Universe completely dwarf his feats in the original trilogy.

[Erik-El]

May 30, 2011 22:51:06 GMT -5 ckal said:

May 30, 2011 22:47:12 GMT -5 Erik-El said:

I think Star Wars is a different animal though. Its novels, movies, and comics all share the same universe.

I remember katz saying only comics allowed when talking about Street Fighter or MK rankings.

Even the title of this thread says it all: "comic character fighting skill rankings."

I'd like to hear what others have to say on this matter.

I agree with him on that too. MK games have a different universe than MK comics. So only comics should be considered. Star Wars is different though.

[ckal]

dane- This is all I was waiting to hear. As long as this all happened in comic books, of course. I've always loved Star Wars and the Jedi/Sith, and Luke Skywalker, so he's cool in my book. I've just never read any Star Wars comics.

[Dane]

May 30, 2011 22:54:35 GMT -5 ckal said:

dane- This is all I was waiting to hear. As long as this all happened in comic books, of course. I've always loved Star Wars and the Jedi/Sith, and Luke Skywalker, so he's cool in my book. I've just never read any Star Wars comics.

There are a huge amount of SW Comics. A lot of those feats are originally from novels but comics set after those events, i.e. Star Wars: Legacy all act as if they're part of the story. Basically movies, novels, comics, video games are all part of the same canon for Star Wars.

[Dane]

Which makes Star Wars: The Old Republic even more exciting. Because it'll be player-driven Star Wars canon that picks up just after Knights of the Old Republic.

[ckal]

I realize they are all the same cannon, or virtually the same cannon. I was just under the impression we were taking feats solely from comic books. If you guys agree you want to treat Star Wars differently because there are different mediums which are the same cannon, that's fine with me.

[Dane]

I can compile a comic-book only feat selection for Luke.

It'll take awhile to dig up the comics though.

[ckal]

I wouldn't go through the trouble unless it is something you really want to do. No need to prove anything to me Dane, I trust you man.

[Dane]

May 30, 2011 23:07:38 GMT -5 ckal said:

I wouldn't go through the trouble unless it is something you really want to do. No need to prove anything to me Dane, I trust you man.

Once I get my collection together I might make a respect thread for Luke. But for now it's not a gripping priority. Thanks for the trust, I can understand why people wouldn't believe it given his haircut.

[Silver]

Sorry, Dane, but if anyone is to make a Luke respect threads, it's me.

No, but seriously, I would love for there to be a comprehensive respect thread for Luke, but he just has too many freaking powers. And of course, gathering quotes from novels, where most of his best feats occur, takes time. I may and probably will at some point create a respect thread for him, but it would just be a rudimentary thread explaining his primary abilities. Trying to layout all of his powers is too much of a challenge. Honestly, I can't even name all of his powers, there are so many. And then, in addition to his powers, I would have to cite his dueling feats, strategic skill, aviation, etc.

[Dane]

@silver all yours if you want it sir. Luke's not actually my fav. SW character, even if he is the most powerful.

[Silver]

Dane: Whenever I get around to it. Luke is one of my favorite Star Wars characters, and I would like to create one sometime.

[Dane]

@silver all good. Luke's one of my favorites too. Just not my all-time favorite.

[Erik-El]

Due to popular demand, the system has been switched back to the 7 tier system. Now you guys can start posting in it again.

[Admin]

Silvermane - 2
Brainstorm - 3
Solo - 5
Prowler - low 4

[Morpheus]

h2h Feats for Solo, herr K4tz?

[Admin]

IHMO hasn't had the opportunity to demonstrate against a big name in technique, but his bios/trainings seem to justify a low 5. Feats are limited, but provided in Solo v Moon Knight.

[Matezoide]

Jun 1, 2011 14:40:41 GMT -5 Erik-El said:

Due to popular demand, the system has been switched back to the 7 tier system. Now you guys can start posting in it again.

IMO,most people were just used to the 7 system,that's prety much why i wasnt a big fan of it,but i think it is more accurate