What comics have disappointed you the most?

[Morpheus]

May 29, 2011 7:44:45 GMT -5 Phantom Stargrave said:

May 29, 2011 7:36:55 GMT -5 Morpheus said:

I liked Reign in Hell (and so did Phantom, who recommended it to me). It's difficult for me not to like anything Giffen has written. Even his joke books read better than the best work of lesser writers.

I got the idea that you didn't like RiH....

I thought it could have been a lot better, but the end result was still worth a read.

[Morpheus]

May 29, 2011 7:49:38 GMT -5 Killshot Caine said:

May 29, 2011 7:36:55 GMT -5 Morpheus said:

I didn't expect much from Silent War, Infinite Crisis, HoM, Beyond! or Siege to be really disappointed. Maybe because I read them long after they concluded.

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Well I didn't really expect much from Beyond..I would have liked to have seen Firebird and Medusa do more because they I like both characters and they don't really get to do anything half the time.I expect great things from all Marvel's Major events.I thought Siege was when Marvel was going to finally pick it up.At the time it came out I was damn near hating Marvel.So when Siege came and went I was so disappointed.They completely ruined Sentry (whom you know is a fav of mine) the ending was sh#t, as usual with Marvel events and there was loads of PIS and jobbing.House of M wasn't a bad series I just didn't like the result.[/quote]


I generally try to keep a low profile in every Marvel big event. I haven't been really satisfied by any of them sans Annihilation and the Thanos Imperative (which is hardly an event, seeing that it was a 5 issue mini + a prologue and an epilogue one-shot). I expected more from the Heroic Age but that was more so a "brand" alteration rather than an event in itself.


The entire Siege storyarc was basically a rehash of New Avengers: Sentry. Only that instead of saving Sentry, the Avengers ended up killing him that time around. But at that point I was very much relieved that Dark Reign was over so I didn't mind that the story was poor. As for Sentry, it is better with him dead for now. We both know he isn't going to stay dead, but the character got the short end of the stick too many times to the point he ended up a parody of what he should have been. It's better to sideline him for a while rather than keep misusing him.

[Killshot Caine]

May 29, 2011 7:55:34 GMT -5 Morpheus said:

May 29, 2011 7:49:38 GMT -5 Killshot Caine said:

Well I didn't really expect much from Beyond..I would have liked to have seen Firebird and Medusa do more because they I like both characters and they don't really get to do anything half the time.I expect great things from all Marvel's Major events.I thought Siege was when Marvel was going to finally pick it up.At the time it came out I was damn near hating Marvel.So when Siege came and went I was so disappointed.They completely ruined Sentry (whom you know is a fav of mine) the ending was sh#t, as usual with Marvel events and there was loads of PIS and jobbing.House of M wasn't a bad series I just didn't like the result.

I generally try to keep a low profile in every Marvel big event. I haven't been really satisfied by any of them sans Annihilation and the Thanos Imperative (which is hardly an event, seeing that it was a 5 issue mini + a prologue and an epilogue one-shot). I expected more from the Heroic Age but that was more so a "brand" alteration rather than an event in itself.


The entire Siege storyarc was basically a rehash of New Avengers: Sentry. Only that instead of saving Sentry, the Avengers ended up killing him that time around. But at that point I was very much relieved that Dark Reign was over so I didn't mind that the story was poor. As for Sentry, it is better with him dead for now. We both know he isn't going to stay dead, but the character got the short end of the stick too many times to the point he ended up a parody of what he should have been. It's better to sideline him for a while rather than keep misusing him.

I hope he does stay dead.It's obvious they don't know what to do with Sentry.

[Morpheus]

May 29, 2011 8:11:49 GMT -5 Killshot Caine said:

I hope he does stay dead.It's obvious they don't know what to do with Sentry.

I agree. I just think a writer might come along at some point with an actual plan of what to do with him.




Following Vance's example, I'll list a few recent series.


- Civil War
- ASM: Origin of the Species
- Heroic Age and onwards: Avengers
- Heroic Age and onwards: Invincible Iron Man
- Shadowland
- Kelly's Deadpool
- Aaron's Wolverine
- Aaron's Ghost Rider
- New Avengers during/post SI
- Daken/X-23: Collision
- Silver Surfer mini-series
- Fraction's Thor (pre Mighty # 1-2)
- Ultimates v3
- Mighty Avengers
- Dark Avengers
- Chaos War
- Infinite Crisis
- Blackest Night
- World of New Krypton
- War of the Superman
- Geoff's Green Lantern post Agent Orange

[Killshot Caine]

May 29, 2011 8:31:51 GMT -5 Morpheus said:

May 29, 2011 8:11:49 GMT -5 Killshot Caine said:

I hope he does stay dead.It's obvious they don't know what to do with Sentry.

I agree. I just think a writer might come along at some point with an actual plan of what to do with him.




Following Vance's example, I'll list a few recent series.


- Civil War
- ASM: Origin of the Species
- Heroic Age and onwards: Avengers
- Heroic Age and onwards: Invincible Iron Man
- Shadowland
- Kelly's Deadpool
- Aaron's Wolverine
- Aaron's Ghost Rider
- New Avengers during/post SI
- Daken/X-23: Collision
- Silver Surfer mini-series
- Fraction's Thor (pre Mighty # 1-2)
- Ultimates v3
- Mighty Avengers
- Dark Avengers
- Chaos War
- Infinite Crisis
- Blackest Night
- World of New Krypton
- War of the Superman
- Geoff's Green Lantern post Agent Orange

What was your issue with Civil War? I loved Civil War.Same with Mighty Avengers..which one were you most disappointed in..Bendis or Slott's? I like both honestly.I completely agree on the rest accept for on ASM and Blackest Night.I haven't read them.

[Lord Barbatos]

Cornells run on Action,after the awesome Lex story he had to give us this garbage Reign of Doomsday.

[Beatboks]

May 29, 2011 7:36:55 GMT -5 Morpheus said:

I liked Reign in Hell (and so did Phantom, who recommended it to me). It's difficult for me not to like anything Giffen has written. Even his joke books read better than the best work of lesser writers.

Considering how much flack I copped on the DC boards on the Shadowpack forum while it was running I concluded I HAD to be the only one who liked it. Glad to hear I wasn't completely alone

[Morpheus]

May 29, 2011 8:49:12 GMT -5 Killshot Caine said:

What was your issue with Civil War? I loved Civil War.Same with Mighty Avengers..which one were you most disappointed in..Bendis or Slott's? I like both honestly.I completely agree on the rest accept for on ASM and Blackest Night.I haven't read them.

I thought both the concept and the execution were rather problematic. Both Cap and Iron Man felt out of character to me, to the point the series was build and then placed them in certain de facto parts, without taking into account how those characters would actually act in the circumstances they were placed in.


I was more so referring to Slott's, since I read Bendis' female Ultron storyarc and I didn't have any real expectations afterwards (even though the following stories by Bendis did show an imrovement in quality). I had heard many great things, and the humour was indeed fine, but while the quality was not bad by any means, and it did live up to its premise (which was a throw-back to the old Avengers days), I think it may actually lived up to it a little too much.

[Phantom Stargrave]

May 29, 2011 8:31:51 GMT -5 Morpheus said:

- World of New Krypton
- War of the Superman

Ah yes, how could I forget this...



Also, as far I'm concerned, Civil War was a rather fun and entertaining book. But it completely failed in what it was supposed to do, which is deliver serious social commentary while being a fun and entertaining book. Anything beyond the superhero fights in Civil War was completely retarded.

[Morpheus]

The New Krypton Saga was the ultimate exercise in decompression. Instead of focusing on World of New Krypton, the series went on for nearly 80 issues with no real reason. I'm still glad I read it because I really wanted to be up to date with Superman, but still. Meh. Geoff's run on Supes was better by far.


Agreed on Civil War, even though the fights didn't make great sense, either, lol. Despite being nicely drawn and choreographed.

[Phantom Stargrave]

May 30, 2011 6:45:32 GMT -5 Morpheus said:

The New Krypton Saga was the ultimate exercise in decompression. Instead of focusing on World of New Krypton, the series went on for nearly 80 issues with no real reason.

It's like they were trying to out-Fraction Matt Fraction.


I remember talking to a guy who was convinced that every point in Civil War was completely legit. I sprained my eyes rolling them so hard.

[spidey_17]

May 29, 2011 8:31:51 GMT -5 Morpheus said:

May 29, 2011 8:11:49 GMT -5 Killshot Caine said:

I hope he does stay dead.It's obvious they don't know what to do with Sentry.

I agree. I just think a writer might come along at some point with an actual plan of what to do with him.




Following Vance's example, I'll list a few recent series.


- Civil War
- ASM: Origin of the Species
- Heroic Age and onwards: Avengers
- Heroic Age and onwards: Invincible Iron Man
- Shadowland
- Kelly's Deadpool
- Aaron's Wolverine
- Aaron's Ghost Rider
- New Avengers during/post SI
- Daken/X-23: Collision
- Silver Surfer mini-series
- Fraction's Thor (pre Mighty # 1-2)
- Ultimates v3
- Mighty Avengers
- Dark Avengers
- Chaos War
- Infinite Crisis
- Blackest Night
- World of New Krypton
- War of the Superman
- Geoff's Green Lantern post Agent Orange

You are disappointed from Aaron's Wolverine?
From what i have read( Manifest Destiny, Astonishing Spider-man/ Wolverine and the recent Wolverine series ) his writing on Logan is pretty decent.

[Morpheus]

I'm not disappointed by Manifest Destiny, Get Mystique, or Wolverine: Weapon X. I'm referring to the latest volume. Wolverine Goes to Hell and all that jazz.

[spidey_17]

Well, i found the arc kinda interesting though not something too special.

[chyrondave]

Just a few...

Civil War - Great idea that boiled down to hero on hero fighting.
House of M - Great premise that twisted into yet another alternate reality
Spider-Man: Back in Black - read more like a bunch of flashbacks
Spider-Man: One More Day - Not realy disappointing as it was insulting
World War Hulk - boiled down to mindless hero on hero fighting
Secret Invasion - Confusing idiocy

[devias]

May 29, 2011 7:43:26 GMT -5 Killshot Caine said:

May 29, 2011 7:37:37 GMT -5 NexusOfLight said:

Shadowland without a doubt. I remember when I first started readin' it, I said, "the only thing that'll make this a bad story is if Daredevil turns out to be possessed." Next issue, "Crud, Daredevil's possessed." It just completely cheapened everything that Matt did. After that event was over, I took a long break from Daredevil. Shoot, I'm still on that break. After I get done with my other stuff, I'll probably come back. Catch up on some trades when they come out.

I agree.I didn't like the possession idea.I liked the idea of Shadowland better before I found out about that.I also didn't like how it ended or how NOTHING happened in the tie-ins.Some of the tie-ins didn't even deal with the actual story.

But what was the alternative? Matt Murdock is now a murdering psychopath?

May 29, 2011 8:31:51 GMT -5 Morpheus said:

May 29, 2011 8:11:49 GMT -5 Killshot Caine said:

I hope he does stay dead.It's obvious they don't know what to do with Sentry.

I agree. I just think a writer might come along at some point with an actual plan of what to do with him.




Following Vance's example, I'll list a few recent series.


- Civil War
- ASM: Origin of the Species
- Heroic Age and onwards: Avengers
- Heroic Age and onwards: Invincible Iron Man
- Shadowland
- Kelly's Deadpool
- Aaron's Wolverine
- Aaron's Ghost Rider
- New Avengers during/post SI
- Daken/X-23: Collision
- Silver Surfer mini-series
- Fraction's Thor (pre Mighty # 1-2)
- Ultimates v3
- Mighty Avengers
- Dark Avengers
- Chaos War
- Infinite Crisis
- Blackest Night
- World of New Krypton
- War of the Superman
- Geoff's Green Lantern post Agent Orange

What didn't you like about Invincible Iron Man?

[Morpheus]

Too much talk about Tony's industrial activities, too little action from Bleeding Edge, and the whole thing lasted 9 months, on top of it.

[Strafe Prower]

Outsiders v4
Catwoman v2
Chaos War (Though I did enjoy the Dead Avengers tie-in)
Heroic Age
Dark Reign
Ultimates v1 and v2 (I will probably be the only one of this)

Just a few that spring to mind.

[NexusOfLight]

Jun 8, 2011 4:44:13 GMT -5 devias said:

May 29, 2011 7:43:26 GMT -5 Killshot Caine said:

I agree.I didn't like the possession idea.I liked the idea of Shadowland better before I found out about that.I also didn't like how it ended or how NOTHING happened in the tie-ins.Some of the tie-ins didn't even deal with the actual story.

But what was the alternative? Matt Murdock is now a murdering psychopath?

Quite honestly, yeah. I woulda loved it if that had been the case, because quite honestly that woulda been the perfect logical next step for his character development. His life has always been hectic, and he's come close to losing his mind many times before. Why not write a story where he actually does it. Why not have him finally snap? I would've liked to see how that woulda really went down. I woulda liked to've seen how his supporting cast woulda stepped up an' came together to try and bring him back. I woulda liked to've seen him actually stay like that for a little bit. I would've liked to've seen him develop to the point where he'd come back on his own--as opposed to some crazy demon exorcism making him normal again--and more importantly, I woulda liked to've seen his road to recovery. Shadowland woulda been perfect for that, and I'm pretty sure Diggle knew that from the start, but for whatever reason, he decided to throw a cop out and say, "oh that wasn't really Matt, you can't blame him for anything he did during that." That's where the disappointment came from. That's why I felt so let down because instead of writing another deep and meaningful story like he had been doing since the beginning of his Daredevil run, he wrote a boring, linear, black and white event.